does it require judgment of right or wrong to build a humane society?
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@BetteTheRed Maybe I say my words that you judge me for because I perceive what someone else says they value as hurting a neighbour. In fact I never get angry unless I feel something said is unjust or supports a belief that does more harm than good. That's always 100% of the reason I ever say any slightly angry words to anyone - and it's usually after they've not only reflected a value I think is wrong or harmful but reflect an attitude about it that I think is wrong and hurtful.
And singling me out with "from your words and communications"...i'm judging you using me as an example. I am not the only person you judge. Just those you disagree with, when you disagree with them. I think we all have that tendency.
And singling me out with "from your words and communications"...i'm judging you using me as an example. I am not the only person you judge. Just those you disagree with, when you disagree with them. I think we all have that tendency.
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Kimmio, you can absolutely count on the fact that I, personally, have never judged you, or your opinions, or your person/lifestyle. I have disagreed with some of your views, usually because we start from different places. I think that's a fair place to be, between people, personally.
I admit that some positions and people seem to bring out some anger in me. I don't know that that is anything other than a personality issue. I also wave my arms around a bunch in person, and talk loudly when excited. Italian is bad...
I admit that some positions and people seem to bring out some anger in me. I don't know that that is anything other than a personality issue. I also wave my arms around a bunch in person, and talk loudly when excited. Italian is bad...
and sometimes the neighbour it's hurting...is me!
what about when we are quick to get angry with certain people who we've disagreed with before. Are we being judgmental/ pre-judging? I think so. I think many of us do it. There are a few people here that will invariably piss me off...in words, on here, at least. From various points of view, too.And I have trouble reading anything they say without feeling "here we go" and almost knowing ahead of time I'm going to disagree with their values. And then degrees of righteous anger bubble to the surface and sometimes spill all over the page.
revsdd
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I'm not overlooking anything, but I do think that you're not completely aware of the background of the discussion which is taking place here.
I would say right off that there are degrees of judgement.
First, I believe that Christians are never to engage in the type of judgement that declares a person's eternal fate. In other words, it is not for us to declare someone hell-bound. A person's eternal destiny is in the hands of God.
However, there are lesser types of judgement which I agree Jesus not only allows but also expects. He does, however, lay down expectations for how we are to engage in that process. Matthew 7:1-2 is illustrative in that respect. It's fair to say that in those verses Jesus does not actually forbid judgement. What he does is suggest that it is our attitude in judgement rather than the action of judging itself that is potentially problematic. "... in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." The broader context of the Sermon on the Mount is important for understanding this passage.
Much of the Sermon on the Mount is directed against those who are wedded to the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law (his words about murder, divorce, etc., etc. - "you have heard that it was said ... but I say to you ...") Jesus also spends a fair chunk of time critiquing what he calls "hypocrites" (prayer, fasting - "don't be like the hypocrites.) He also seems harsh toward those who are primarily concerned with material wealth and status. Realistically, although they are mentioned in the Sermon on the Mount only once, I believe, Jesus is almost certainly speaking about the Pharisees. So, having critiqued those three "attitudes" Jesus moves on to discuss the problem of judgement.
The problem of the Pharisees was that their judgement of others was quite harsh and offered in the wrong spirit. It was a self-righteous type of judgement; a judgement which was offered with the attitude that "we do no wrong - we are beyond judgement, and we claim the right to judge others." Jesus does not actually say that his followers are not to judge, but rather that they are not to judge with that sort of superior, haughty arrogance.
Now, to the crux of the matter here - and the real background of the discussion that's taking place here, which you may not be familiar with. It all falls back on the insistence of a couple of our members that Christians do not sin. It comes back to a statement by one of our members that when there are clear references in the Bible to Christians sinning, well, the biblical author must have chosen the wrong word. In particular it was the absolute refusal of one of our members to accept the clear words of James 3:15-16, written by James to a post-resurrection Christian community, in which he wrote, in discussing faithful prayer, "If he [a faithful member of the community] has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other ..." In context, that passage is about healing - which should interest you - although in the context in which we were discussing it, what was key was James' clear point that some Christians must sin - since he tells us that we are to confess our sins to each other - and the absolute refusal of a couple of our members to accept that Christians ever sin, to the point of one saying that James must have chosen the wrong word. In other words, the Bible can't be right because that doesn't agree with my beliefs.
