There are no such things, as saints!

[Luce NDs]

"[L For] There is one God and one ·mediator [intermediary] ·so that human beings can reach God [L between God and human beings], Christ Jesus, who is himself human." - 1 Timothy 2:5 (EXB).

How then can you, Mystic, believe that Mary and the saints also intercede?

Mariah is part of God ... its in the winds ...

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Feel that what @Mystic was getting at is that the entire Bible, not just the four Gospels, was inspired by God. Thus if something is said anywhere in the Bible it is, so to speak, written/spoken by God

Well there is your problem, Jae.
Do you consider yourself rational and guided by a logical perspective? If so, then invoking your deity as a source of inspiration, without demonstrable evidence of its existence, is irrational and lacks a logical foundation. Without evidence, attributing anything to your deity risks misleading the narrative.

Furthermore, the bible you reference contains no direct statements from god or jesus in either the Old or New Testament that sanction sainthood. Any mentions of sainthood come solely from human characters, not the divine. Therefore, claims about divine endorsement of sainthood lack support and amounts to human posturing, regardless of whether the book was 'inspired' by a higher power. The text was written by humans, with all the flaws and desires inherent in humanity.

 

[Luce NDs]

The Strong Men Gods insist that we pray to them so they can prey on the soma for feed, etc. It is sort of a parasitic cycle in a way that allows the saints to be out there, away from it all as in an OBI. People accustomed to excess physical gifts are distracted from the dual essences: 1- emote and 2- the alternate to the emote (sometimes known as (nemesis).

It sometimes comes down to this in the quantum state causing a dell in the quantum field ... an abstract dip! If you are really quiet you might hear thing in the Dell ... farmers? A dell is an attempt at nothing as ONE digs into the physical apparition ... it incarnates bi times ...

May account of Schrodinger's fuzzy particles ... uncertain ... if you get real tiny and look at an atom they too are fuzzy! Additionally they are said to be all that exists of physical materiality! Many are interested in material to cover up because they are somehow shamed by darker powers ... blindmen 3?

Don't look al' ICE! It is all in the way the words emerge (evolve) through the tube ... some are lisped as Pall declared after folly regarding the horse ...

The masses know little about Palls descent ... as a Satyr ... maybe a Jettae searching out a port ...

It is said that a diabolical power temped Jesus regarding temple perspectives and profound wealth ... hard stuff for a spirit to deal in essence!

 

[Mystic]

Post 79 provides scientific proof of Marian miracles at Lourdes, thouogh the skeptical secular medical staff who investigate these miracles often take many years before they are forced to concede this fact. The blind see, advanced incurable cases of multiple sclerosis and congestive heart failure ar instantly cured.
This impressive evdience imples that I should also be asking for the intercession of saints. But as a non-Catholic, I am uncomfortable with that challenge.
Sothe superiority of key aspects of Catholic spirituality forces me to do some soul-searching on why i am so set in my spiritual ways.

 

[Pavlos Maros]

It was ignored because it is off-topic and there is no scientific evidence for Marian miracles at Lourdes, regardless of any YouTube video claiming to provide such evidence. It doesn't.

 

[Luce NDs]

Marian is like the winds ... merrily off there somewhere as coquette to the powers ...

Someone has to bring them down a notch as in a ba ditch where Samis appear ... the elite can't observe them ... so they remain as sour gas. There's a word for that too ... in due time I'll recall ... Miasma ... that's it!

Prepare for the caustic retort ... pre limbic system? Mostly amino acids ... source of RNA, DNA, mRNA etc. as all else mortals cannot unravel ... very complex for those preferring the simple protocol to pass stoic exams ... nothing out of the box?

Powers wouldn't go there ... not bureaucratic enough for them to conflict ove' ... then it get deeper, darker ... right Leon? Its blind love ... not a clue of where it is at ...

