The Church Vs. The State Civil Disobedience

[GeoFee]

Of course. I knew that as a child and could see the results - not just the smog . Falling into the Thames meant a trip to the ER to get your stomach pumped and a bunch of shots to avoid various infections. Increasing pollution controls allowed the river to start healing and it now supports fish!
I see it around me as National and Provincial Parks 'develop' more roads, access points, tourist attractions and fully serviced campgrounds.

Healing the planet is possible!

 

[ChemGal]

Lifestyle choices will not prevent Diabetes. They will affect outcomes once Diabetes takes root. Indigenous peoples lived in harmony with nature and Diabetes was rare. When it did occur, natural and spiritual medicines were employed. Generally, there was no fear of death.

We civilized peoples see nature as raw material to be used for the manufacture of an artificial world. This has been in process for about 500 years. Where has it brought us? Water, air, forests, and lands have been corrupted in service to power and profit.

Human being is at a crossroads. We will chose the way of nature or the way of the machine. One leading to life and the other to death.

You're saying the prevalence of type 1 diabetes was lower in Indigenous peoples before than what it is now?
If so, in the number of people who were ever diagnosed with it in their lifetime, or the number of people living with it?

If it's less rare now because we allow people to live with it instead of dying from it quickly, I'm happy with that outcome.

 

[GeoFee]

If so, in the number of people who were ever diagnosed with it in their lifetime, or the number of people living with it?

I am not able to provide accurate facts in this regard. What I intuit is the early general presence of Diabetes and the increase to epidemic proportions in our time. Why?

 

[Northwind]

I am not able to provide accurate facts in this regard. What I intuit is the early general presence of Diabetes and the increase to epidemic proportions in our time. Why?

You intuit? Some facts to back up intuition would be good.

 

[Ritafee]

You intuit? Some facts to back up intuition would be good.

Perhaps you can provide the facts that negate what George intuits if you doubt his ability to discern the evidentially obvious without them.

 

[Lastpointe]

Well the massive increase in type two diabetes in the USA is connected to the increase in poverty, increase in sugar in food instead of fat and salt, the increase in obesity

during the big worry about cholesterol and heart disease in the 70’s diets were changed to decrease salt and fat. Processed foods were affected. To maintain taste salt and fart were replaced with glucose

it that doesn’t affect childhood type one diabetes

 

[Mendalla]

To maintain taste salt and fart were replaced with glucose

Or worse, high fructose corn syrup (though that now seems to be on the way out after controversy over its use).

 

[Ritafee]

You're saying the prevalence of type 1 diabetes was lower in Indigenous peoples before than what it is now?

"Indigenous peoples lived in harmony with nature and Diabetes was rare. When it did occur, natural and spiritual medicines were employed. Generally, there was no fear of death."- said George

Colonialism Causes Diabetes, and Other Things I Learned at the Indigenous Health Conference

According to new research presented at the first Indigenous Health Conference last week, colonialism causes diabetes. Colonialism is alive and well throughout Canadian society, and the health care system is no exception. In fact, the health care system broadly speaking is a principal way that...

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[ChemGal]

Well the massive increase in type two diabetes in the USA is connected to the increase in poverty, increase in sugar in food instead of fat and salt, the increase in obesity

during the big worry about cholesterol and heart disease in the 70’s diets were changed to decrease salt and fat. Processed foods were affected. To maintain taste salt and fart were replaced with glucose

it that doesn’t affect childhood type one diabetes

It probably doesn't have a strong link with Type 1 diabetes with adult onset either.

 

[ChemGal]

"Indigenous peoples lived in harmony with nature and Diabetes was rare. When it did occur, natural and spiritual medicines were employed. Generally, there was no fear of death."- said George

Colonialism Causes Diabetes, and Other Things I Learned at the Indigenous Health Conference

According to new research presented at the first Indigenous Health Conference last week, colonialism causes diabetes. Colonialism is alive and well throughout Canadian society, and the health care system is no exception. In fact, the health care system broadly speaking is a principal way that...

www.huffingtonpost.ca

There;'s nothing in there about type 1.

