The Rev. Vosper Again

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Not "in conflict" in the sense of fighting each other. However, the perspective of Oasis on faith does "conflict" with the United Church's, as does the local Moslem mosque's. As do some faith stances of some other Christian denominations. What's the problem with pointing that out?
 
Point taken. I suppose I'm suffering from a bout of Groundhog Day, with the repetitive hyperbole describing ad campaigns by atheist groups using language typically reserved for breaking news alerts on CNN.
 
A motion in regards to the Vosper review is to be considered next week by South East Presbytery. . . stay tuned.
 
Is an IDe (primal power of potential cognizance) an IDe a'L way of initiating a spark of knowledge from an abstract domain?

Considering of course that the IDe is a' Light of a different nature that is yet unseen! Some cognizance is so far beyond us ... even sometimes by the excessively subjective that would overcome the object!

In condensation Liebestraum as cognizance is vaporized essence ... thus lesser dreams are eliminated ... put down as talents in the real undertakings ... joining the forces out there ... yet-I in the dark as the story is laid out as in S'N ... that's Hebrew ambiguity for exterior chaos. Thus two kinds of chaos:
  1. Pure Passion
  2. Pure intelligence
One without the other lacks Ba'aL antes and Ba thieve Chi Ba ... night th'v thieves in the arid Zoans ... in Greek terms, Goans on just below the visible horizon in space as it wends ... all bent to eLLe ...

The story goes on as some deny it as only a grim myth ... but if you can't tell the truth because of forensics ... that the roué ...
 
Oral word circulates about the staid NDs ... as a mire breeze ... causes whispers in the pynes ...

Do simple ideals have loss of complexity? That's love alone ... nun to B'D evil them with decisions ... like the Sweetish girl with odd markings ...
 
Christians will and largely have forgiven Donald Trump for his multiple affairs, his admitted sexual assaults, his lying, his racism, his screwing over of businesspeople who can't afford to fight him for what he owes, and all the other things he has done. But Gretta Vosper denied God.

if you mention Donald Trump to a group of Christians, you will get a mixed response. If you mention Gretta Vosper and what she stands for to the same group, they will act like she is the most evil woman on the planet next to Hillary Clinton.
 
The word " love" is over used. PErsonally, I think that love is something more than " refuse to see someone as an enemy". Disappointing slogan to say " I love Trump". Love the sinner, but hate the sin? It almost sounds like a catchy phrase, Trump style.
 
To use "love" for everything dilutes the word. Just like I don't go around saying I "hate" things all the time, I don't go around "loving" things, either. Not seriously, at least. I have more respect for the word than that.
 
chansen said:
if you mention Donald Trump to a group of Christians, you will get a mixed response. If you mention Gretta Vosper and what she stands for to the same group, they will act like she is the most evil woman on the planet next to Hillary Clinton.
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No hyperbole there. Seriously, chansen, you're getting truly unbalanced over this issue between your posts here and on the United with God thread.
 
Is love a polity in action or just extremes of calm passion ... that can easily turn Ho' stile without a syne of rest?

Syne is the dark unseen power whistling by as a Shadow of epistemology! The lost tree of logic and reason ...

The lost cause is supported by those that would rather maintain you in a state of non-knowing insanity ... opposing genius across that well ... red line as the implosion point.

Thus Muses retreat and recess ... for patent decisions ... you need certification to expound beyond the forensic ... that's a legality ... some are blind to wit because of oppositional faith in staid things as fore sails ... fabrics of balance for the rudder or rude Eire ... following considerations? These concerns go on as "anis"!

But one must know a pile of strange words and you know how the institutionalized are about strange domains ...
 
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Our Moderator has asked us to put into practice what I think is the hardest of Jesus' teachings - to love each other. So I am wondering how her words about Trump will play out in the Vosper decision. Moderators comments slightly edited in italics below;

"Although I have serious misgivings about his/her policies and pronouncements, he/she is a child of God, just like me, so I must treat him/her with dignity, respect, and love."
"Our political/religious diversity is a gift to celebrate. But regardless of our political/religious differences, as Christians, we share a common commitment to live out the gospel values of love and justice."
"Here is where we must lay aside our partisan politics/religious differences and recognize that we need each other’s strength, wisdom, and friendship if we are going to stop the rising tide of hate that threatens to wash over us."
"It is urgent that all people of faith and goodwill unite and muster our collective spiritual resources"
" The love that we are called to embody as followers of Christ demands that we defend the dignity and worth, the well-being and integrity of everyone—"
"The question I am asking myself today is “How can I be a minister of reconciliation in these fractured times?” It’s a question that I challenge you to think about as well."
 
Loving your enemy doesn't necessarily mean you continue to be indiscriminate about who you place in leadership does it?
 
Waterfall said:
Loving your enemy doesn't necessarily mean you continue to be indiscriminate about who you place in leadership does it?
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A) I'd take issue with calling Gretta "the enemy". That's hardly the role she is playing here. Challenger, gadfly, non-conformist. You name it, but enemy is getting a bit too extreme to my eye.

B) That said, you're right. You can be loving and still not accept a person for leadership. Leadership requires more than simply being a loved person.
 
Mendalla said:
A) I'd take issue with calling Gretta "the enemy". That's hardly the role she is playing here. Challenger, gadfly, non-conformist. You name it, but enemy is getting a bit too extreme to my eye.

B) That said, you're right. You can be loving and still not accept a person for leadership. Leadership requires more than simply being a loved person.
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I wasn't particularly focusing on Gretta, as "enemy".
 
revsdd said:
No hyperbole there. Seriously, chansen, you're getting truly unbalanced over this issue between your posts here and on the United with God thread.
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Yes, that's how I need to be painted, but I don't think so.

Gather a random crowd of Christians. Not just from the UCCan, which is how many of you seem to define "Christian". I think it's obvious that there would be a more uniform condemnation of Rev. Vosper than there would be for Donald Trump. Trump *won* a general election on the back of Christians.

You guys have no idea how Christians look to younger generations. You have a massive image problem.
 
Waterfall said:
I wasn't particularly focusing on Gretta, as "enemy".
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You were responding under Inukshuk, who was discussing Vosper in a thread about Vosper, so I think my reading was reasonable. To be honest, my answer applies to Trump (or Harper or whatever other leaders people dislike), too, though.
 
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