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Hi airclean33 your quote ---- Humankind is in three part"s. Flesh , Spirit, and Holy Spirit GOD. Our flesh part, is taken with our sins from us --To dust it was , To dust it shell return. That leaves your spirit with GODS Spirit

This is where you need to look up the word flesh -----this word is not always referring to our body when it talks about the flesh airclean33 ------this word also means worldly thinking -------Carnal thinking -------This is carnal("of the flesh") and proceeds out of the untouched (unchanged) part of us – i.e. what is not transformed by God.

4561. sarx►
Strong's Concordance
sarx: flesh -----4561 (sarks) is generally negative, referring to making decisions (actions)according to self– i.e. done apart from faith(independent from God's in working). Thus what is "of the flesh(carnal)" is by definition displeasing to the Lord – even things that seem"respectable!" In short,flesh generally relates to unaided human effort, i.e. decisions (actions) that originate from self or are empowered by self. This is carnal("of the flesh") and proceeds out of the untouched (unchanged) part of us – i.e. what is not transformed by God.
 
I know I'll regret going there, but why, then, does James tell Christians to confess their sins to one another? Or do you still think he made a mistake and chose the wrong word?
 
unsafe said:
Hi airclean33 your quote ---- Humankind is in three part"s. Flesh , Spirit, and Holy Spirit GOD. Our flesh part, is taken with our sins from us --To dust it was , To dust it shell return. That leaves your spirit with GODS Spirit

This is where you need to look up the word flesh -----this word is not always referring to our body when it talks about the flesh airclean33 ------this word also means worldly thinking -------Carnal thinking -------This is carnal("of the flesh") and proceeds out of the untouched (unchanged) part of us – i.e. what is not transformed by God.

4561. sarx►
Strong's Concordance
sarx: flesh -----4561 (sarks) is generally negative, referring to making decisions (actions)according to self– i.e. done apart from faith(independent from God's in working). Thus what is "of the flesh(carnal)" is by definition displeasing to the Lord – even things that seem"respectable!" In short,flesh generally relates to unaided human effort, i.e. decisions (actions) that originate from self or are empowered by self. This is carnal("of the flesh") and proceeds out of the untouched (unchanged) part of us – i.e. what is not transformed by God.
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--Thank you Sister for your post . I am still trying to understand your meaning. Flesh is not always Flesh??? I agree we have GODS word as a help mate for us. We also have self . That inner part that is of GOD . Humankind calls this the Spirit.I will use that word. But to me it is Life it"s self. When this leaves the body of Flesh , the body of flesh dies. The Spirit or that which is you, is the first part , the Flesh is the second Part, the Holy spirit the third part.Dose it not seem easy to understand , laid this way. Part of GOD, our spirit ,1- Flesh are covering , 2- the outer person that is in the world. 3-The last part , that we are a part of GOD.Gen -2: Read GOD making Adam something is given by GOD. . Luke 1: Read of GOD making the second Adam Jesus" the man. The Christ comes,from GOD" in Heaven. Also The Christ is a part of The Holy Spirit. I hope this is of help , we are getting I believe very deep in the way GOD works.God Bless. airclean33-Gord.
 
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Jae" your part of the post at top . I agree with . We agree on this much at least. Where you seem to miss the fact" that all sin has been taken away from the person that is saved. They are a new being , that is the spirit" part of humankind, cleaned by the Blood of the Lamb.If you are in Christ, and He in you . You have no sin . GOD dose not abide in sin.You should know then . Humankind is in three part"s. Flesh , Spirit, and Holy Spirit GOD. Our flesh part, is taken with our sins from us . To dust it was , To dust it shell return. That leaves your spirit with GODS Spirit . To which GOD gives a new covering or body or new Life. Made not from earth . But from Heaven. --Can you put this with your belief ? If not then you show me your thoughts . Gen 3: 19 , - Mark 15:33-34,- John1:13--Rev 19: 17-18--. John 6: 63--1 cor 15: 44.
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I'll try to get around to answering this some time in the future airclean. First priority in doing research and writing thoughts must go to seminary projects.
 
This is my take on the above subject. And while it's not a direct quote from the Bible it does (in my opinion) portray and support Biblical wisdom.

"Matter is the vehicle for the manifestation of soul on this plane of existence, and soul is the vehicle on a higher plane for the manifestation of spirit, and these three are a trinity synthesised by life, which pervades them all. ​

Through the use of matter the soul unfolds and finds its climax in the soul of man."
- The Tibetan​
 
revsdd said:
I know I'll regret going there, but why, then, does James tell Christians to confess their sins to one another? Or do you still think he made a mistake and chose the wrong word?
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I believe you said , you wanted to stay out of this.
Never the less , Can you tell me who James is talking to in this letter?
 