The thinking seems to be that with the death and resurrection and ascension of Jesus, it is impossible for Christians to sin, because in this new paradigm, we are no longer under law but under grace, as in Romans 6:14-15. With Paul, I would certainly agree that we are now under grace and not law. In the broader teaching of Romans 6, I would also agree that we are dead to sin; that sin is no longer our master. None of that means, however, that sin no longer exists within us. Indeed, if we actually had no sin and could not sin, we wouldn't need grace. We need grace for the very reason that sin will continue to afflict us. Here's where we come back to this discussion of judgement. One of our members, who denies that he has any sin, claims the right in this thread to judge others; indeed, says that Jesus gave him this right. My argument is that he is wrong in his assertion that he has no sin because of his faith in Jesus, and wrong to suggest that this mythical sinless status gives him the right to act in judgement toward others. That is the attitude of the Pharisees (summarized above as "we do no wrong - we are beyond judgement, and we claim the right to judge others.") That is the attitude that virtually the entire Sermon on the Mount was directed against.
So, back to my point on judgement. I am not saying especially that Christians cannot judge. I think we have a clear responsibility to point out ways in which either individuals or society are engaging in ungodly and unethical behaviour. But to start with the premise that we do that because we're totally without sin is problematic and unbiblical and not in keeping with the spirit of Jesus' teaching in Matthew 7:1-5.
i think most of us here are judgmental and it comes out various ways, in various styles of expressing it.
revsdd
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We're all judgemental. From a Christian perspective the real issue is whether our judgemental acts come from a place of humility or from a place of arrogance.
i don't think so. I think "WTF, don't you understand what you're saying?" Is judgmental. It's more or less belittling someone as being stupid, from an arbitrary superior position. At the very least, it's a poor approach and a mild attack. A sincere attempt at clarification would be, "I don't understand what you're saying. It sounds to me like you mean___. Could you clarify?"
I agree. And mine have been both.
revsdd
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Since you didn't quote anything I have no way of knowing what you're responding to.
You may be referring to my words (poorly chosen, I confess) that Jesus in Matthew 7:5 was not referring to judgement but to sin. That was a bad way of putting it. What I should have said was that Jesus' emphasis was not on our act of judging but was rather on the challenge of judging when we are still afflicted with sin.
I would still point out that you lack the essential background in a conversation that goes back weeks and possibly months.
unsafe
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---Just to clarify ---unsafe does not feel we do not sin after we are saved ------Do we still SIN YES --should we still call ourselves sinners No --not in my view -------Grace is in place to help us stay out of sin ----Grace strengthens us in our weaknesses to sin -----
WE DO NOT SIN BECAUSE WE ARE FORCED TO ------WE SIN BECAUSE WE WANT TO -----therefore we can stop the sin from being put into action -------Ask yourselves this -----how does sin come to you ------out of thin air ----particles coming together and making your body move ------does Satan make you sin -----many blame the devil for their actions -------Satan can put a thought in our minds ---what we do with the thought is our personal selves ---cast out the thought ---stay out of sin -----act on the thought commit the act of our thinking ------Our Spirit is renewed only when we accept Christ not our Soul --mind --will --emotions are still in this world -------we have to change our thinking to line up with our new spirit ------until we do that we will commit sin in my view -------3 types of man ---Natural ---Carnal --Spiritual ----our goal is to be Spiritual Man not Carnal -----who is still worldly ----still has that sin nature -----
I am reposting this from page 5 where I had posted it first ----I guess it wasn't read --------
revsdd your quote ------This passage might actually be of use in establishing whether Christians (disciples of Jesus) can still sin, of course, since clearly Jesus says to his disciples "if your brother sins ..." and "if he sins against you seven times in a day ..." Apparently my "brothers" (my fellow disciples) can sin.
