The Church Vs. The State Civil Disobedience

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Northwind said:
f you were actually in my position and had chosen to avoid diagnosis and treatment, you'd likely be dead or very sick right now.
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It is hard to know what your position was ... If I have cancer and the cancer presents with symptoms that are too hard for me to ignore or manage ... I would probably go to a doctor as a very 'sick person' ... I would want to know my options from there and as I said I suspect that I would not choose chemotherapy but I really can not know for sure what my choice would be given an actual diagnosis. I knew I had gallbladder problems a long time before I actually sought to have it removed. And for the duration of the disease ... I tried to manage it with proper diet and no 'for the rest of my life' perscriptives. I used over the counter pain medications till they stopped working. At which point unless I wanted to live in constant agony I had to seek medical intervention. I do not take any of the medicines that my doctor has suggested I take on a regular basis. Basically all I take for medicine is tylenol or gravol. Unless of course I have a bad ear infection or pneumonia ... then I take antibiotics. So again I have no idea how severe your symptoms were before you sought medical intervention .... I am saying my symptoms have to be pretty severe before I go looking for a treatment.
 
Northwind said:
Your little story does not make any point.
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Calling it my little story makes your point quite clearly. Please stop asking me questions that I try to answer and then telling me my answers are insignificant. Basically what you continue to do is draw me out ... to put me down. If your story is so much bigger than mine then fill me in on as to how and why.
 
Ritafee said:
Calling it my little story makes your point quite clearly. Please stop asking me questions that I try to answer and then telling me my answers are insignificant. Basically what you continue to do is draw me out ... to put me down. If your story is so much bigger than mine then fill me in on as to how and why.
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I'm not trying to put you down. You claim certain knowledge that the rest of us discount. I asked you a question and you used a story to deflect from a direct answer.
 
GeoFee said:
you wrote:
“Simply put ... what I am concerned with is my personal responsibility in the resistance against the exploitive and oppressive powers that do not seem at this point in history remotely on the verge of repentance!”

This is a key question, which each has opportunity to explore and embody. I have found the heart of the matter is located in my imagination. What I think about matters; if it finds its way to action. Not great grand schemes but small repeated motions adding up to patterns of care and compassion; the formation of character.
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I think I remember being a little peeved at you when the question was asked and answered some time ago.

But now I understand a lot more than I did then. I continue in this wonder cafe not because I think I am going to change anyones mind about anything that they are not even contemplating changing their mind about in the first place. It is to try to engage with people that are so totally oppositional to my own perspective that I might learn as you have to temper my communication style. After 7 years ... it may appear that I have made not much progress ... I may not write it down correctly but I am further and further towards knowing for myself what is right to do and what is wrong to do ... in the real world. In the real world ... opposition to my perspective is even harsher than in this forum so I try my best to keep it to myself ... and when I can not ... I air my opinions here. As I have noted many times ... I will try to avoid being 'banned' ... but other than that I will express myself as unhypocritically and honestly as I am able and I will suffer the consequences or reap the benefits one way or another.
 
Ritafee said:
It is to try to engage with people that are so totally oppositional to my own perspective that I might learn as you have to temper my communication style.
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Really? "Totally oppositional to your own perspective?" Realistically, you are white, western, live in a privileged country, have access to universal health care. I don't see anything in total opposition to your current life position.

Why do you bother? Actually, maybe just don't.

You admit that you do even less well in real life.

Does that ever make you think that you might be heading down the wrong rabbit hole?

Temper your communication style? Hmm...from vaguely incomprehensible and terribly mis-attributed to?
 
Northwind said:
Anything related to vaccines for one
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Discounting research that is not bought and paid for by the government or big pharma does not make it indisputable. But again, the issue with vaccination is still informed consent ... you are informed and I am informed ... I do not consent. I do not have to prove to you that I have that right.
 
And polio as well. So you are not 'purely' unvaccinated, and you might note that those things that you are vaccinated against, i) did not hurt or harm you, and ii) are largely non-existent today.
 
BetteTheRed said:
So you are not 'purely' unvaccinated, and you might note that those things that you are vaccinated against, i) did not hurt or harm you, and ii) are largely non-existent today.
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And what is your point? I also went ahead and allowed my daughter and stepson to receive all of their scheduled vaccinations ... they in turn have vaccinated their children according to schedule. There was no informed consent ... it was just what we did without question. Now the vaccination schedule is getting out of hand and people are questioning it more and more and they are being 'discounted' but not disproven.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Really? "Totally oppositional to your own perspective?" Realistically, you are white, western, live in a privileged country, have access to universal health care. I don't see anything in total opposition to your current life position.

Why do you bother? Actually, maybe just don't.

You admit that you do even less well in real life.

Does that ever make you think that you might be heading down the wrong rabbit hole?

Temper your communication style? Hmm...from vaguely incomprehensible and terribly mis-attributed to?
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Is this meant as an example of how I should be communicating?
 
Ritafee said:
Now the vaccination schedule is getting out of hand and people are questioning it more and more and they are being 'discounted' but not disproven.
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Maybe they are being discounted because they haven't shown any good information to support their views. They also present very odd alternatives to vaccines or give lame reasons to explain why it wasn't vaccines that eliminated Polio etc. Hardly credible.
 
Northwind said:
because they haven't shown any good information to support their views. They also present very odd alternatives to vaccines or give lame reasons to explain why it wasn't vaccines that eliminated Polio etc. Hardly credible.
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You have no credible information to support your views either then. You believe what you have been told. I do not believe what you are telling based on what you have been told to say without investigating for yourself. You can not tell me anything about the new experimental jabs that you absolutely understand without a doubt. The latest and greatest world wide invasive procedure is literally a shot in the dark ... will it provide immunity will it stop the contagion ... will it prevent death ... is it safe for the long term ... no no no. Basically you are promoting a placebo at best and unknown dangerous effects at worst. With a 99% recovery rate from an illness that affects the elderly with comorbidities in institutions that were not able to protect their overall wellbeing in the first place ... I don't think experimenting on the whole population is in any way beneficial to gaining of health. And they are going to start experimenting on the children in Canada I have heard. Unconscionable.
 
Ritafee said:
You have no credible information to support your views either then. You believe what you have been told. I do not believe what you are telling based on what you have been told to say without investigating for yourself. You can not tell me anything about the new experimental jabs that you absolutely understand without a doubt. The latest and greatest world wide invasive procedure is literally a shot in the dark ... will it jprovide immunity will it stop the contagion ... will it prevent death ... is it safe for the long term ... no no no. Basically you are promoting a placebo at best and unknown dangerous effects at worst. With a 99% recovery rate from an illness that affects the elderly with comorbidities in institutions that were not able to protect their overall wellbeing in the first place ... I don't think experimenting on the whole population is beneficial. And they are going to start experimenting on the children in Canada I have heard. Unconscionable.
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I accept what I'm told without question??? That's hysterical. :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL: A couple people here know me in real life and will get a laugh from that too.

See, this is an example of why it's hard to take you seriously. Telling me or others what we believe is condescending and insulting. It's pure bulls**t. And speaking of a 99% survival rate as a blanket statement after a year of this is ridiculous.
 
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