The women divide the plunder ?

Welcome to Wondercafe2!

A community where we discuss, share, and have some fun together. Join today and become a part of it!

Register Log in
You mean who created psychopaths? Musta been some thinking demon ... couldn't have been a person a full emotional capacity ... I'm 85%+ sure ...

Then leaders of all oligarchist organization say I'm insane ... ridiculous semantics? Tacky matter ...

In mythological matter of sol-psyche analysis ... it could be beaugest ... or just bogos ... like that book on A* Theory ... on that area missing in the bum end of the thing ... R' sol?
 
Last edited:
When there is no R'sol ... does Bunging occur. Put a plug in heaven for me ... so I can get out of this place of great question ... sphinx in the san's ... tight due to lack of water ...

The re ordering of the mess goes on ... seminally ...

Did I tell you about the strange story of the neurosurgeon and the leuce in NG instrument ... was a scalp UL! Then that thought cut out ... go into the darkness ...
 
Luce NDs said:
You mean who created psychopaths? Musta been some thinking demon ... couldn't have been a person a full emotional capacity ... I'm 85%+ sure ...

Then leaders of all oligarchist organization say I'm insane ... ridiculous semantics? Tacky matter ...

In mythological matter of sol-psyche analysis ... it could be beaugest ... or just bogos ... like that book on A* Theory ... on that area missing in the bum end of the thing ... R' sol?
Click to expand...
I mean "the boss" was a little bit tyrannical, at least in one account of Genesis. (Puts a snake in the garden to trick his progeny knowing they would be naive enough to fall for it and knowing, beforehand, that they'd be punished for it for many generations to come - kind of psycho.) Look who has thrived under the tyrannical interpretations - and their application in real life - the application of tyranny in real life - and who has not. The tyrants gravitate to the abusive parts of the bible and the would be tyrants have thrived by focusing on its enforcement (with literalism). If all the world is a "workplace" ... ?

Tyranny does not produce good fruit.
 
Last edited:
Northwind said:
I like this thought. I've been skimming this thread with some interest. I have lots of thoughts.

I'm thinking this was part of Jesus' message, that all life has value and none is better than the other. After all, he had female disciples and he treated women as equals. Unfortunately the church and religious groups have used scripture as weapons to keep women and others "in their place." Any attempts to use scripture to tell women (or anyone else) that they are second class and subservient to men is abuse. That's not okay.
Click to expand...

Jesus had female missionaries but his closest missionaries his 12, the apostles, were all men. As was the 13th apostle Matthias, and the 14th apostle Paul. This set a pattern for how things should be arranged in the Church today. There are leadership positions that should be available to women but the pastorate (pastors, ministers, priests) should be comprised solely of men.
 
Jae said:
Jesus had female missionaries but his closest missionaries his 12, the apostles, were all men. As was the 13th apostle Matthias, and the 14th apostle Paul. This set a pattern for how things should be arranged in the Church today. There are leadership positions that should be available to women but the pastorate (pastors, ministers, priests) should be comprised solely of men.
Click to expand...


I respectfully disagree. This "theology" is poisonous
 
Last edited:
Jae said:
Jesus had female missionaries but his closest missionaries his 12, the apostles, were all men. As was the 13th apostle Matthias, and the 14th apostle Paul. This set a pattern for how things should be arranged in the Church today. There are leadership positions that should be available to women but the pastorate (pastors, ministers, priests) should be comprised solely of men.
Click to expand...

the apostles were also all Jews, does that also mean our church leaders should not only be men But Jewish as well? after all Jesus picks the apostles before the birth of the Church so no gentiles allowed in leadership.

and what about Judas Iscariot, Jesus Picked him too, a traitor, so its obvious Jesus did not pick them for there gender or leadership abilities, but characters in fulfilling Gods plan for Jesus.

which really this view is supported by scripture when Jesus says in Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
 
Jae said:
Jesus had female missionaries but his closest missionaries his 12, the apostles, were all men. As was the 13th apostle Matthias, and the 14th apostle Paul. This set a pattern for how things should be arranged in the Church today. There are leadership positions that should be available to women but the pastorate (pastors, ministers, priests) should be comprised solely of men.
Click to expand...

I'm with Northwind here. That is toxic theology.

There is also strong archaeological evidence to suggest that women held positions of leadership in the early Christian church and that those positions of leadership were minimized by the patriarchal culture of the day. This misogyny has, in turn, been extended for centuries by the ongoing patriarchal culture of the modern church. When considered within the context of the ancient Jews Jesus was a pretty radical feminist and my guess is he would be appalled many of the decisions of many contemporary churches.
 
Last edited:
DaisyJane said:
I'm with Northwind here. That is toxic theology.

There is also strong archaeological evidence to suggest that women held positions of leadership in the early Christian church and that those positions of leadership were minimized by the patriarchal culture of the day. This misogyny has, in turn, been extended for centuries by the ongoing patriarchal culture of the modern church. When considered within the context of the ancient Jews Jesus was a pretty radical feminist and my guess is he would be appalled many of the decisions many contemporary churches.
Click to expand...

agreed, I see it as a control issue, and whenever their is control, ist not of God, since Jesus gave us freedom
 
And people who feel the need to control need that over others so they feel worthy. That goes against Jesus' teaching
 
blackbelt1961 said:
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
Click to expand...

Actually blackbelt, this verse is in reference to salvation - all are saved in the same way. It is not addressing leadership roles in the Church.
 
On the Luke thread tomorrow, we will have the story of the women who provided for Jesus & the disciples from their resources. (Luke 8: 1-3)
 
Jae said:
Actually blackbelt, this verse is in reference to salvation - all are saved in the same way. It is not addressing leadership roles in the Church.
Click to expand...


if that message is in reference to salvation and I do agree, then all in Christ are Free to spread the Gospel according to how God has Called them
 
blackbelt1961 said:
if that message is in reference to salvation and I do agree, then all in Christ are Free to spread the Gospel according to how God has Called them
Click to expand...

All should serve as God has called them. Not that that's in that verse - it is speaking of sameness in how people are saved.
 
Jae said:
All should serve as God has called them. Not that that's in that verse.
Click to expand...

but neither is your view on men as leaders, just because the apostles were men, at least my view is supported by Christ character and teachings throughout the gospels, your interpretation is not.

your view is as bad as say Peter was the first pope and the line of succession of popes and authority

its a simple , power grab
 
blackbelt1961 said:
...at least my view is supported by Christ character and teachings throughout the gospels, your interpretation is not.
Click to expand...

So you say. I, of course, disagree. For example, there must have been something in Christ's character and reasoning that led him to choose only men to be his 12. Moreover, male leadership is primary throughout the Scriptures. Yes, there were some women who held some leadership positions, but male leadership was the norm.
 
Or perhaps Jesus did choose the women as disciples and the writers only chose to highlight the men......

Norms change. We don't have slaves. Having slaves was the norm once. People of colour and women can now vote. Breaking another norm thank god.

There is absolutely no place for toxic theology that allows some to think that their having a penis gives them rights to dictate to others.
 
Jae said:
So you say. I, of course, disagree. For example, there must have been something in Christ's character and reasoning that led him to choose only men to be his 12. Moreover, male leadership is primary throughout the Scriptures. Yes, there were some women who held some leadership positions, but male leadership was the norm.
Click to expand...

so its ok to have some woman leadership but not all?

since woman did have leadership positions (which contradicts your view ), what do you feel the ratio should be between men and woman in leadership then?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top