The Revelation of Jesus Christ

[Luce NDs]

If one is under the power versus over running with power all materials will be vaporized by volatile characters ... you see these personalities in places when adequate minds lose it ... because of prejudicial temper ... something was cut loose!

One may obliterate the other and quiet will ensue ... given considerable cooling time ... thermodynamic theory ... extends to the stars as they flame out! Realists cannot relate to this so they are isolated by the gap ah?

A proper ordering of gentile words can assist ... however it will raise some hackles when they believe they will lose the free lunge ... lunch? Fair trade folks ... even exchange ... take some give some ... may be accomplished mysteriously ... from someone observing your inner composition!

Personal myths?

 

[Waterfall]

That is false ---there were 5 raptures already Mentioned in scripture ----Jesus was raptured ----Enoch was Raptured and Elijah was raptured ----Philip was caught up ---and Paul say He was caught up ---to the 3rd heaven the word in the Bible is Caught UP -----snatched away ------
Lexical Summary
harpazó: To seize, snatch, take away by force

Waterfall ------your ignorance of Scripture is showing here ---and again the intellectual mind cannot and will not Grasp Spiritual things ------you cannot grasp it -----the saints who died are first Raptured and those who are alive are then Raptured

From Strong;s Concordance ----

The Catching Up of the Saints

1 Thessalonians 4:17 stands at the center of Christian hope: “After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.”
The term supplies the biblical basis for the doctrine commonly called “the Rapture.” Paul presents the event as:

• Sudden and irresistible—believers are “caught up,” not merely invited.
• Corporate—“together with them,” uniting resurrected and living saints.
• Upward—“in the clouds… in the air,” indicating literal, physical relocation.
• Christ-centered—“to meet the Lord,” emphasizing personal encounter.


Acts 8:39

“The Spirit of the Lord suddenly carried Philip away.”

2 Corinthians 12:2, 4

Paul twice uses the term of being “caught up” to the third heaven and to Paradise.

Yes some churches do believe as you do, that it is about future events.... Called Dispensational Premellennials such as some Baptist groups; Bible churches; latter day Saints, Pentecostal/ Charismatic denominations. Theses groups usually interpret chapters 1-22 literally as events of the future.
While many Roman Catholics and many mainline churches Anglican, Lutheran, focus more on symbolism, the here and now and focusing on who will reign in the future and that God walks amongst us now instead of focusing on when the earth will end.They have a more Preterest/ Historical view.... In other words, events that have already happened in the first century or an historical approach that points to the ultimate hope and victory of Christ....

 

[Waterfall]

There have been over 10 times that many earthquake deaths in the past 7 years. Since the first century, around the time the book of Revelation was written, the number would be incalculable. People survive, rebuild, keep going. It’s always horrible somewhere and okay somewhere else. Somewhere, lives are shattered, somewhere else there’s healing going on - and I’m going to guess that the healing is quieter than the shattering.

Maybe Revelation is always happening somewhere.

Look for the hope and healing....

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

If one is under the power versus over running with power all materials will be vaporized by volatile characters ... you see these personalities in places when adequate minds lose it ... because of prejudicial temper ... something was cut loose!

One may obliterate the other and quiet will ensue ... given considerable cooling time ... thermodynamic theory ... extends to the stars as they flame out! Realists cannot relate to this so they are isolated by the gap ah?

A proper ordering of gentile words can assist ... however it will raise some hackles when they believe they will lose the free lunge ... lunch? Fair trade folks ... even exchange ... take some give some ... may be accomplished mysteriously ... from someone observing your inner composition!

Personal myths?

If this is viewed from a transactional, utilitarian position, is dangerously unfair to those who don’t all have the same capabilities.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

If one is under the power versus over running with power all materials will be vaporized by volatile characters ... you see these personalities in places when adequate minds lose it ... because of prejudicial temper ... something was cut loose!

One may obliterate the other and quiet will ensue ... given considerable cooling time ... thermodynamic theory ... extends to the stars as they flame out! Realists cannot relate to this so they are isolated by the gap ah?

A proper ordering of gentile words can assist ... however it will raise some hackles when they believe they will lose the free lunge ... lunch? Fair trade folks ... even exchange ... take some give some ... may be accomplished mysteriously ... from someone observing your inner composition!

Personal myths?

Edited. Never mind. Probably not necessary commentary.

 

[WhyCzar]

@unsafe What's your judgement on Michael Jackson - Heaven or Hell?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020697657531089031

 

[unsafe]

Yes some churches do believe as you do, that it is about future events.... Called Dispensational Premellennials such as some Baptist groups; Bible churches; latter day Saints, Pentecostal/ Charismatic denominations. Theses groups usually interpret chapters 1-22 literally as events of the future.
While many Roman Catholics and many mainline churches Anglican, Lutheran, focus more on symbolism, the here and now and focusing on who will reign in the future and that God walks amongst us now instead of focusing on when the earth will end.They have a more Preterest/ Historical view.... In other words, events that have already happened in the first century or an historical approach that points to the ultimate hope and victory of Christ....