Here is the thing ----Jesus is still alive ----the Holy Spirit hadn't come yet ----so the sin you speak of here is still of the Law -----Jesus came to fulfill the Law and brought in Grace -----Here is the thing -------God sent His Son to free us from SIN and Death --------after Jesus dies ---God only sees HIS CHILDREN Spiritually THROUGH HIS SON -------SO here is the thing -------Did Jesus SIN -----NO ----is Jesus Righteous ---Yes -----Is Jesus Holy --YES ----So Now when anyone Accepts Jesus as there Lord and Savior ------the Question becomes -----How does God View that Person ----according to SCRIPTURE we are viewed by God Spiritually ----THROUGH HIS SON --------ALL BLEMISHED ARE GONE IN God's EYES ----we are Sinless ---we are Righteous ---we are Holy in our Spirit -----so Spiritually we are Dead to Sin in God's eyes --AS HIS SON WAS DEAD TO SIN SO ARE WE DEAD TO SIN IN GOD'S EYES -------
This is the thing --------as humans we still have our flesh which is worldly thinking --- After we accept Christ ----so we still have some residue of our OLD SIN NATURE -----WILL We Sin -----YES ------Does God hold that sin against us ------NO ------Do we hold that Sin against ourselves ----Most Do -----as we still see ourselves as ---NOT HOLY ---NOT RIGHTEOUS ----NOT WORTHY ----when God sees us Spiritually through His Son who is Worthy ----Sin free ----Holy ---Righteous ---------etc ------
We need to acknowledge that we still have that old sin residue so we can stay humble and know we need to stay fixed on God and do His will and work to grow in our walk with Christ ----- but should be calling ourselves Sinners ---unholy ---unrighteous --not worthy ---I personally don't think so ------as scripture says ----what a man thinks in his heart so is he --------
Until we realize who we are In Christ and what He accomplished on the Cross for us and accept the New Spiritual Creation we have become ---we will not see ourselves as God sees us Spiritually ----- Viewing us TRHROUGH THE EYES OF HIS SON ---SINLEES ---HOLY --RIGHTEOUS AND WORTHY ----this is the only way we get into Heaven ---sinless ------nothing unclean can enter God's holy place ---so if we continue to see ourselves as Sinners ----unholy ---not worthy and unrighteous then why should we conceive that we should enter God's Holy place after we die being ---fitly dirty rags ----
This I an adding
Jesus died a terrible death to get us into heaven and we want to slap him in the face by calling ourselves what we were taken out of spiritually to get into Heaven ---this makes no sense to me---speak fullness not brokenness -----speak wellness not sickness ---speak strength not weakness ----Speak Grace not the Law ---
We are in the Carnal state ------until we grow to the Spiritual man which is highly unlikely in our life time ---so until then we will Miss the Mark -----WE will still sin ------But God does not impute that sin on us -----therefore if God says I do not see your sin anymore ---then we should follow His will of us not seeing our sins as a hindrance but a stepping stone to call on GOD'S GRACE ----in our weakness to strengthen us and move forward with our walk in Christ -----should we be speaking our weakness or strength to strive to reach our Spiritual man goal ----- what we speak is how we feels about ourselves -----so I speak ----I will not sin today --I will call on God's Grace to strengthen me when I get the thought to miss the mark ----cast out the thought to sin --------Scripture says to cast down strongholds of the mind ---not to entertain them -----Scripture says ---I can do all things through Christ ----so I can stop sinning --------
So know that unsafe sins ----but I do not call myself a sinner nor will I -------Christ lives in me ----and therefore --Galatians 2:20 ---
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Paul Confronts Peter
…19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly
Worth Repeating ----20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me
WE DO NOT SIN BECAUSE WE ARE FORCED TO ------WE SIN BECAUSE WE WANT TO -----therefore we can stop the sin from being put into action -------Ask yourselves this -----how does sin come to you ------out of thin air ----particles coming together and making your body move ------does Satan make you sin -----many blame the devil for their actions -------Satan can put a thought in our minds ---what we do with the thought is our personal selves ---cast out the thought ---stay out of sin -----act on the thought commit the act of our thinking ------Our Spirit is renewed only when we accept Christ not our Soul --mind --will --emotions are still in this world -------we have to change our thinking to line up with our new spirit ------until we do that we will commit sin in my view -------3 types of man ---Natural ---Carnal --Spiritual ----our goal is to be Spiritual Man not Carnal -----who is still worldly ----still has that sin nature -----
I am reposting this from page 5 where I had posted it first ----I guess it wasn't read --------
revsdd your quote ------This passage might actually be of use in establishing whether Christians (disciples of Jesus) can still sin, of course, since clearly Jesus says to his disciples "if your brother sins ..." and "if he sins against you seven times in a day ..." Apparently my "brothers" (my fellow disciples) can sin.