Hi airclean33 -----will explain the best I can ------

This is where I believe you are not understanding ----according to scripture ----we are 3 parts -----We are first a spirit being -----we possess a soul ---mind --will and emotions ----and we live in a physical body ------we are born with a human spirit away from God ----our Soul---mind --will and emotions are shaped by this world ---your parents ---teachers ---clergy -----our body moves to our thoughts which are worldly and our mind is known as Fleshy thinking ---cause we haven't yet accepted Christ ------We are according to scripture a Natural Man ---------When we accept Christ we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit so now our Spirit is Changed and all our sins from when we were a Natural Man are forgiven ----we are New with a clean slate in God's eyes in our Spirit ----Our Spirit is sinless ---holy ----worthy -----of Heaven in God's eyes ----no sin will ever be imputed on us ever again by God but our Soul ---our thinking is not changed by God --------we are then known in scripture as a Carnal Christian -----clean in Spirit but not in Our Soul --fleshy worldly thinking is untouched by the change in our Spirit -----It becomes our Job to change our worldly teachings from our parents --teachers ----clergy etc -----to God's way of thinking not what we have been taught by the world ---to do this we have to open the Bible God's word and find our how we are to Think anew ----so we can line our old Soul's way of thinking to God's way so our New Spirit and New Soul are in line with each other ---until we do that ---our Spirit and Soul are not in sync ----they are at war with each other and Sin is still present ------our goal is to line up our Spirit --Soul and Body ---God gave us the New Spirit free -----we have to do the work to change our Soul ------

Sins that we Born Again Christians can still commit and if we say we don't do these things at sometime I personally say we deceive ourselves -----------telling a lie ---- hypocrisy-----boasting ----complaining ----causing strife ---backbiting -----lust --jealousy ---anger at others -dishonesty --envy ---complaining --- are a few ----sin distances us from our Relationship with God ---confessing brings us close to God ----

God Bless Brother
 
blackbelt1961 said:

correct , sometimes flesh means the nature of man
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I beleive the difference between the two can be defined as the difference between the physical body and "form" in general. The true dividing line between the formless and matter, they say, is on the mental plane.

Edit to add: oops, had to replace the word 'form' with 'formless' above, it makes sense now. Thoughts are things on the lower mental plane. How we act, how we aspire in our hearts, and how we think in our minds is how we reflect God.
 
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Hi airclean33 ----


1 Corinthians 3GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
You Belong to Christ

3 Brothers and sisters, I couldn’t talk to you as spiritual people but as people still influenced by your corrupt nature. You were infants in your faith in Christ.2 I gave you milk to drink. I didn’t give you solid food because you weren’t ready for it. Even now you aren’t ready for it3 because you’re still influenced by your corrupt nature.
When you are jealous and quarrel among yourselves, aren’t you influenced by your corrupt nature and living by human standards?
 
airclean33 said:
I believe you said , you wanted to stay out of this.
Never the less , Can you tell me who James is talking to in this letter?
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When you want to continue to go through with the nonsense about Christians not having sin I just can't resist. I can accept unsafe's position - which is that Christians can and do sin, but that it no longer represents their basic nature. A summary, I confess, but I think it's more or less what she said. I'm not sure I agree fully with her, but her position is coherent and defensible, as opposed to a blanket statement that Christians don't sin.

As to your question. The epistles of the New Testament from James through Jude are considered general epistles, not addressed to any one person, group or community in particular, but to the Christian community as a whole.
 
If we had no sin, where the latter is said to represent physical matter and form in general, then we would have no reason to be here and would simply disappear. Unless, of course, Airclean is a resurrected Master. That would be different!
 
Hi unsafe --Have patience here --To get Soul of man meaning it comes up .
stion: "What is the human soul?"

Answer: The Bible is not perfectly clear as to the nature of the human soul. But from studying the way the word soul is used in Scripture, we can come to some conclusions. Simply stated, the human soul is the part of a person that is not physical. It is the part of every human being that lasts eternally after the body experiences death. Genesis 35:18 describes the death of Rachel, Jacob’s wife, saying she named her son “as her soul was departing.” From this we know that the soul is different from the body and that it continues to live after physical death.
So I would say " soul is Spirit of man.This is my thoughts.
 
revsdd said:
When you want to continue to go through with the nonsense about Christians not having sin I just can't resist. I can accept unsafe's position - which is that Christians can and do sin, but that it no longer represents their basic nature. A summary, I confess, but I think it's more or less what she said. I'm not sure I agree fully with her, but her position is coherent and defensible, as opposed to a blanket statement that Christians don't sin.

