How I hear that - there needs to be safe access to murders otherwise there will be dangerous murders instead.
TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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How I hear that - there needs to be safe access to murders otherwise there will be dangerous murders instead.
I consider abortion to be murder Redbaron. It is the slaughter of innocents. Apparently you think otherwise.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
"Planned Parenthood" - that is why it is not called "Planned Abortion".
Title X Family Planning Funds were never set up to be Family Abortion Planning Funds.
Planned Parenthood has to separate abortion services from all locations that receive the Title X funding.
That does not stop them from moving those abortion services offsite to an entirely different location - does it?
The new regulation still protects low-income people who rely on Title X assistance - no funds will be cut from that program.
Family planning services at federally qualified health centers (FQHC) – outnumber abortion planning centers 20 to 1.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
In the July 1960 edition of The American Journal of Public Health, Dr. Mary Calderone, founder of SIECUS and medical director of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, wrote:
90% of illegal abortions are being done by physicians. Call them what you will, abortionists or anything else, they are still physicians, trained as such… They must do a pretty good job if the death rate is as low as it is… Abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous, because it is being done well by physicians.
She said that thirteen years before abortion became legalized throughout America in Roe v. Wade.
Looking at the problems with taking it from legal to illegal, I think we need to look at it from the other direction. Unregulated clinicics and clinicians are dangerous. If it became illegal, that could happen. I can foresee the risk involved ...could be a doctor...or it could a quack who found something on the internet, then hung a shingle on the door...you never know who you might get!
I think that would be pretty horrible.
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Not likely as some seize of thought is an icon of addiction to passions that displace thought! It is contagious and on this a vast populace is stuck on blind increase of the marketplace ... Bazaar? Seize thought and withhold eM! Now thats OCD or even professional possession ...
I was told when in support of the corporate world to tell the clients nothing .... nor our workmates either ... as nun could stand the truth!
We've outgrown the breech ... a fictitious point of restaurant? Thus that far out myth ...
Lastpointe
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I do agree with who ever said up thread that Family Planning could separate out abortion services to a different but related agency. In many ways it might make things easier to have stand alone abortion spots, like Morgantaller clinics that we have
Women, poor or not, need to be able to access medical advice related to preventing pregnancy or handling it as well as stopping one if that is the choice. But not necessarily in the same spot
In the hospital we had an unusual issue. Women who were admitted with a complication requiring abortion, perhaps a medical condition of the baby or the mother, were admitted to the prenatal floor. It was the spot with the medical and nursing expertise. But they had to carefully place those patients. As most other patients were in hospital because of pregnancy complications but were trying to get a few extra weeks in before a premature birth
A separate floor would have been better but not available
Women, poor or not, need to be able to access medical advice related to preventing pregnancy or handling it as well as stopping one if that is the choice. But not necessarily in the same spot
In the hospital we had an unusual issue. Women who were admitted with a complication requiring abortion, perhaps a medical condition of the baby or the mother, were admitted to the prenatal floor. It was the spot with the medical and nursing expertise. But they had to carefully place those patients. As most other patients were in hospital because of pregnancy complications but were trying to get a few extra weeks in before a premature birth
A separate floor would have been better but not available
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Mifeprex, the brand name for mifepristone, has been used by more than three million women in the United States and has caused 19 deaths, a rate of adverse events that’s lower than that of Viagra.
You don’t think it should be given under any licensed medical supervision?
Ritafee
Is Being Human
I am not overly fond of government license in any supervisory capacity.
Abortion needs to be decriminalized and medicare free - to provide safe access for all who chose whatever they choose.
There is no shortage of education and technology to render safe abortion - political interference is the problem.
For people to base their medical choices on what the state decrees legitimate - not my idea of 'choice'.
Activists that work outside of Government Legislation would always be my choice.
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Not my choice. I think seeking out online instructions is unwise, a big safety risk. I would like to see just activists become just government in all areas where it is unjust - we are not at that point. I think we will always need oversight to prevent fraud, scams, an unsafe medical practices. No matter what legitimate method is chosen for abortion it is necessary to have trained and ethical medical supervision nearby in case there’s an emergency - so that can be seen to immediately.
