Thoughts re allegations re Kavanaugh

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A**hole culture fertilized by blind justice as BS?

Can you believe it ...

Tis a profound pit ... those on the heaps can't envision it ...
 
Pinga said:
I am curious what people's thoughts are regarding Kavanaugh.
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I'm thinking that the depth chart for Republican approval must not be all that deep if they can take such a seriously flawed candidate and abandon all reason to confirm him.

I mean, most everybody watching acknowledged that he blew it with his conspiracy rant before the Senate Committee. If we doubted it even for a second we had Kavanaugh himself write an op-ed acknowledging that yes, he did blow it and these are the justifications that explain why I blew it. The man admitted he blew it and he is hoping for some sympathy because of these extenuating circumstances.

Looking at it from an HR perspective and not a criminal trial perspective because the confirmation hearing is definitely the former and not the latter you do not present as fair and balanced if you float an unfounded and unproven conspiracy as the rationale for some public sentiment against you.

And yet, despite that, he was elevated to a position of high power which relies on sober judgement and what we really took away from his comments was that he has a fondness for beer.

That the Republicans did not drop him and move onto another Republican pick suggests that they don't have that deep a well of individuals to choose from.
 
Not unexpected but disappointing

I agree withthethiughtthatthe FBI investigation seemed pretty iffy

However, I have to believe that big newspapers like the Washington Post and New York Times, have a team of investigative reporters on this. How could they not

I suspect in a month or so there will be a great news article outlining all the data found. At that point, he will be charged with perjury and impeached from the Supreme Court for lying to the senate, and the FBI

That is my hope and wish and seems like we just have to wait
 
revjohn said:
That the Republicans did not drop him and move onto another Republican pick suggests that they don't have that deep a well of individuals to choose from.
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This puzzles me, as well. I think their well is plenty deep. Why pick him? Why stick with him?
 
BetteTheRed said:
This puzzles me, as well. I think their well is plenty deep. Why pick him? Why stick with him?
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I think it’s because Trump wants him because of his views on prosecuting a sitting (or maybe even former) president, and because he represents the same kind of boys club misogyny that Trump does. And everybody, most if not all the Republican senators who voted yes, are probably in some big lobbiest/ donor’s debt. It’s the dark money...most likely a big part of the reason.
 
Kimmio said:
I think it’s because Trump wants him
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This.

The only Republican voices that have been willing to speak against Trump are those who have decided to move on and leave politics. Those still in fear losing their nest egg should Trump turn on them.

For a while Senator Graham walked in sync with Senator McCain commenting on when Trump went to far. Since McCain's funeral Graham has become a rather strong Trump supporter.
 
Read an article the other day focusing on how Trump has become a master of who is to be thought of as the victim.
In this situation, men are now the victims according to him....not the women.
Americans are the victims of terrorism caused by immigrants and so on and so on.....
 
Also Trump makes it a point to apologize for everything that Kavanaugh went through and yet he doesn't apologize to Dr. Ford for the way he mimicked her testimony. Absolutely outrageous behavior for any president.
Republicans latched on to the story of mistaken identity when the facts have been proven that when something traumatic happens to someone they will remember the perpetrator if they know them. Much the same way we will remember what we were doing when 911 occurred or when Kenedy was shot but not remember what we had for breakfast etc.....
 
Waterfall said:
Absolutely outrageous behavior for any president.
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Yep, and yet his supporters and much of the Republican base will happily vote for him in 2020 so the Dems really, really need to up their game and put out a candidate who can both fire up their base and also pull in the swing votes. Otherwise, he wins by default.
 
Waterfall said:
Read an article the other day focusing on how Trump has become a master of who is to be thought of as the victim.
In this situation, men are now the victims according to him....not the women.
Americans are the victims of terrorism caused by immigrants and so on and so on.....
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Had the news on and at some point there were 2 Americans discussing this on a Canadian channel. Referring to suburban women voters.
Arguing if this could be off-putting to them, or because they have sons, brothers, husbands etc. they have concerns how their actions might affect their careers.
If you're concerned about the men in your life being accused of rape of sexual assault and how that could affect their careers or other aspects, I think there is a big issue with how the men in your life are being raised.
 