As to your question. The epistles of the New Testament from James through Jude are considered general epistles, not addressed to any one person, group or community in particular, but to the Christian community as a whole.
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This is what my Bible

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:: Greeting.
This made me wonder . Is this a Jew who followed Christ Jesus . Writing to just Israel ? Or a Brother in Christ writing to those who are trying to walk with GOD?
As you have said there can be no mistake. I myself feel he is writing to help those who walk with Christ.Read please rev steven what I wrote to unsafe . About
The spirit of man ---Changed to a child of GOD
The flesh or body--To be taken away with it"s sin--A new Body in the life to come
The Holy Spirit ---GOD In us , with us always
And GOD said let us make man in our image and likeness. So GOD created man in his own image.Male ,and female, He made them. Gen 1:26-28 my interpretation.--The Glory is GODS. Rev Thanks to our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Hi airclean33

KJV Dictionary Definition: soul
soul
SOUL, n.
1. The spiritual, rational and immortal substance in man, which distinguishes him from brutes; that part of man which enables him to think and reason, and which renders him a subject of moral government. The immortality of the soul is a fundamental article of the christian system. Such is the nature of the human soul that it must have a God, an object of supreme affection.


why would Paul say this to Born Again People ------if we were completely free from our old nature ----

This scripture addresses us after we have the Holy Spirit -------babes in Christ ------1 Corinthians 3GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

You Belong to Christ ---
3 Brothers and sisters, I couldn’t talk to you as spiritual people but as people still influenced by your corrupt nature. You were infants in your faith in Christ.
2 I gave you milk to drink. I didn’t give you solid food because you weren’t ready for it. Even now you aren’t ready for it
3 because you’re still influenced by your corrupt nature.
When you are jealous and quarrel among yourselves, aren’t you influenced by your corrupt nature and living by human standards?


airclean33 --- can you honestly say that you have never committed any of these since you have be Born Again ---cause some of them I have seen here on the café -------------these are sins that go against what God's will is for us ---------telling a lie ---- hypocrisy-----boasting ----complaining ----causing strife ---backbiting -----lust --jealousy ---anger at others -dishonesty --envy ---complaining ---quarreling ---- are a few ----

sin distances us from our Relationship with God ---confessing brings us close to God ----That is why James says confess your sins -it is not because God charges them against us as we have been forgiven ---it is to keep our closeness to God ------


God Bless Brother
 
Neo said:
If we had no sin, where the latter is said to represent physical matter and form in general, then we would have no reason to be here and would simply disappear. Unless, of course, Airclean is a resurrected Master. That would be different!
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--Hi Neo -- Nice to see you posting again. I believe GOD has much more in mind Neo. I think we someday will walk His Universe as easy as we cross the street. Master?? LOL if I master the trip for my coffee" in the morning. I will sett an drink it like a god.:)
Lets try that master thing in a prayer'
May the rain always fall around you , and never on you.
May the sun always keep you warm an, brighten your day.
May you never hunger or thirst , in all your days
May the hardest thing to happen in your life be
for the undertaker to try and get that SMILE" off your face.
 
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airclean33 said:
--Hi Neo -- Nice to see you posting again. I believe GOD has much more in mind Neo. I think we someday will walk His Universe as easy as we cross the street. Master?? LOL if I master the trip for my coffee" in the morning. I will sett an drink it like a god.:)
Lets try that master thing in a prayer'
May the rain always fall around you , and never on you.
May the sun always keep you warm an, brighten your day.
May the hardest thing to happen in your life be
for the undertaker to try and get that SMILE" off your face.
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Much more than what? The Soul first experiences the physical universe through us. But as awareness of the Soul increases in us, our personal lives become less important and more about being of service to the Soul. This is the secret of the Crucifixion, known as the Great Renunciation in the east.

And what is the Soul, you ask? I believe it to be the Christ Consciousness of Humanity. The Intermediator between us and God.

But you and I still have a long way to go to get to this point of being in perfect alignment with the Soul. Only a true Master of Wisdom can say that They have gone beyond the "wheel of necessity". The Masters of Wisdom are the Elders, the Teachers of the Race. They have been with us for thousands of years, always providing just the right revelation for just the right time. They work with and for the Christ. They return to our world only because of their love of Humanity and their service to the Plan of Evolution.

The Masters are Those Who are (relatively) perfect and (relatively) without sin.

For us, however, well .. we have a long ways to go as, for instance, we still lose consciousness when we fall sleep at night; we still have to struggle with the every day pains of physical life; we still have to endure the heartbreak of death and loss. We may think we are perfect and sinless but we would only be fooling ourselves. We don't have, for instance, the power to move between the body, mind and spirit at will, as only One without sin could do.
 
Hi unsafe -- you posted--
airclean33 --- can you honestly say that you have never committed any of these since you have be Born Again ---cause some of them I have seen here on the café -------------these are sins that go against what God's will is for us ---------telling a lie ---- hypocrisy-----boasting ----complaining ----causing strife ---backbiting -----lust --jealousy ---anger at others -dishonesty --envy ---complaining ---quarreling ---- are a few ----

sin distances us from our Relationship with God ---confessing brings us close to God ----That is why James says confess your sins -it is not because God charges them against us as we have been forgiven ---it is to keep our closeness to God

Airclean- Post -- So your belief is that the list you have forwarded . Are sins to a born again? That"s is ok unsafe ,if that"s your belief . Mine is not that, The Bible says Christ has take our sins away. We are not under law. You know the verse and chapters as well as I .

I don't believe I have ever said I am perfect unsafe . As you know we are not," We are but striving to be .Even though I admit I am far from perfect. Yet I still say I have no sin, put on me by GOD that is. Have I been corrected by GOD ? Yes many times, But I still think He has great hope in me.
 
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