Here is the thing ----Jesus is still alive ----the Holy Spirit hadn't come yet ----so the sin you speak of here is still of the Law -----Jesus came to fulfill the Law and brought in Grace -----Here is the thing -------God sent His Son to free us from SIN and Death --------after Jesus dies ---God only sees HIS CHILDREN Spiritually THROUGH HIS SON -------SO here is the thing -------Did Jesus SIN -----NO ----is Jesus Righteous ---Yes -----Is Jesus Holy --YES ----So Now when anyone Accepts Jesus as there Lord and Savior ------the Question becomes -----How does God View that Person ----according to SCRIPTURE we are viewed by God Spiritually ----THROUGH HIS SON --------ALL BLEMISHED ARE GONE IN God's EYES ----we are Sinless ---we are Righteous ---we are Holy in our Spirit -----so Spiritually we are Dead to Sin in God's eyes --AS HIS SON WAS DEAD TO SIN SO ARE WE DEAD TO SIN IN GOD'S EYES -------
This is the thing --------as humans we still have our flesh which is worldly thinking --- After we accept Christ ----so we still have some residue of our OLD SIN NATURE -----WILL We Sin -----YES ------Does God hold that sin against us ------NO ------Do we hold that Sin against ourselves ----Most Do -----as we still see ourselves as ---NOT HOLY ---NOT RIGHTEOUS ----NOT WORTHY ----when God sees us Spiritually through His Son who is Worthy ----Sin free ----Holy ---Righteous ---------etc ------
We need to acknowledge that we still have that old sin residue so we can stay humble and know we need to stay fixed on God and do His will and work to grow in our walk with Christ ----- but should be calling ourselves Sinners ---unholy ---unrighteous --not worthy ---I personally don't think so ------as scripture says ----what a man thinks in his heart so is he --------
Until we realize who we are In Christ and what He accomplished on the Cross for us and accept the New Spiritual Creation we have become ---we will not see ourselves as God sees us Spiritually ----- Viewing us TRHROUGH THE EYES OF HIS SON ---SINLEES ---HOLY --RIGHTEOUS AND WORTHY ----this is the only way we get into Heaven ---sinless ------nothing unclean can enter God's holy place ---so if we continue to see ourselves as Sinners ----unholy ---not worthy and unrighteous then why should we conceive that we should enter God's Holy place after we die being ---fitly dirty rags ----
This I an adding
Jesus died a terrible death to get us into heaven and we want to slap him in the face by calling ourselves what we were taken out of spiritually to get into Heaven ---this makes no sense to me---speak fullness not brokenness -----speak wellness not sickness ---speak strength not weakness ----Speak Grace not the Law ---
We are in the Carnal state ------until we grow to the Spiritual man which is highly unlikely in our life time ---so until then we will Miss the Mark -----WE will still sin ------But God does not impute that sin on us -----therefore if God says I do not see your sin anymore ---then we should follow His will of us not seeing our sins as a hindrance but a stepping stone to call on GOD'S GRACE ----in our weakness to strengthen us and move forward with our walk in Christ -----should we be speaking our weakness or strength to strive to reach our Spiritual man goal ----- what we speak is how we feels about ourselves -----so I speak ----I will not sin today --I will call on God's Grace to strengthen me when I get the thought to miss the mark ----cast out the thought to sin --------Scripture says to cast down strongholds of the mind ---not to entertain them -----Scripture says ---I can do all things through Christ ----so I can stop sinning --------
So know that unsafe sins ----but I do not call myself a sinner nor will I -------Christ lives in me ----and therefore --Galatians 2:20 ---
Context
Paul Confronts Peter
…19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly
Worth Repeating ----20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me
In degrees of judgement we can use these with degrees of knowledge to know that mortals know little of strange degrees ... and the fact that God is Kohl, or dark ... and confined by kahn'd degrees of warm thought ... or inn'r thought! Something you don't know about what thought was behind an emotional outburst ... mimicking a Big Bang in some earlier heavier time when the smaller population was denser ... and these we follow as role models without separate isolated thought ... Webster defined; intellect?