Waterfall ----God's word does not rely on what man made Religions think -----like you have indicated here -----

Baptist groups; Bible churches; latter day Saints, Pentecostal/ Charismatic denominations. Theses groups usually interpret chapters 1-22 literally as events of the future.
While many Roman Catholics and many mainline churches Anglican, Lutheran, focus more on symbolism, the here and now and focusing on who will reign in the future and that God walks amongst us now instead of focusing on when the earth will end.They have a more Preterest/ Historical view...

So the True Church is God's People called Saints ----and all Saints will go with what God's word says ---who is Jesus ------as The True Church has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who is God and so the true Church is not going to go against what God ---(Jesus who is the word) says in Revelation ----
This Word ---says --is truth ---so there can only be one Truth -----a half truth is not the Truth ----
All these man made Religions are just that man made run by mainly unbelievers who have not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and therefor focus more on symbolism, the here and now and focusing on who will reign in the future and that God walks amongst us now instead of focusing on when the earth will end.
Well here you have the Perfect Example of just what I am saying ------

these man made Religions are going against what Jesus is saying in Revelation and therefor making up their own false Doctrine ---Twisting the scripture cause they don't have the indwelling of the Holy spirit directing them to the Truth -----their making up their OWN TRUTH ----
God does not walk among us NOW -----as Satan is the god of this world ---God allows Satan to be the god of this world until Jesus who is God comes back to knock Satan out of this world ---- God does not walk where Satan is ------and Satan walks among us at this time -----God is in control of what He allows Satan to do here who walks among us -----
That is what Scripture says ------and these Man made churches full of False prophets will find their doom in their end unless they receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ----as per Scripture which is Truth ----

If you or others want to contest this ---give your complaint to God

 

[Waterfall]

Waterfall ----God's word does not rely on what man made Religions think -----like you have indicated here -----

Baptist groups; Bible churches; latter day Saints, Pentecostal/ Charismatic denominations. Theses groups usually interpret chapters 1-22 literally as events of the future.
While many Roman Catholics and many mainline churches Anglican, Lutheran, focus more on symbolism, the here and now and focusing on who will reign in the future and that God walks amongst us now instead of focusing on when the earth will end.They have a more Preterest/ Historical view...

So the True Church is God's People called Saints ----and all Saints will go with what God's word says ---who is Jesus ------as The True Church has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who is God and so the true Church is not going to go against what God ---(Jesus who is the word) says in Revelation ----
This Word ---says --is truth ---so there can only be one Truth -----a half truth is not the Truth ----
All these man made Religions are just that man made run by mainly unbelievers who have not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and therefor focus more on symbolism, the here and now and focusing on who will reign in the future and that God walks amongst us now instead of focusing on when the earth will end.
Well here you have the Perfect Example of just what I am saying ------

these man made Religions are going against what Jesus is saying in Revelation and therefor making up their own false Doctrine ---Twisting the scripture cause they don't have the indwelling of the Holy spirit directing them to the Truth -----their making up their OWN TRUTH ----
God does not walk among us NOW -----as Satan is the god of this world ---God allows Satan to be the god of this world until Jesus who is God comes back to knock Satan out of this world ---- God does not walk where Satan is ------and Satan walks among us at this time -----God is in control of what He allows Satan to do here who walks among us -----
That is what Scripture says ------and these Man made churches full of False prophets will find their doom in their end unless they receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ----as per Scripture which is Truth ----

If you or others want to contest this ---give your complaint to God

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John Nelson Darby ( 1800-1882) who pioneered the interpretation of a pre tribulation rapture, separating the churches destiny from Israel's.
-Darby believed the church would be taken to heaven before a seven year tribulation period.
( the rapture) during which time God would be dealing with Israel.
- he divided Revelation into 3 parts:
1.)The vision of Christ.
Seven churches/ church history ( the way things are.
Future events...the way things shall be.
2.)Judgement not Communion...Jesus will be a judge not a savior.
3.) Israel vs. Church..... A sharp distinction between the church (heavenly) and Israel (an earthly entity with literal territorial promises)
Darby's dispensational view become highly influential in the late 19th century through the Scofield Reference Bible.

Is this close to what you believe about the rapture unsafe? or no?
Just want to learn where you base your beliefs or do you educate yourself about Revelation strictly on you reading the Bible?

 

[unsafe]

@unsafe What's your judgement on Michael Jackson - Heaven or Hell?

