TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Graeme Decarie said:
Ah, Kimmio. You don't know the meaning of fascism. (very few people do.) You use the word to describe something that you emotionally feel is bad. You can't do that. You can't think doing that. To think, you have to use words in their correct meaning.
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Now you've done it. Say goodbye to any free time you thought you had for the next couple of days.
 
Fist Google hit... Fascism: an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.


If the Clintons and Bushes and Obamas were completely - really truly fascist - then the birthers, the tea partiers and the Trumpians would not be allowed out in public. If Obama were a fascist he'd have thrown the Birthers in jail. Meanwhile...for how many years have those with real fascist aspirations tried to label Obama socialist? It's funny...they say socialist, you say fascist... I would say Obama is centre-right by Canadian standards, but Americans have even more freedom to express themselves than Canadians do... Under Stalin, nobody would. (you compared Hillary to Stalin...Trump's desired war on free speech - particularly if it's critical of him, is more like Stalin). How have I got that wrong?
 
There is no universally accepted definition of fascism @Graeme Decarie - it's quite broad - according to Britannica. So much so, that if you agree with Britannica, you may even find that aspects of its broad definition line up with some of your own values - others, not at all. And I don't consider you a fascist. What I am focused on is the element of limiting of cultural liberalism and free expression through authoritarian dictatorship. Clinton, Obama and the Bushes are not that.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Ah, Kimmio. You don't know the meaning of fascism. (very few people do.) You use the word to describe something that you emotionally feel is bad. You can't do that. You can't think doing that. To think, you have to use words in their correct meaning.
As to fascism, Hillary is far the closest one to being a fascist. Trump is too much an egoist to be a fascist.
And, fascism, itself, is a very common sentiment in Canada. Several years ago, the wealthiest man in New Brunswick wrote in his newspaper a statement giving himself a place in government that could be done only by a fascist government. But he and his newspapers didn't know that because they didn't know what fascism meant.
emotionally, you want Hillary to win. To sustain that emotional feeling, you have to ignore all the evidence of what she did and what she supported in eight years in the cabinet. And you do ignore it.
You can't just make emotional decisions - which you are trapped into by your emotional use of words.

Monk's post is interesting and too close to the truth to be comfortable. But he strikes an odd note. He mentions his grandson't birthday without mentioning mine which is almost on us. Monk, how can you expect people to be prepared and save money when they don't know the date of my birthday?
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@Graeme Decarie you're pretty emotional with your use of words too. It's not hard to picture you posting from an underground bunker. :ROFLMAO: (Tell us where you are in "3words"- see thread - and we'll send you an early/ belated birthday present straight to your hermetically sealed fortified hatch-door). That's why I need my meds to prepare for your posts! :p

I don't think Hillary is squeaky clean. I acknowledge and am willing to forgive, personally (forgiveness is part of being Christian, no?) her emails, the guy she's married to, her bad judgment in the past, her political elitism - because she is not perfect but she is not mentally erratic - there are no perfect choices, I just think she's a safer choice for president than Trump, overall - yes, because of her ability to stay emotionally coolheaded, and that's enough considering the alternative (even though I can't vote there - that's up to Americans - but I think that's the best hope). I see no other choice - not to make the world absolutely safe, but safer than under Trump would - but to forgive what she's done or alleged to have done. Justice would not be done in the world by allowing Trump into the Whitehouse because of her past mistakes. Hillary, and a more progressive senate and congress, and with the GOP in decline, at least allows a crack in the window for good changes to begin to happen. There's a non-zero chance that Hillary has learned from experience, including mistakes, and can start to turn things around for the better. If they don't, they don't. But there is no other choice. Trump? F'get abat it. Zero chance. That wise-guy would be a disaster like we've never seen.
 
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God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Maybe it's something like that.

Ironically, someone gave me something with that inscribed on it, as a birthday present, years ago.

However, only Americans can vote so a lot of change in the world, one way or the other, will be dependent on how they vote. We have to accept that, come what may. It's a bit uncomfortable but at least Trump provides some comic relief for now.
 
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"Human wisdom?"

Have you ever heard of imagination taking a rest and going on holiday? There are dependants, determinates and in determinates ... in which I guess we must have faith they will do right without knowing ... thus proving random, or quantum states! As Tiny Tim stated ... God bless us all in our departure ... from good sense! There it is again .. absence, or abstract ... expression of something not there ...

That's it I'm going to get my mind out of here too! Mental pilgrimages count?
 
Michael Moore, who might, after all, have some insight, being in the entertainment business with Drumpf, claims that this all started as a publicity stunt to try to get more money out of an NBC contract...
 
The Britannica got it right, Kimmio. There is wide disagreement about what fascism means - even among scholars.
However, the original fascist was Mussolini. And his definition of fascism, symbolized by the bundle of rods around an axe, was that governments should not be chosen simply by the people, but should offer the right for special groups - like billionaires - to have the right to be represented ( without election) in the government. That is, they would have seats in the legislature just like the elected ones.
In practice, that is what almost elected governments do. The wealthy don't actually get seats. But they routinely meet with national leaders to given them instructions. Hillary is noted for that. It's quite common in Canada.

Where a local baron here in New Brunswick went wrong was to say in his newspaper that he declared himself to be in coalition with the government. Coalition does not mean good friends. It means to be a member of the government - just like the elected ones. He then announced that he was holding conferences across the province with other unelected kiss-ups - like university presidents, chambers of commerce - to plan the province's economic future. This was actually a step further than Mussolini's fascism. Note - those conferences were not acts of public charity. By his own claim, he controlled them as a member of the government.

Hllary has a history of meeting with such people in her government capacity.
She has supported every illegal war the U.S. has fought. She has supported the use of drones (an act of war), trade sanctions (an act of war), torture, special ops assassins, destabilization of elected governments; She has accepted massive payments of corruption. She has agreed to imprisonment of people for 10 years and more without charge or trial. She is associated with every gang of billionaires in the U.S. She, with Obama, has carried on the murderous and thieving policies of Bush that now have the world on the edge of nuclear war.
Most of the American people know that. And they intensely dislike her. She will win, not because of anything she stands for, but because Trump is seen as worse.

And the news media are up to their ears in helping her. notice there is between little and no criticism of any of her platform planks? Notice the concentration on Trump? That's now a coincidence.

No, I don't like her. She (and Trump) together symbolize the crisis the US is in - a crisis that has the potential to destroy the U.S. To say she's the lesser of two evils is irrelevant. If the U.S. is destroyed, it is destroyed. There's really no point to muttering it could have been worse.
 
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