Consider me borderline to orthodoxy ... or out there and un orthodox! Real people decide to despise alien stuff even far out thoughts ... it is the emotional solution!
Consider me borderline to orthodoxy ... or out there and un orthodox! Real people decide to despise alien stuff even far out thoughts ... it is the emotional solution!
revsdd
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For the sake of brevity, unsafe, I've edited your post down to what the crucial points are for my reply, which is only to say thank you for clarifying your position. I believe I understand what your position is much better now, and actually find myself largely in agreement with it. Sometimes, I confess, your posts are so long and flip so often between bold and normal and italics, etc. that I skim through them and miss some crucial points. That is my sometimes lack of patience showing up. I will also make the point that (as most here know) it was not you who suggested that James made a mistake in writing his letter. Again - thank you for your clarification.
Are flip posts things that you should turn over and look at the otherside .. as face on it is peculiar or queer?
Does give adept some gaity ...
Thus outliers and strange thoughts ripple ... giving dark and unseen waves as gravitas ... it's a Grace as given ... some dark space to look into? There may be A'Moor tuit than you can comprehend ... emotions are like that ... they are generally blind ... but always recall ... nothing is perfect .. not even nothing ... it does have a desire towards completion and God will put something there ... so much a' wrot that if may sprout into a link to continuum and this it goes on ... that which you were not comprehending at that dense time ...
All spirits of dark and white aspiration must pass in and out of the dense situation ... a hard facts ... or function carried out only in a difficult or hard state ... the staff of mu's is thus continuing! The sheave part is chancy ... it may be quantum lye distracted by a lyre ... or a secret chord ... connective?
Complex minds need like amusement ... thus deep spatial entities somewhere in the dark between Ayres ... and the socking thereof that comes off like a blow to the thinking organ ... thus it was gone ...
Does give adept some gaity ...
Thus outliers and strange thoughts ripple ... giving dark and unseen waves as gravitas ... it's a Grace as given ... some dark space to look into? There may be A'Moor tuit than you can comprehend ... emotions are like that ... they are generally blind ... but always recall ... nothing is perfect .. not even nothing ... it does have a desire towards completion and God will put something there ... so much a' wrot that if may sprout into a link to continuum and this it goes on ... that which you were not comprehending at that dense time ...
All spirits of dark and white aspiration must pass in and out of the dense situation ... a hard facts ... or function carried out only in a difficult or hard state ... the staff of mu's is thus continuing! The sheave part is chancy ... it may be quantum lye distracted by a lyre ... or a secret chord ... connective?
Complex minds need like amusement ... thus deep spatial entities somewhere in the dark between Ayres ... and the socking thereof that comes off like a blow to the thinking organ ... thus it was gone ...
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--Yes Unsafe this a way to explain the, no I do not sin statement. The word of God says we are saved through Christ Jesus . Are sins are no more . I believe this for how else could GODS Holy Spirit come into you ", and live with you? Will you make mistakes ? Everyday yes , is it held as sin?Once more we must understand . Can GOD live in sin? --What Is Sin
What Is Sin?
What Does the Bible Say About Sin?
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By Mary Fairchild
For such a small word, a lot is packed into the meaning of sin. The Bible describes sin as the breaking, or transgression, of God's law (1 John 3:4). It is also defined as disobedience or rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7), as well as independence from God. The original translation means "to miss the mark" of God's holy standard of righteousness.
Airclean--
You can see Sin seems to be breaking GODS Laws. Yet we are told we are no longer under the laws. That is those who have accepted Jesus, as The Christ , the one who takes there sins away. The flesh is not saved, it is the spirit that is save . This seems were the mix up happens. Read (The Book of John 6: 63). I also feel my flesh wars on my spirit . So we must be on guard that we don't allow our flesh" to do it"s desire .GOD is with us to help in this area .About death" we will as all humankind do leave this flesh. But the different"s , I believe is GOD will give us a knew Gown ,or body. Made in Heaven.That cannot be destroyed .