 

[chansen]

On the contrary, the quality and quantity of miracles at Lourdes are often far more impressive than most alleged answers to prayer for healing in Evangelical church circles. Watch this video of Mary Maguire's miraculous healing of incurable advanced multiple sclerosis, paying soecial attention to the biblically sound change in her approach that sparks the instantaneous miracle, in which she leaps from her wheelchair, praising God and racing up and down the steps of the basilica:

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Then watch this scientific documentary of the board of secular medical specialists at Lourdes who take several years to gatherall relevant MRIs and medicial tests authenticate the miracles:

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You're trotting out Lourdes again?

There are, that I'm aware, 67 cases of "miracles" attributable to Lourdes. Let's look at the dates of those 67, shall we?

1862 1862 1862 1862 1862 1862 1862 1875 1878 1882
1883 1889 1890 1891 1891 1892 1892 1892 1892 1893
1895 1896 1897 1898 ???? 1900 1901 1901 1904 1904
1904 1905 1905 1907 1907 1908 1908 1910 1910 1911
1924 1930 1937 1937 1938 1943 1945 1947 1947 1947
1948 1948 1950 1950 1950 1950 1952 1952 1953 1954
1958 1959 1963 1970 ???? 1987 1952 2002

I know that's 68

Source: Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles

If anyone has a better source, have at it.

Some of those "healed" claim to be healed more than once, which may account for the number of healings being said to be 69.

If this is the sort of evidence you're hanging your argument on, good luck. We don't even need to go into examples. God is apparently getting tired.

 

[Mystic]

You're trotting out Lourdes again?

There are, that I'm aware, 67 cases of "miracles" attributable to Lourdes. Let's look at the dates of those 67, shall we?

Uh, your research is out of date; there are now 70 medically confirmed Lourdes miracles. The lat est is a num who was instantly miraculously cured of severe spinal demage which had forced her confinement to a wheelchair for many years:

Most of those miraculously healed at Lourdes can't be bothered with time and trouble of gathereing medical proof for the secular panel of sleptical doctors taasked with investigating these claims. For example, Mary Maguire was healed of advanced incurable multiple sclerosis. When she was suddenly and completely healed at the Grotto, she leapt from her wheelchair and raced up and down the basilica steps, loudly expressing her joy to all within earshot:

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[chansen]

Uh, your research is out of date; there are now 70 medically confirmed Lourdes miracles.

That would make it SEVEN since 1970.

Of all the Catholics who have made the pilgrimage to this sacred place where miracles occur, SEVEN unexplained improvements have occurred?

Why does God need people in that place? I thought he was everywhere and could do any thing? Why has the rate of miracles slowed as petitions for healing have obviously increased?

But mostly, why do you continue to shill for these scams? Why are you this evil? What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Mystic]

That would make it SEVEN since 1970.

Of all the Catholics who have made the pilgrimage to this sacred place where miracles occur, SEVEN unexplained improvements have occurred?

lol, as expected, you ignore mu documentation that most Lourdes visitors who experience miracles can't be bothered gathering all their medical records and doctor consultations demanded by the Lourdes investigators.

Why does God need people in that place? I thought he was everywhere and could do any thing? Why has the rate of miracles slowed as petitions for healing have obviously increased?

But mostly, why do you continue to shill for these scams? Why are you this evil? What the hell is wrong with you?

Why don't you have the integrity for an honest historical investigation into Bernadette's experiences at Lourdes that transformed it into a site more visited each year than mecca? You look pretty foolish dismissing this as a scam when you are clueless about the history.

 

[chansen]

lol, as expected, you ignore mu documentation that most Lourdes visitors who experience miracles can't be bothered gathering all their medical records and doctor consultations demanded by the Lourdes investigators.

And you're the one claiming to be laughing.

Do you suggest that the people being "healed" are too lazy to document their recoveries? Does that also mean the Catholic Church doesn't care to show that their holy site and prayer are effective?

I know it will hurt, but stop and think for a minute. These people have the means to cure the incurable, but nah, lets not show others. Let's just show one example, spaced apart every two summer Olympics or so, and keep all other cases to ourselves.

