The Church Vs. The State Civil Disobedience

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Northwind said:
What kind of game are you playing?
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The proper denominator game.

Instead of counting everyone who has been infected in the denominator, in many countries - including the US - only people sick enough to go to the hospital are counted. This is known as selection bias, as people who are sick enough to go to the hospital are more likely to need critical care than patients with mild symptoms.

Further, even when we are testing, depending on the type of tests used and how we are using them, we may only be counting people who are actively infected. This again will lead to an underestimate of the denominator.

What does it mean? It means that the denominator (number of infections) is smaller than it should be, so the numerator (number of deaths) has a lot of power.

In this case, the result is that the infection fatality rate (numerator divided by denominator) reported is higher than it should be.

In other words, by only counting people who go to the hospital, we are overestimating the percentage of infected people who die of COVID-19.

It’s a dangerous message that is causing fear - and it is all driven by a false denominator.

While recognizing the tragedy of every life lost to COVID-19 and other diseases, it will seem as if a higher percentage of COVID-infected people are dying than is actually the case.

Unlike other diseases, there is as yet neither enough nor appropriate testing, making it difficult to assess how many of us were already infected and are thus no longer at risk of infection.

Data from across the US and from other countries about deaths by age, underlying medical conditions, medications being taken at time of death, and other factors could help us understand how COVID-19 behaves at both a population and individual level.

This information will be critical for focusing our preventive efforts on those most at risk.

In the meantime, we need to adjust how we explain case numbers and build better systems for sharing and reporting data.

And at some point, we will return to and rebuild our daily routines, with the new addition of attending to the mental health crisis caused by weeks of fear, isolation and anxiety - much of which could have been palliated by an accurate and clear definition of the denominator.

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www.weforum.org

Why we're overestimating the mortality rate for COVID-19

A lack of adequate testing for COVID-19 means only a proportion of cases are being counted in official statistics - making it seem deadlier than it is.
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Type 2 diabetes accounts for 90 to 95 per cent of diabetes cases, and increasingly in children.

“The high prevalence of type 2 diabetes is alarming and calls for urgent action,” said Dr. Jan Hux, President and CEO, Diabetes Canada.

“Knowing whether you are at risk for diabetes or prediabetes and the understanding there are actions you can take to prevent type 2 diabetes can and will improve the lives of Canadians."

Yes! You can prevent or delay type 2 diabetes with proven, achievable lifestyle changes even if you’re at high risk.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Here, chemgal, correct me and help me with language.

Type 1 more on/off, single gene maybe
Type 2 more epigenetic, disease switched on by a series of events
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Type 1, antibodies that attack a type of cell of the pancreas.
Type 2, the body doesn't respond to insulin well.

Both are due to a series of events, with type 1, the cells that make insulin are actually destroyed though.
 
Ritafee said:
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There, I fixed it for you.

We've been in this for a year. Much more is known about this illness so suggesting death is the only consequence that counts is disingenuous at the very least. I have a friend who got sick last year. She was not sick enough to be hospitalized. Still, she was sick enough. She said it was unlike anything she'd experienced before. Furthermore, she is still getting through the after effects of being sick a year later. She had ongoing lung problems and brain fog among other things. She is around 30 years old and previously healthy. She is only one person. There are more like her.

You can continue this crap that this is all a plot or overblown or whatever. That is a selfish perspective that ignores real suffering.
 
Ritafee said:
Type 2 diabetes accounts for 90 to 95 per cent of diabetes cases, and increasingly in children.

“The high prevalence of type 2 diabetes is alarming and calls for urgent action,” said Dr. Jan Hux, President and CEO, Diabetes Canada.

“Knowing whether you are at risk for diabetes or prediabetes and the understanding there are actions you can take to prevent type 2 diabetes can and will improve the lives of Canadians."
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Quote your source
 
Northwind said:
You can continue this crap that this is all a plot or overblown or whatever. That is a selfish perspective that ignores real suffering.
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And you can continue distorting and discounting information however you want.

That is your own selfish perspective to help you avoid looking at any and all suffering that you cannot bear for some reason to acknowledge as real.
 
Ritafee said:
That is your own selfish perspective to help you avoid looking at any and all suffering that you cannot bear for some reason to acknowledge as real.
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Wrong. Most of us can be concerned about more than one issue at a time.

I suggest you look up the concept of "projection"
 
Detailing ... something that many have no concern with as it is pinned to a carrier for some strange reason that is irrational to us if not understood in entirety.

We won't go there ... as it is like that weak link in the chain reaction! Essence of generation ... bleus aye ... that's not none ...
 
ChemGal said:
The type of diabetes matters a fair bit. Also someone with type 1 diabetes is not going to do well by just focusing on their diet, they need medication.
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Medication is one element in the experience of Diabetes and other diseases. Lifestyle is another. Lifestyle is often a precursor to disease.
 
GeoFee said:
Medication is one element in the experience of Diabetes and other diseases. Lifestyle is another. Lifestyle is often a precursor to disease.
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But not the only one. People who are in relatively good health and have relatively healthy lifestyles still get diabetes, cancer, etc. Our genes and environmental factors beyond our control come into play, too. There's is really no such things as an illness which is purely caused by lifestyle as I pointed out upthread. People with unhealthy lifestyles sometimes live to a ripe old age. There are even a few smokers who never get COPD or cancer.

Speaking as a type 2 diabetic, I controlled it successfully for like 5 years via lifestyle, diet and exercise, before having to start taking Metformin. I am not a lazy, obese person who consumes tons of sugar. I eat very little sugar or processed food. My BMI is overweight but nowhere near obese. I exercise almost daily, generally 5-6 days a week. It is simply not enough anymore. Lifestyle is one treatment, not the whole answer.
 
There is nothing loving about telling someone with a disease that it is 'because they caused it themselves'. There are many people with COPD who have never smoked. There are many people who smoked but whose disease was actually caused by something else. I had this discussion with a very qualified and experienced pulmonologist who rattled off a list of other culprits in the disease. One of them was 'living in London in the '50's and breathing London smog during childhood'.
 
KayTheCurler said:
One of them was 'living in London in the '50's and breathing London smog during childhood'.
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So the industrial revolution contributed to the increase of disease?

Our decisions as human beings bring consequences. Our decision to become masters of creation has led us to we are now. We will decide to change our ways or we will perish. I hear many voices pointing to the necessity of that change. The majority of persons of our Western civilization prefer not to see what is actually happening. These are immersed in the world of advertising (propaganda), which has turned them from citizens to consumers.
 
ChemGal said:
What lifestyle choices should one do to avoid type 1 diabetes?
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Lifestyle choices will not prevent Diabetes. They will affect outcomes once Diabetes takes root. Indigenous peoples lived in harmony with nature and Diabetes was rare. When it did occur, natural and spiritual medicines were employed. Generally, there was no fear of death.

We civilized peoples see nature as raw material to be used for the manufacture of an artificial world. This has been in process for about 500 years. Where has it brought us? Water, air, forests, and lands have been corrupted in service to power and profit.

Human being is at a crossroads. We will chose the way of nature or the way of the machine. One leading to life and the other to death.
 
GeoFee said:
So the industrial revolution contributed to the increase of disease?
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Of course. I knew that as a child and could see the results - not just the smog . Falling into the Thames meant a trip to the ER to get your stomach pumped and a bunch of shots to avoid various infections. Increasing pollution controls allowed the river to start healing and it now supports fish!
I see it around me as National and Provincial Parks 'develop' more roads, access points, tourist attractions and fully serviced campgrounds.
 
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