I think we need just rules and just laws. The rules and laws being for the right reasons (and to speak out against bad laws to change them...that process is ongoing)...or we will have an even madder, mad world, than we already have. Lawlessness is not the equivalent of freedom.
I think we need just rules and just laws. The rules and laws being for the right reasons (and to speak out against bad laws to change them...that process is ongoing)...or we will have an even madder, mad world, than we already have. Lawlessness is not the equivalent of freedom.
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Libertarianism just comes up hollow and foolish. There’s no plan except relying on people to always follow their best instincts and it’ll all just work out if everyone does as they please. No plan for when peoples’ individual freedoms conflict. That doesn’t work, we need just rules with reasonable expectations (which they are not in many ways, now).
If one person says a plot of land is theirs, and another says the same plot of land is theirs...whose land is it, and how is it settled?
If a person wants to call themselves a medical specialist, but in actuality they are just winging it...how the fk is that not unjust? So much could go wrong in the libertarian world, with no legal oversite and intervention (it has to be fair and reasonable, but not non existent). Libertarianism drives me up the wall. It’s so stupid. The only thing we agree on is that the world is corrupt. Beyond that, libertarians offer no solution to it...which would turn into a fragmented systemic nightmare. If you think it’s bad now how different the laws are in different states...libertarianism would only fracture the rules and expectations exponentially.
If one person says a plot of land is theirs, and another says the same plot of land is theirs...whose land is it, and how is it settled?
If a person wants to call themselves a medical specialist, but in actuality they are just winging it...how the fk is that not unjust? So much could go wrong in the libertarian world, with no legal oversite and intervention (it has to be fair and reasonable, but not non existent). Libertarianism drives me up the wall. It’s so stupid. The only thing we agree on is that the world is corrupt. Beyond that, libertarians offer no solution to it...which would turn into a fragmented systemic nightmare. If you think it’s bad now how different the laws are in different states...libertarianism would only fracture the rules and expectations exponentially.
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Dokdo. It hasn't been truly settled yet.
True....what if millions of such property rights conflicts over stakes on small plots of land were going on in every community and across communities? Who would provide the oversight? How could it be agreed upon that one community’s or neighbours conclusion is the correct one. Flaming pitchforks? It’s complicated enough now. Libertarianism is backward thinking and would present a myriad of logistical nightmares.
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Possession is a mystery; lawmakers will say that it is 9/10's possession and thus they have the power of law in their hands until something bad comes up ... and then in a flash ... it wasn't their fault ... it was the alternate ... and thus the schism that forms in subjective-objective divinations ... amongst de vile ones that can't grasp ... like whales they breach and down they goes too!
Here I stand on the bottom side of the world according to my local authorities ... looking up at the rear ranks on the other side of the mass ... and still the thing drifts along through the darkness. Believe me it is out there ... all that occult stuff we fear and don;t know .--- God'said! That's the word ... ABBA'd Nous?
That's patriarchy for yah that was blinded by the maw ... Jae even said his woman distracts him from his grubbing ... women are like that Jae ... a mystery!
The story continues in the hidden essence of men ... shot off in a whisper in the trees ... sometimes mistaken for roadrunners, cuckoos, mockingbirds, or railboids that are murder to snakes ... there are E dics ... in other traditions they come over the hill from far and wide ... just to be possessed!
Mani don know who chi is ... while the globe burns ...
Here I stand on the bottom side of the world according to my local authorities ... looking up at the rear ranks on the other side of the mass ... and still the thing drifts along through the darkness. Believe me it is out there ... all that occult stuff we fear and don;t know .--- God'said! That's the word ... ABBA'd Nous?
That's patriarchy for yah that was blinded by the maw ... Jae even said his woman distracts him from his grubbing ... women are like that Jae ... a mystery!
The story continues in the hidden essence of men ... shot off in a whisper in the trees ... sometimes mistaken for roadrunners, cuckoos, mockingbirds, or railboids that are murder to snakes ... there are E dics ... in other traditions they come over the hill from far and wide ... just to be possessed!
Mani don know who chi is ... while the globe burns ...
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