 

[Ritafee]

Healing the planet is possible!

Indigenously So!

 

[KayTheCurler]

"Indigenous peoples lived in harmony with nature and Diabetes was rare. When it did occur, natural and spiritual medicines were employed. Generally, there was no fear of death."- said George

Colonialism Causes Diabetes, and Other Things I Learned at the Indigenous Health Conference

According to new research presented at the first Indigenous Health Conference last week, colonialism causes diabetes. Colonialism is alive and well throughout Canadian society, and the health care system is no exception. In fact, the health care system broadly speaking is a principal way that...

www.huffingtonpost.ca

I have some hesitations around the first few words here. Indigenous peoples were spread out over a very large area in the past. A few families using the planet in a particular location didn't cause huge disruptions . Several million in the same area create disasters. One family camping on an island without 'sanitation' leave behind some biodegradable material that soon disappears. An endless stream of campers create problems that render the island unfit for healthy use. Many of our problems come from over population. This was my reason for adopting half my family.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Falling into the Thames meant a trip to the ER to get your stomach pumped and a bunch of shots to avoid various infections.

Dear Goddes, the first time I smelled the River Mersey, would have been '72 or so, the smell would knock you backwards.

Now, it's a pleasant waterway, and yes, like the Thames, has fish again.

 

[Waterfall]

There;'s nothing in there about type 1.

This may be a better and interesting read that may explain how diabetes started to occur in indigenous populations in the 1950's and not before :

Traditions and Diabetes Prevention: A Healthy Path for Native Americans

My work in the area of diabetes prevention began in 2006, as an instructor and lifestyle coach for the Special Diabetes Program for Indians (SDPI) Diabetes Prevention Program, with funding awarded to the Winnebago Tribe of Nebraska. Diabetes is serious. Diabetes is deadly. To see the...

spectrum.diabetesjournals.org

 

[BetteTheRed]

Again, it mainly talks about Type II.

 

[Waterfall]

And here's a good article on the differences of Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes:

Differences between type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes

learn about the differences between type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes. The development of the two types of diabetes are different.

www.diabetescarecommunity.ca

 

[GeoFee]

You intuit? Some facts to back up intuition would be good.

Sorry. Facts elude me.

 

[Luce NDs]

Sorry. Facts elude me.

Truth is a virtual sacred item ... buried given the leadership! Gynns tones ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

That was very helpful, waterfall. Made me wonder if the increase in type I diabetes among indigenous populations might be because of increased intermarriage with the colonizers, who may have had a higher genetic predisposition to type I, possibly because of an earlier conversion from a hunter-gatherer diet to an agricultural one.

 

[Ritafee]

There;'s nothing in there about type 1.

Right. Type 2 diabetes is much more common than type 1. For every person with type 1 diabetes, 20 will have type 2.

Genetic risk factors​

A genetic risk factor, called the "thrifty gene effect",Footnote42 has been hypothesized to increase diabetes rates in the Aboriginal populations. The theory suggests that as a protective response to regular periods of starvation, individuals of Aboriginal descent are genetically predisposed to conserve calories.Footnote6Footnote42Footnote44 Historically, this thrifty gene was beneficial because Aboriginal individuals lived hunter-gatherer lifestyles, and access to foods was not always constant. However, Aboriginal individuals are now purchasing and consuming processed foods that are higher in calories, saturated fats and simple sugars, which increase their risk of obesity and diabetes.Footnote6Footnote44Footnote45 Specific gene variants of the "thrifty gene" found in Oji-Cree people of north-western Ontario have been associated with the early onset of type 2 diabetes.Footnote43 However, this theory has since been questioned, and the debate concerning the relative importance of genetic versus other environmental factors associated with diabetes susceptibility continues.