With considerable care ... because in reality "nothing" is certain ... as it is rendered to a point ... thus the initiation of chaos as a place we could look into the other side ... due reflexion? Sometimes with reflux ...
The Revelation of Jesus Christ
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With considerable care ... because in reality "nothing" is certain ... as it is rendered to a point ... thus the initiation of chaos as a place we could look into the other side ... due reflexion? Sometimes with reflux ...
Did it go by without due note? Such is the state of blindness and unseeing what's there ... opposing collapse and it blows ... Hawking's Nightmare ... black radiance ... that'll soak it up ... what an enigma ... from something you can't see ... an abstraction? It don add up ... unaccountable ...
Its the 'ole thing ... pithy ...
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Not a chance-------
-----Not a chance-------
That's somewhat determinate when it was once said to keep the way clear for more to come on the learning curve ... then for some it ended abruptly ...
Nothing but straight liners ... stabs? The wakening in the morning by that call ...
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My response to Kimmio has nothing to do with what your saying here -------
My response to kimmio comes from this -------Kimmio is dooming her own self -What is it Jesus said -----Let the Dead bury the Dead -------
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"Let the dead bury their own dead" is
a demanding, paradoxical saying of Jesus (Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60)
It implies that those who are "spiritually dead" (not following Christ) should handle physical, earthly matters, while disciples focus on spiritual life
and this
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Matthew 10:14, Luke 9:5, and Mark 6:11.
Jesus instructed his disciples that if a town or house did not welcome them or listen to their message,
they should leave and shake the dust from their feet as a testimony or warning against them.
Sign of Separation:
It was a symbolic gesture indicating a break in fellowship and that the messengers were leaving the responsibility for the rejection with the people who rejected them.
Testimony/Warning:
The act served as a warning to those who rejected the message of the Kingdom of God.
Personal Application:
It is interpreted as permission to move on from rejection with a clear conscience, leaving the judgment to God
I say ----ALL Kimmio wants to do is bash and trash God and His word -----and I am not interested in responding to that ----Period
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Sure just Receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour by and through HIS FAITH------very simple ----your choice -----
God says Choose LIFE -----easy peasy
There are times when I don’t feel a lot of love coming my way, but I know what it is. There are times when maybe I don’t love enough, but I know what it is.
My belief system doesn’t pretend to know everything, or to make me perfect according to others’ expectations, only that love is the essential ingredient that can heal the world. That’s the kind of God I believe in even when that God seems vulnerable, subdued (on vacation?)
To me that means: we don’t have to like everything or everyone. That’s too tall an order in all the complexity and different interests. We “should” be helping each other to sustain life and this planet and making room for everyone to live on it and be content, rather than fighting each other. But love is also standing with those without voices and without power, and pushing back. Not with violence, but also not submitting to bullies. Strength in numbers. Love is not about playing the same brutal game as the powerful though. None of it is easy.
It’s weird - I can see where believers in it are coming from - but I don’t believe in Revelation. That is to say, I think it’s too violent and possibly a vision from an ancient person’s dream that, actually, in the context of lasting peace on earth - doesn’t make sense. It’s vindictive and violent (and mentally ill if experienced as psychosis), and is a reflection of the worst way to settle differences that humans have adopted: war. They say all’s fair in love and war, but actually that’s not really true - war is always unfair. So, though I don’t believe in it (don’t have confidence in it being the right approach), I can see why people think it’s happening. Christendom (large branches of it) and other fundamentalist/ literalists have hastened it - as they have done for past wars) by provoking and promoting wars large and small, out of impatience, greed and lust for power, and it’s screwing over everybody - but minorities first - and then everybody else. And it could be a beautiful world if we put our hearts and minds together on that. That’s what Jesus would do. That’s why I don’t “believe” in it.
My belief system doesn’t pretend to know everything, or to make me perfect according to others’ expectations, only that love is the essential ingredient that can heal the world. That’s the kind of God I believe in even when that God seems vulnerable, subdued (on vacation?)
To me that means: we don’t have to like everything or everyone. That’s too tall an order in all the complexity and different interests. We “should” be helping each other to sustain life and this planet and making room for everyone to live on it and be content, rather than fighting each other. But love is also standing with those without voices and without power, and pushing back. Not with violence, but also not submitting to bullies. Strength in numbers. Love is not about playing the same brutal game as the powerful though. None of it is easy.