And on top of that, no Catholic doctors are flocking to the area to document it, either. They clearly must not want to actually cure people of anything.

Why don't you have the integrity for an honest historical investigation into Bernadette's experiences at Lourdes that transformed it into a site more visited each year than mecca? You look pretty foolish dismissing this as a scam when you are clueless about the history.

Me foolish? You're a well known charlatan. Only the most gullible even give you the time of day here.

As I showed, you can't even get people to come to your church. The next guy did. Your pomposity is the only legendary thing about you. You have no charisma, no class, and no clue. You're an overeducated idiot, and your ambulance-chasing scams are evil.

Get bent.

 

[Jaebius]

BIBLICAL 3 FOUNDATIONAL TEXTS FOR PRAYING TO SAINTS
(1) Are the righteous dead aware of earthly events? Yes.
"There will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over 99 righteous ones who need no repentance (Luke 15:7)."

(2) The next text has inspired an affirmation of The Apostles' Creed: "I believe in the communion of saints."

"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also set aside every weight and the sin that clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us (Hebrews 12:1)."

It is important to recognize what is not said--these deceased saints do not "precede" us; rather, they are alive and now surround us like spectators in a great arena, cheering us on in our race and sending us aid. in Hebrews the word for "witnesses" always means 'eyewitnesses." The interaction between deceased saints and struggling Christian athletes makes this text a foundational biblical justification for Catholic praying to saints.

(2) Right before the decisive battle of the Maccabean revolt (175-163 BC) between the Jews and the Syrian Greeks, Judas Maccabaeus has a vision of the late high priest Onias III and the prophet Jeremiah in which Judas learns that these 2 saints hold up Israel in fervent intercessory prayer for victory. Jeremiah presents Judas with a "golden sword" as a symbol of imminent victory (2 Maccabees 15:11-16, in the Catholic Bible). Some of Jesus' followers think that Jesus is actually the prophet Jeremiah raised from the dead (Matthew 16:14). But, you say, that incident is not in my Protestant Bible. So what? It's history--and it attests the intercessory power of the prayers of deceased saints.

(3) Thus, we learn from Rev. 6:9-10 that deceased martyrs are well aware of what is transpiring back on Earth and engage in a intercessory prayer for vindication of the persecuted church.

When Protestants argue that praying directly to God is sufficient, Catholics offer 3 responses:
(1) Catholics don't ask the saints to perform miracles for them; they just ask them to offer intercessory prayer in their behalf.
(2) Who booted deceased saints from the corporate Body of Christ? If we ask fellow believers to pray for us, why shouldn't we ask for intercession from deceased saints who lived extraordinarily godly lives and are now closer to God?
(3) One Catholic acquaintance combined his faith in both the power of holy relics and praying to saints with this response to my query: "I went to Italy to the tomb of a saint and asked him to pray for my wife's congestive heart failure and she was cured!" That testimony hurt because I've been praying in vain for years for healing of a close friend who suffers from congestive heart failure.

Praying to saints is indeed a practice that holds meaning for many in the Catholic Church.

The scriptures you've cited reflect a deep belief in the interconnectedness of all believers. Hebrews 12:1 beautifully depicts the "great cloud of witnesses" that surrounds us, inspiring us to persevere. Similarly, the intercessory role highlighted in Revelation underscores a shared conviction that the saints keep participating in the lives of the faithful.

I know that many find comfort in the idea that they can pray to the saints

 

[Luce NDs]

The Loudes of Satyr do keep us laughing about things difficult to believe when people do because of perfect truth is hard to find on a fractured earth ...

Can one make this up out of divers broken ochre? Och man can it be a lie contrived in misbelief?

Consider the och as a bird now gone due to the urge towards stupidity ... and we all appear to be rushing in that direction ... because of if one believes a falsehood we don't have to face the alternate ... sometimes an ogre man due to transliteration of the "c" and "g" in divers traditions that tool the plunge into expressing things that were not previously questioned or investigated adequately to serve a mysterious curiosity ...

