The Church Vs. The State Civil Disobedience

[Ritafee]

COVID?

With Diabetes?

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One in three Canadians is living with diabetes or ...

Complications related to diabetes are serious and can be life-threatening. Annually, people living with diabetes account for:

• 30 per cent of strokes,
• 40 per cent of heart attacks,
• 50 per cent of kidney failure requiring dialysis and
• 70 per cent of non-traumatic amputations in Canada each year.

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[GeoFee]

Funding world-leading Canadian research to improve treatments and find a cure.

Perhaps we should first look at the cause of diabetes and those factors which provoke risk for persons with diabetes. Barbara did her Doctoral Research into the experience of Diabetes. For some whom she interviewed Insulin was the remedy. Barbara noticed that Insulin is one factor in the treatment of Diabetes. The key factor in living well with diabetes is rigorous diet. This can be challenging for many persons. Barbara, in her conclusions made clear that following a rigorous diet brings benefit. She also made clear that once in a while the diet should be abandoned. Say you are at a Wedding or some other such celebration. Let yourself enjoy the feast. Then, tomorrow, get back to the diet.

I suspect the treatment of any disease requires personal discipline.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

I suspect the treatment of any disease requires personal discipline.

Yes, like adhering to distancing, mask wearing and reducing your radius of activity for Covid.

 

[GeoFee]

Yes, like adhering to distancing, mask wearing and reducing your radius of activity for Covid.

Handwashing?

 

[BetteTheRed]

Car crash? Cancer? Murder? Suicide? COVID?

Actually, I don't know where I got that number from last night. I think I must have read it somewhere and not bothered to do my own math.

Of COVID-19, 1 in 1700 Canadians have died. That's still a very awful number.

 

[Ritafee]

Of COVID-19, 1 in 1700 Canadians have died. That's still a very awful number.

1 divided by 1700 x 100 = 0.05% of Canadians have died with/of Covid-19

It's pure bulls**t. And speaking of a 99% survival rate as a blanket statement after a year of this is ridiculous.

I stand corrected 99.95% survival rate if I use Bette's numbers.

 

[Northwind]

I stand corrected 99.95% survival rate if I use Bette's numbers.

For what age group? People in their 20's?

 

[BetteTheRed]

No, you can't use my numbers. They are the death rate of the population in total. Not the death rate in terms of infections.

The bottom line is that some 23,000 Canadians have died thus far of this disease. That is a not insignificant number. It is a full 1/3 of the number of people who died of cancer. It's half as many people who died of heart disease. It's 4 times as many people who die yearly of Alzheimer's.

I don't understand how anyone can dismiss all this death as.... a conspiracy theory? What about the home in Barrie where half the residents died? Is this nothing to you? Are these numbers meaningless? Can you count, FFS?

 

[Northwind]

No, you can't use my numbers. They are the death rate of the population in total. Not the death rate in terms of infections.

Thanks for clarifying. I was trying to find some more nuance numbers for this discussion. For what it's worth. I've seen something that breaks the numbers down by age. Of course I can't find it right now. And then there's the numbers of people whose lives have been profoundly affected by the illness.

 

[Ritafee]

No, you can't use my numbers.

Why not?

 

[BetteTheRed]

Because you are using them inaccurately.

23,000 or so Canadians have died. I divided that number by the total population to get the percentage of people in Canada who have died of COVID.

That is NOT the percentage of people who survive the disease. Because the whole population has not been infected.

If you want to use numbers, use generally accepted descriptions of numbers, from generally accepted stats sites. Mine came from two sources: Coronavirus Update (Live): 125,403,526 Cases and 2,755,867 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer, for COVID stats, Statistics Canada for mortality stats 2020.

 

[BetteTheRed]

So, worldwide, the mortality rate from COVID 19 has been 2% of infected people. That's a lot of people.

 

[Ritafee]

So, worldwide, the mortality rate from COVID 19 has been 2% of infected people. That's a lot of people.

2% of counted as infected people. What about the rest of the people that may have already had it but were not counted.

 

[Northwind]

2% of counted as infected people. What about the rest of the people that may have already had it but were not counted.

What kind of game are you playing?

 

[ChemGal]

Perhaps we should first look at the cause of diabetes and those factors which provoke risk for persons with diabetes. Barbara did her Doctoral Research into the experience of Diabetes. For some whom she interviewed Insulin was the remedy. Barbara noticed that Insulin is one factor in the treatment of Diabetes. The key factor in living well with diabetes is rigorous diet. This can be challenging for many persons. Barbara, in her conclusions made clear that following a rigorous diet brings benefit. She also made clear that once in a while the diet should be abandoned. Say you are at a Wedding or some other such celebration. Let yourself enjoy the feast. Then, tomorrow, get back to the diet.

I suspect the treatment of any disease requires personal discipline.

The type of diabetes matters a fair bit. Also someone with type 1 diabetes is not going to do well by just focusing on their diet, they need medication.

 

[BetteTheRed]

The type of diabetes matters a fair bit. Also someone with type 1 diabetes is not going to do well by just focusing on their diet, they need medication.

Of course, because there's usually a genetic predisposition to it. People died of diabetes, historically, in pretty significant numbers. Refined sugars certainly accelerated the problem, but it's not new, and the genetic miscoding is there.

 

[ChemGal]

The numbers who are going to have long term, serious effects from COVID are going to outweigh the deaths by a pretty good factor. I keep seeing about 1/3 who were infected, I suspect that may skew a bit high, but even 20% is going to be a lot of people.

 

[Mendalla]

Of course, because there's usually a genetic predisposition to it. People died of diabetes, historically, in pretty significant numbers. Refined sugars certainly accelerated the problem, but it's not new, and the genetic miscoding is there.

My gut feeling is there must be a genetic component to insulin resistance (type 2) as well. I know people who fit the classic profile for type 2 (obese, inactive) but their sugars are fine and people who don't fit the classic profile who have it.

 

[ChemGal]

Of course, because there's usually a genetic predisposition to it. People died of diabetes, historically, in pretty significant numbers. Refined sugars certainly accelerated the problem, but it's not new, and the genetic miscoding is there.

Type 1 diabetes isn't a genetic disorder. Agreed on the genetic predisposition, but I'm not aware of any that are considered to be a "miscode". There are genetic types of diabetes, but less common.

 

[BetteTheRed]

My gut feeling is there must be a genetic component to insulin resistance (type 2) as well. I know people who fit the classic profile for type 2 (obese, inactive) but their sugars are fine and people who don't fit the classic profile who have it.

Here, chemgal, correct me and help me with language.

Type 1 more on/off, single gene maybe
Type 2 more epigenetic, disease switched on by a series of events