ChemGal said:
Had the news on and at some point there were 2 Americans discussing this on a Canadian channel. Referring to suburban women voters.
Arguing if this could be off-putting to them, or because they have sons, brothers, husbands etc. they have concerns how their actions might affect their careers.
If you're concerned about the men in your life being accused of rape of sexual assault and how that could affect their careers or other aspects, I think there is a big issue with how the men in your life are being raised.
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While it is a concern, percentage wise, there is less chance of a false accusation towards a man than there is for a woman being sexually assaulted.
 
The Republicans had a deep enough pool to choose from. They stuck with Kavanaugh because American politics has become a zero-sum game. There is no win-win situation. There is no compromise. There is no bipartisanship. Everything is "us" vs "them," and "we" have to win or disaster will ensue. Jettisoning Kavanaugh would have been handing a win to the Democrats even if they had someone else to nominate in his place. That would have made "the base" very, very angry. There was also the problem (from a Republican perspective) that to start from scratch with a new nominee would have possibly placed the confirmation hearing and vote past January 3 - which is hugely important because that's the date that the Congress being elected on November 6 will take office, and there's at least a possibility that the Democrats could have control of the Senate by then, making a Supreme Court nomination a very tricky thing, indeed.
 
Mendalla said:
Yep, and yet his supporters and much of the Republican base will happily vote for him in 2020 so the Dems really, really need to up their game and put out a candidate who can both fire up their base and also pull in the swing votes. Otherwise, he wins by default.
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Where's "Dave" when you need him, a fair minded doppleganger may work nicely, lol?
 
Mendalla said:
Yep, and yet his supporters and much of the Republican base will happily vote for him in 2020 so the Dems really, really need to up their game and put out a candidate who can both fire up their base and also pull in the swing votes. Otherwise, he wins by default.
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I'd say that there's at least a 50-50 chance of Trump being re-elected even if the presidential election were this year and not in 2020, and his odds might even be better than that.
 
4 OBSERVATIONS AFTER THE KAVANAUGH SCANDAL:

(1) The North Dakota senator, Heidi Heitkamp was on the fence about Kavanaugh. But when she voted against him, the next poll had her suddenly trailing Republican rival, KevIn Cramer, by 8.7 points.

Heidi Heitkamp Polls: She Trails Kevin Cramer in ND Race | Heavy.com

It will be interesting to see whether her fate indicates a trend for other Democrat senators from states where Trump won.

(2) Here in eastern Washington it seems like Kavanaugh's triumph has sparked a mood of dancing in the streets. I have talked to many people here throughout Kavanaugh's fight and I have found NO ONE who opposes his confirmation. But I'm sure that a very different impression would be created in more liberal eastern Washington.

(3) In the unlikely event that the Dems win both the House and the Senate in November, I still think the chances of Kavanaugh's empeachment are virtually nil. The Dems aren't going to take the Senate by a 2/3 majority, and that is what it would take for empeachment.

(4) When in a discussion about the biggest advantage Canada has over the USA, I always say that the US needs a viable 3rd party like the NDP to encourage more civil political discourse. Many Americans accept all the Dems' criticisms of Trump, but still support him simply because they loathe the Dems even more. We desperately need a viable 3rd party option!
 
Mystic said:
(4) When in a discussion about the biggest advantage Canada has over the USA, I always say that the US needs a viable 3rd party like the NDP to encourage more civil political discourse. Many Americans accept all the Dems' criticisms of Trump, but still support him simply because they loathe the Dems even more. We desperately need a viable 3rd party option!
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That's the sense I have watching from up here North of the border, too. Your two main parties are so entrenched, it almost doesn't matter who does what. A strong third party that can actually stick for the long haul (vs. one-offs like Perot and Nader) would be a real boon to your democracy, I think.
 
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