I don't have a Judgment to place on Michael J

BUT
If Michael Jackson received Jesus as his Lord and Saviour when he was alive here on this earth -----then his Spirit and Soul are in heaven ------as per scripture

Romans 10:9-10
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9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous—being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation.

If Michael J ----rejected Jesus by his free choice -----Then he is not in heaven --his corrupt Spirit and soul is separated from God and he is in the realm of the dead

Psalms 9:16-17

The Lord has made Himself known;
He executes judgment;
The wicked are trapped by the work of their own hands. Higgaion (meditation) Selah.
17
The wicked will turn to Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead),

Hebrew word for Shoel

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
grave, hell, pit
Or shol {sheh-ole'}; from sha'al; Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- grave, hell, pit.

Who are considered wicked is the question

Hebrew word for Wicked

Lexical Summary
rasha: Wicked, evil, guilty
ungodly, wicked (man), that did wrong

designates a person who is morally wrong, hostile to God’s standards, and liable to divine judgment. Across Scripture it describes both individual offenders and collective societal evil.
Self-reliance and pride – “In his pride the wicked does not seek God”

So where ever Michael is ---it is by his own choice --------

 

[Waterfall]

Repeat

 

[WhyCzar]

If Michael Jackson received Jesus as his Lord and Saviour when he was alive here on this earth

He did not do that. So Hell?

 

[unsafe]

John Nelson Darby ( 1800-1882) who pioneered the interpretation of a pre tribulation rapture,

Waterfall ===this person didn't----pioneer the interpretation of a pre tribulation rapture

the Scripture is very clear on when the Rapture of the Saints happens ----

I rely on the Holy spirit who dwells in me to help me get the Rhema word from the Scripture and who directs me in the interpretation of the scripture -----

If you do your research by the direction of the Holy Spirit which means following the Scripture in an order you will see very clearly what Revelation is all about ---and the time line for the events -----Scripture WILL ALWAYS ANSWER Scripture ---with the Holy Spirit's guidance ===

We are NOW in the Church Age ---so we are in the end times ------then comes the Rapture

What is the Church Age? Where does the Church Age fit in biblical history? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Church Age? Where does the Church Age fit in biblical history? What role does the church have in God’s plan?

www.gotquestions.org

The Church Age is the period of time from Pentecost (Acts 2) to the rapture (foretold in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). It is called the Church Age because it covers the period in which the Church is on earth. It corresponds with the dispensation of Grace.

In prophetic history, it falls between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27; Romans 11).

Jesus predicted the Church Age in Matthew 16:18 when He said, “I will build my church.” Jesus has kept His promise, and His Church has now been growing for almost 2,000 years.

The Church Age will end when God’s people are raptured out of the world and taken to be with the Lord (1 Corinthians 15:51-57).


After the Rapture ----comes the 7 year tribulation ---then comes the 2nd coming of Jesus to defeat Satan WITH ALL HIS RAPTURED SAINTS

AI
Scriptural References:

1 Thessalonians 3:13: "...at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints".

Jude 1:14–15: "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment on all".

Revelation 19:11–14: Describes Jesus coming with saints already with him.

So in order for the Saints to come with Jesus on His 2nd coming to defeat Satan---they have to be in Heaven with Him before the Tribulation ----

Jesus wipes Satan and his tribe out by just a blow of His Breath -----and that is in Revelation

So if research is done by and through the direction of the Holy Spirit ----all the pieces of Scripture fall easily in place ------

All the imagery used in Revelation are revealed in the Old Testament ---
Daniel ---Ezekiel and Zechariah

 

[unsafe]

He did not do that. So Hell?

How do you know Michael didn't receive Jesus as His Lord and Saviour when he was here on this earth -----did he tell you personally he didn't -----

Now your judging him -----unless you know personally he didn't

 

[WhyCzar]

Now your judging him -----unless you know personally he didn't

I am not judging him I am asking you - if he did not say the sinners prayer - the right words - would he go to Hell or Heaven?

If I had a say in his final destination - I would put him right up there with the saints.

Been nice having this bit of a chat with you and if we never meet here on earth @unsafe - I'll see you on the upside.

 

[Waterfall]

Waterfall ===this person didn't----pioneer the interpretation of a pre tribulation rapture

the Scripture is very clear on when the Rapture of the Saints happens ----

I rely on the Holy spirit who dwells in me to help me get the Rhema word from the Scripture and who directs me in the interpretation of the scripture -----

If you do your research by the direction of the Holy Spirit which means following the Scripture in an order you will see very clearly what Revelation is all about ---and the time line for the events -----Scripture WILL ALWAYS ANSWER Scripture ---with the Holy Spirit's guidance ===

We are NOW in the Church Age ---so we are in the end times ------then comes the Rapture

What is the Church Age? Where does the Church Age fit in biblical history? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Church Age? Where does the Church Age fit in biblical history? What role does the church have in God’s plan?

www.gotquestions.org

The Church Age is the period of time from Pentecost (Acts 2) to the rapture (foretold in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). It is called the Church Age because it covers the period in which the Church is on earth. It corresponds with the dispensation of Grace.