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unsafe
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Hi airclean33 ---quote from article -----You can see Sin seems to be breaking GODS Laws ---this is a true statement ------
the confusion comes in when we don't understand that we have a spirit and a soul ------the soul --our mind will and emotions are not made new when we accept Christ ---now ----remember this that Jesus taught ----that if we even think in our mind or visualize in our mind using our imagination the sin we are guilty of sin -----for instance ----we are saved -----our Spirit is Holy ---sinless ---because Christ lives in us as you said ------
so lets say for the sake of this example ---you are a male ---your saved ---have the holy spirit so your a Carnal Christian ----- your mind --still thinks like this world cause only our Spirit is renewed -----you see a female at work -----she gazes at you ---you gaze back ----you go home to your wife ----your mind from time to time reflects back to the lady at work ----the thinking of her increases in your mind now you imagine yourself talking to her ---then you go further in your thoughts of her ---see yourself approaching her ---talking to her now -----it goes on --and on thinking in your mind ---this is lust ----you now have lust in your heart ------your are Born Again but can't stop the sin in your mind ------you have committed adultery in your mind ------you just haven't put the lust into action jet ---but you will if your mind entertains the lust ---we have to lay down the thought ----imagination is a very powerful tool for Satan to use ---born again or not ------unless we know how to resist the thought it will take hold and your body will move toward the sin -------
Matthew 5:28English Standard Version (ESV)
28 But I say to you that(A)everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Until born again people have mastered laying down bad thoughts --we will commit sin ------this does not keep us from heaven -----God does impute this sin on us as we have been freed from the Law of sin and death ----what it does do is make us know we need to stay in God word as we still need to be schooled on how to lay down those bad thoughts and master it ------rely on the Grace provided to strengthen us in our weakness --
We have to be God centered all the time by reading His word to know His will and work to keep our mind clear of strongholds ----
Romans 12:2English Standard Version (ESV)
2 (A)Do not be conformed to this world,[a]but be transformed by(B)the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may(C)discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
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How to Break a Mental Stronghold ------http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/spiritual-growth/172-strongholds-of-the-mind
How to Break a Mental Stronghold
A stronghold in the mind is a spiritual fortress made of wrong thoughts, a fortified dwelling place where demonic forces can hide and operate in power against us. The ideas and thoughts that make up the stronghold are based on lies that challenge the truth of what God has revealed about Himself.
Wrong ideas about God are not automatically eliminated when we are born again.
the confusion comes in when we don't understand that we have a spirit and a soul ------the soul --our mind will and emotions are not made new when we accept Christ ---now ----remember this that Jesus taught ----that if we even think in our mind or visualize in our mind using our imagination the sin we are guilty of sin -----for instance ----we are saved -----our Spirit is Holy ---sinless ---because Christ lives in us as you said ------
so lets say for the sake of this example ---you are a male ---your saved ---have the holy spirit so your a Carnal Christian ----- your mind --still thinks like this world cause only our Spirit is renewed -----you see a female at work -----she gazes at you ---you gaze back ----you go home to your wife ----your mind from time to time reflects back to the lady at work ----the thinking of her increases in your mind now you imagine yourself talking to her ---then you go further in your thoughts of her ---see yourself approaching her ---talking to her now -----it goes on --and on thinking in your mind ---this is lust ----you now have lust in your heart ------your are Born Again but can't stop the sin in your mind ------you have committed adultery in your mind ------you just haven't put the lust into action jet ---but you will if your mind entertains the lust ---we have to lay down the thought ----imagination is a very powerful tool for Satan to use ---born again or not ------unless we know how to resist the thought it will take hold and your body will move toward the sin -------
Matthew 5:28English Standard Version (ESV)
28 But I say to you that(A)everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Until born again people have mastered laying down bad thoughts --we will commit sin ------this does not keep us from heaven -----God does impute this sin on us as we have been freed from the Law of sin and death ----what it does do is make us know we need to stay in God word as we still need to be schooled on how to lay down those bad thoughts and master it ------rely on the Grace provided to strengthen us in our weakness --
We have to be God centered all the time by reading His word to know His will and work to keep our mind clear of strongholds ----
Romans 12:2English Standard Version (ESV)
2 (A)Do not be conformed to this world,[a]but be transformed by(B)the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may(C)discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
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How to Break a Mental Stronghold
A stronghold in the mind is a spiritual fortress made of wrong thoughts, a fortified dwelling place where demonic forces can hide and operate in power against us. The ideas and thoughts that make up the stronghold are based on lies that challenge the truth of what God has revealed about Himself.
Wrong ideas about God are not automatically eliminated when we are born again.