After that the escape ... a kind of Exodus ... abstract to say the least ... and then Jettae evolved as another port of foul nature ... alien bum mEire? Gone viral like mRNA! The stoic and fixed that nothing changes do not believe what a viral worm can do to an establishment ... consider what a tyrant can do to a social order! Furthermore ... they were blind to what was coming to them ... consequences ...

Free will without omniscience do not see well all around ... thus that Beta item that come next; folly of gross powers ... itt do come down to that kind of collapse of avarice in a bittern ... you bite for the lore ... you get it, folk! Its all a load ... to be escaped only in essence ...

 

[Mendalla]

And of some relevance, we have a new saint coming. Carlo Acutis was a teenaged web designer who created a site for cataloguing miracles and maintained sites for some Catholic organizations. He died of leukemia in 2006 at 15 and is buried in Assisi, where pilgrims come to his tomb. The second miracle attributed to his intervention was announced in May, which set the stage for his canonization. Interesting insight into the process, if nothing else. Interesting to have a Gen Z saint so early (though he could be argued to be a late millennial, I guess).

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[Luce NDs]

I CON*cocted a tome ... it is devised is sacred linguistics ...as I discovered most people prefer to know nothing and be insensitive to alternate sensations and pain in the other ...

 

[Mystic]

Praying to saints is indeed a practice that holds meaning for many in the Catholic Church.

The scriptures you've cited reflect a deep belief in the interconnectedness of all believers. Hebrews 12:1 beautifully depicts the "great cloud of witnesses" that surrounds us, inspiring us to persevere. Similarly, the intercessory role highlighted in Revelation underscores a shared conviction that the saints keep participating in the lives of the faithful.

I know that many find comfort in the idea that they can pray to the saints

Especially people like my Catholic acquaintance who took his wife to the grave of an Italalian saint and asked him to pray for his wife; and she was instantly heale4d of congestive heart failure.

Or consider the case of my friend Dick who tore the tendons in his knee right before his vacation to Greece and Turkey. He went anyway and scheduled for sugery in Spokane immediately upon his return. He aggravated his injury while climbing the little mount to the Hause if the Virgin Mary near Ephesus.
A Turkish lady saw him limping badly and advised him to pour water from Mary's healing spring obtainable from a spigot by the House. Dick filled up a bottle just to be polite and returned to his hotel. When his wife Mary Ann got tired of his complaints, she asked him, "Why don't you pour the spring water on your knee?" Dick replied, "Why, it's just water; it has no healing efficacy!" She replied, "I know, but what do you have to lose?" So Dick poured the water on his knee. He felt better but attributed thiw to a placebo effect.

After recovering from the anesthetic for his knee surgery in Spokane, he saw his surgeon standing at the foot of his bed with a pale expression on his face.
The surgeon said, "I don't understand it. We have MRIs and other tests on your knee damage, but when I cut your knee open, it was in perfect condition! Even the arthritis was gone!" The surgeon may have feared a malpractice suit. I'll never forget how Dick began his healing testimony in church. He said, "Now I do some things that some of you disapprove of." What he meant is that he maintained a full bar for our weekly card games, which often took place at his house.

 

[Luce NDs]

What if it's ain't virtue and just a bunch of misinformation scattered by the great bulls of power? Realize it is just a stack of word and much of it comes from God knows where so a lot of self examination is required to see what stuff on a stick passe like mustard ...

Yet the powers would like to keep the whe folk stupid for some dark advantage! This regardless of the brainless command to teach my children ... a lot of it by rote as the source of the lecture is from Hannibal itself ... a chimera in the room? If a brain is absent of essence-end ... would the thinking lass as Hagai vanish? Thus out there supporting the OBI and NDE's all in ultimate stretch of space ...