In prophetic history, it falls between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27; Romans 11).

Jesus predicted the Church Age in Matthew 16:18 when He said, “I will build my church.” Jesus has kept His promise, and His Church has now been growing for almost 2,000 years.

The Church Age will end when God’s people are raptured out of the world and taken to be with the Lord (1 Corinthians 15:51-57).


After the Rapture ----comes the 7 year tribulation ---then comes the 2nd coming of Jesus to defeat Satan WITH ALL HIS RAPTURED SAINTS

AI
Scriptural References:

1 Thessalonians 3:13: "...at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints".

Jude 1:14–15: "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment on all".

Revelation 19:11–14: Describes Jesus coming with saints already with him.

So in order for the Saints to come with Jesus on His 2nd coming to defeat Satan---they have to be in Heaven with Him before the Tribulation ----

Jesus wipes Satan and his tribe out by just a blow of His Breath -----and that is in Revelation

So if research is done by and through the direction of the Holy Spirit ----all the pieces of Scripture fall easily in place ------

All the imagery used in Revelation are revealed in the Old Testament ---
Daniel ---Ezekiel and Zechariah

Thank-you for how you understand Revelation....I may not believe how you believe but it's good to know more about how you see it.

 

[Waterfall]

I am not judging him I am asking you - if he did not say the sinners prayer - the right words - would he go to Hell or Heaven?

If I had a say in his final destination - I would put him right up there with the saints.

Been nice having this bit of a chat with you and if we never meet here on earth @unsafe - I'll see you on the upside.

I've often wondered if "unrepentant sinners" would be part of this.... "the first will be last and the last will be first" as Jesus tells us? or not at all?
Grace or not?

 

[Luce NDs]

Who will be first up to tell you all about future events that are quantum ... somewhat chancy because everything can be as corrupted as the Milken Group selling junk?

Face it ... as sinners ... we are forced to know nothing for a time as a forced learning curve! Slowly it may come to you ... but if determinate in your position ... maybe not! It is a never ending story down here ... where the fallout collects ... implications are massive!

Work through it like the song ... Chansen?

Some say if caught in the lie ... persist ... lay down the law ... thus it comes down ... like the dirty end of a torch stuck in the river bank ... to attract f-ish ... "ish" has a special spatial position ... out there where the junk bonds can be burned off ... unbounded like? The examples are boundless ... also hard to grasp ... intense functions may be prerequisite!

For those determined to be identified as isolated and unique ... shove it too them ... the wealth is toxic ... they'll find it hard to get off the ground ... like grossing out seabirds with heavy meals ...

 

[unsafe]

if he did not say the sinners prayer

If you have to say a sinners prayer to be saved then that is not Grace -----that is works ----

All you have to do is have the Right Faith ---which is Christ's Faith to be Saved -----Jesus inbirths His Faith in you when you accept God the Father's Drawing on your heart ------you need serious Bible instruction --in my view

 

[Luce NDs]

If you insist on violence than you cannot be gracious ...

Raises the question of: "are quarks rather contrary particles in a chancy system of quantum nature" ... where anything can go off at any instance? Defines uncertainty in the departure!

Play 'M, hold 'M or do they fold 'M on their own ... Bo*as Jae Kin Carriers ... thus Ruth is carried out of sight ... and mortals become ruthless ...

Are those upstanding things dark and mysterious? Unlike Ahab who only had one leg to stand on and it was ivory league ... love all alone and no thought of how to get out of where they were at ...? It is a stick lere ... Lear! Expect some hard ayes ... because of how it is in a difficult spot ... period marks where the new expressions begins ... never ending ...

It is a round about myth, like Mariah going round ... odd Eire?

 

[unsafe]

If I had a say in his final destination - I would put him right up there with the saints.

But you nor I don't have that say ----God does ------ and God gave us His Word Who is Jesus so we could know what to expect in our end by the choice we make all by ourselves -----

So if you decide to make your own choice to Reject God ---and know this ----If you Reject Jesus who is God The Son --then you Reject the Father as the Son and the Father are one by Jesus own admission -----then you have burned your bridges to get into God's Heaven

What makes you think that God should allow you into His Holy Domain ---when you know you were born with a corrupt Nature and know you have a way to correct that Nature and you refuse to do so by your own choice ------????????

I await your reply ----