It’s weird - I can see where believers in it are coming from - but I don’t believe in Revelation. That is to say, I think it’s too violent and possibly a vision from an ancient person’s dream that, actually, in the context of lasting peace on earth - doesn’t make sense. It’s vindictive and violent (and mentally ill if experienced as psychosis), and is a reflection of the worst way to settle differences that humans have adopted: war. They say all’s fair in love and war, but actually that’s not really true - war is always unfair. So, though I don’t believe in it (don’t have confidence in it being the right approach), I can see why people think it’s happening. Christendom (large branches of it) and other fundamentalist/ literalists have hastened it - as they have done for past wars) by provoking and promoting wars large and small, out of impatience, greed and lust for power, and it’s screwing over everybody - but minorities first - and then everybody else. And it could be a beautiful world if we put our hearts and minds together on that. That’s what Jesus would do. That’s why I don’t “believe” in it.
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That is for the Second Coming where Jesus comes to Defeat Satan with His Saints -----
The Rapture can happen anytime ---the Rapture is imminent----it can happen today --tomorrow ---next week--- next year ---3 years from now etc ----Jesus' resurrection was the only thing that had to happen for the Rapture to take place ------and that is FINISHED
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imminent Rapture holds that Jesus Christ could return at any moment to gather believers, with no required sign or prophetic event preceding it. This belief emphasizes constant readiness, as the return is considered the next event on God's timeline. It is distinct from the Second Coming, which occurs after the Tribulatio
Right after the Rapture ---the 7 year tribulation starts --------
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"No one knows the day or hour" (Matthew 24:36) means that the exact timing of Jesus Christ's return (the Second Coming) is unknown to humanity and even angels, hidden by God the Father alone. It signifies that date-setting is futile and encourages believers to live in constant, watchful readiness rather than predicting the end times.
We’ve built systems to honour the efforts of world peace, after the golden rule and probably initially on a Christian understanding of Jesus because that wasn’t culturally frowned upon when it was established - where every nation can take part - like the UN, but callous leaders and groups want to collapse that too. In Jesus’ name, some of them. That just means more people will die. It’s throwing the baby out with the bath water. Doesn’t “have to” happen, but it seems to be the trajectory these days.
Bent on destruction rather than unity. What happened to beating swords into ploughshares?
Bent on destruction rather than unity. What happened to beating swords into ploughshares?
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There is no ""rapture " according to Jesus and Paul ....when Jesus returns he will be returning to earth and it's air, which is where he has told us His kingdom will be, Just like God met with Moses on Mount Saini with the law and trumpets.....God came down to Moses on earth....
Jesus did not have a message to escape the earth, it was to save it and reign over it, when he comes back....no rapture.
Many believe the tribulation has already happened with the destruction of the Jewish Temple and the siege of Jerusalem and starvation and violence occurred....witnessed by historian Flavious Josephus.
Jesus said that this "generation" would not pass before these things happened...implying a first century fulfilment.
It’s cyclical, it seems to me. By choice. Can we break the cycle?
Some have.....Old Order Mennonites? Others who realize that it does take vigilance and resistance sometimes and speaking out against what's blatantly wrong.
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That is false ---there were 5 raptures already Mentioned in scripture ----Jesus was raptured ----Enoch was Raptured and Elijah was raptured ----Philip was caught up ---and Paul say He was caught up ---to the 3rd heaven the word in the Bible is Caught UP -----snatched away ------
Lexical Summary
harpazó: To seize, snatch, take away by force
Waterfall ------your ignorance of Scripture is showing here ---and again the intellectual mind cannot and will not Grasp Spiritual things ------you cannot grasp it -----the saints who died are first Raptured and those who are alive are then Raptured
From Strong;s Concordance ----
The Catching Up of the Saints
1 Thessalonians 4:17 stands at the center of Christian hope: “After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.”
The term supplies the biblical basis for the doctrine commonly called “the Rapture.” Paul presents the event as:
• Sudden and irresistible—believers are “caught up,” not merely invited.
• Corporate—“together with them,” uniting resurrected and living saints.
• Upward—“in the clouds… in the air,” indicating literal, physical relocation.
• Christ-centered—“to meet the Lord,” emphasizing personal encounter.
Acts 8:39
“The Spirit of the Lord suddenly carried Philip away.”
2 Corinthians 12:2, 4
Paul twice uses the term of being “caught up” to the third heaven and to Paradise.
Speaking out yeah, but when it makes no difference it’s easy to feel like giving up. If literally everybody just gave up fighting or arguing - we’d all probably have to intentionally live like monks to achieve that and I don’t see that being a realistic goal or a way of life most people want or are built for.