Bull and Canon can make an awesome mess of civil organizations ... kind 've like politicians in the pious environment ... divers? Mentioning the environment ... did you notice that it snowed over the Saudi Desert for the first time in remote history ... all after Trump saaid he would have everything fixed and solid under his hand? Sounds rather wreck less statement to me from someone insensitive to the surrounding! All sealed up in his little waxen Ba'al ...flush wax ... a bit red in the face given what some see in the coming dates ... that's like Timaeus ... a measure of time that is gross ... its something to get over the portion containing all the graceful lyres ...

I was once told by a very rich advertising executive that (Ca) there were no such things as chimera ... but he had yet to peek 'n the shady mire ... where considerable oblivion was being conspired ... falsely it appeared or manifested. Eddy fest ...

 

[Jaebius]

Especially people like my Catholic acquaintance who took his wife to the grave of an Italalian saint and asked him to pray for his wife; and she was instantly heale4d of congestive heart failure.

Or consider the case of my friend Dick who tore the tendons in his knee right before his vacation to Greece and Turkey. He went anyway and scheduled for sugery in Spokane immediately upon his return. He aggravated his injury while climbing the little mount to the Hause if the Virgin Mary near Ephesus.
A Turkish lady saw him limping badly and advised him to pour water from Mary's healing spring obtainable from a spigot by the House. Dick filled up a bottle just to be polite and returned to his hotel. When his wife Mary Ann got tired of his complaints, she asked him, "Why don't you pour the spring water on your knee?" Dick replied, "Why, it's just water; it has no healing efficacy!" She replied, "I know, but what do you have to lose?" So Dick poured the water on his knee. He felt better but attributed thiw to a placebo effect.

After recovering from the anesthetic for his knee surgery in Spokane, he saw his surgeon standing at the foot of his bed with a pale expression on his face.
The surgeon said, "I don't understand it. We have MRIs and other tests on your knee damage, but when I cut your knee open, it was in perfect condition! Even the arthritis was gone!" The surgeon may have feared a malpractice suit. I'll never forget how Dick began his healing testimony in church. He said, "Now I do some things that some of you disapprove of." What he meant is that he maintained a full bar for our weekly card games, which often took place at his house.

Thank you for sharing these powerful testimonies, Mystic. It's incredible to hear how God can heal through such unexpected means. I love hearing stories about God doing such miracles.

Your stories are great reminders that God can use any situation and any person to heal. It's great to hear about God's grace. Let's keep our faith strong.

May God keep blessing you and yours. Glory to Jesus, who's always with us, guiding and comforting us throughout all of life

 

[Mystic]

Thank you for sharing these powerful testimonies, Mystic. It's incredible to hear how God can heal through such unexpected means. I love hearing stories about God doing such miracles.

Your stories are great reminders that God can use any situation and any person to heal. It's great to hear about God's grace. Let's keep our faith strong.

May God keep blessing you and yours. Glory to Jesus, who's always with us, guiding and comforting us throughout all of life

You would be ricchly blessed by the old movie, "The Song of Bernadette" which you can watch for free here:
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Bernadette Soubirous was ridiculed even by her family, persecuted, and threatnened by her community and France in general until her supernatural discovery of the healing spring at Lourdes and the healing miracles that quickly ensued for those who washed in the spring. Jennifer jones won the Academy Award for Best Actress for her role as Berneatee. Millions mow make the pilgrimage to Lourdes annyally, more than the Muslims who travel annually to Mecca!

 

[Waterfall]

You would be ricchly blessed by the old movie, "The Song of Bernadette" which you can watch for free here:
Home ~ VideosArena.com

Bernadette Soubirous was ridiculed even by her family, persecuted, and threatnened by her community and France in general until her supernatural discovery of the healing spring at Lourdes and the healing miracles that quickly ensued for those who washed in the spring. Jennifer jones won the Academy Award for Best Actress for her role as Berneatee. Millions mow make the pilgrimage to Lourdes annyally, more than the Muslims who travel annually to Mecca!

I used to watch it during Easter Holidays when I was young, years ago, and loved it then.