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I don't know what others believe -----but believe me ---this 7 year Tribulation is the end of this wicked world ----so the 7 year horror Tribulation couldn't have happened yet cause this wicked world is still in tack ----are you saying this is the NEW JERUSALEM that we are living in right now -------
---I don't think so ------We are in the Church Age NOW ______
NOTICE THE RAPTURE ---at the bottom of the Chart -----it comes first --------and notice the 2nd Coming of Christ at the Bottom -----after the tribulation Period -----
AND NOTICE THE BEGINNING ---of the Tribulation is just the beginning of Sorrows God is Gracious here ----
Notice the last half of the 7 years ----is The GREAT Tribulation ----a Horror like you have never seen is being unleashed ------
the Holy Spirit who RIGHT NOW is Restraining some evil on this earth -----will be taken from this earth and evil personified will be unleashed upon this earth ---
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The primary Bible verse cited regarding the removal of the Holy Spirit's restraining influence from the earth is 2 Thessalonians 2:7, which states that the one who restrains the lawlessness" will do so until he is "taken out of the way".
There are just no emojis for that.
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Revelation escalates from seals (partial judgments) to trumpets/bowls (full wrath).
With humanity refusing to repent even amid plagues (Revelation 9:20-21; 16:9,11).
False prophets and the beast deceive the world (Revelation 13; 19:20)
Not according to this timeline with emphasis on endurance, faithfulness - not escape from hardship.
"I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God,
and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ..."
These endured tribulation to the point of death and are honored in the millennial kingdom.
With humanity refusing to repent even amid plagues (Revelation 9:20-21; 16:9,11).
False prophets and the beast deceive the world (Revelation 13; 19:20)
Not according to this timeline with emphasis on endurance, faithfulness - not escape from hardship.
- Believers endure tribulation (Revelation 7:14; 14:12),
- are called to "come out" of Babylon (Revelation 18:4),
- and await deliverance via rapture/resurrection (implied in Revelation 11–12 types)
- or direct return (Revelation 19–20).
"I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God,
and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ..."
These endured tribulation to the point of death and are honored in the millennial kingdom.
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Nice Try -----BUT ____Well here again ---your ignorance as to what this is referring to is showing ---and again your human intellectual mind cannot grasp the Spiritual -----you won't get it ------
this is not referring to the Rapture of the dead and alive Saints before the tribulation starts ----
This is referring to the Rapture of the 2 witnesses ----Elijah and Moses ---signifying the Law and the prophets who are preaching the Gospel during the Tribulation and are killed and their bodies lay in the street for 3 and a half days for people to see and then God puts life back into them and -------they are Raptured back up to Heaven-----
And read verse 13 ------many people get saved during the tribulation --but then many reject the offer ------
This is that scripture
Revelation 11:11-13
11 But after three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear and panic fell on those who were watching them.12 And the two witnesses heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” Then they ascended into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them.
13 And in that [very] hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell and was destroyed; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake,
and the rest [who survived] were overcome with terror, and they glorified the God of heaven [as they recognized His awesome power].
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There have been over 10 times that many earthquake deaths in the past 7 years. Since the first century, around the time the book of Revelation was written, the number would be incalculable. People survive, rebuild, keep going. It’s always horrible somewhere and okay somewhere else. Somewhere, lives are shattered, somewhere else there’s healing going on - and I’m going to guess that the healing is quieter than the shattering.Nice Try -----BUT ____Well here again ---your ignorance as to what this is referring to is showing ---and again your human intellectual mind cannot grasp the Spiritual -----you won't get it ------
this is not referring to the Rapture of the dead and alive Saints before the tribulation starts ----
This is referring to the Rapture of the 2 witnesses ----Elijah and Moses ---signifying the Law and the prophets who are preaching the Gospel during the Tribulation and are killed and their bodies lay in the street for 3 and a half days for people to see and then God puts life back into them and -------they are Raptured back up to Heaven-----
And read verse 13 ------many people get saved during the tribulation --but then many reject the offer ------
This is that scripture
Revelation 11:11-13
11 But after three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear and panic fell on those who were watching them.
12 And the two witnesses heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” Then they ascended into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them.
13 And in that [very] hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell and was destroyed; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake,
and the rest [who survived] were overcome with terror, and they glorified the God of heaven [as they recognized His awesome power].
Maybe Revelation is always happening somewhere.
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