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Kimmio said:
I take disregard for personal experience of the speaker who's speaking up, in favour of superficial understanding that panders to popular opinion based on lucrative economics and stats to "prove me wrong" a little personally
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Kimmio, you've proven my point with these words. I didn't cite stats to prove you wrong. I even acknowledged that you're right to question the study I cited. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt. I cited stats to point out that there's a different perspective than yours - one that's supported by solid, doctoral-level research. You said you could cite studies showing the opposite. Do it. I'd welcome that. I'm not saying that one study that I've found proves anything. So contribute to the discussion something more than just personal anecdotes. I suppose I'm pointing out as well that policy needs to be based on solid research and not emotional reactions or anecdotal evidence or personal experience. But what you said above that I quoted again demonstrates that it's not possible to have a reasoned discussion with you on this issue. We either agree with you or you take our disagreement personally as if it's an attack. There's no basis for conversation with you on this.
 
revsdd said:
Kimmio, you've proven my point with these words. I didn't cite stats to prove you wrong. I even acknowledged that you're right to question the study I cited. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt. I cited stats to point out that there's a different perspective than yours - one that's supported by solid, doctoral-level research. You said you could cite studies showing the opposite. Do it. I'd welcome that. I'm not saying that one study that I've found proves anything. So contribute to the discussion something more than just personal anecdotes. I suppose I'm pointing out as well that policy needs to be based on solid research and not emotional reactions or anecdotal evidence or personal experience. But what you said above that I quoted again demonstrates that it's not possible to have a reasoned discussion with you on this issue. We either agree with you or you take our disagreement personally as if it's an attack. There's no basis for conversation with you on this.
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(Why must policy be based solely on objective research?)
 
We're a country with 33 million different emotional states at any given second, and they all change completely the next second. Which one will you base your legislation on?

Emotions and personal values are entirely different critters, in my vocabulary, anyway.
 
Pr. Jae said:
(Why must policy be based solely on objective research?)
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Because if you don't base policy on facts and solid evidence all you get is one person or group seeking to impose its worldview on everyone else for no good reason except that they want it that way.
 
revsdd said:
Because if you don't base policy on facts and solid evidence all you get is one person or group seeking to impose its worldview on everyone else for no good reason except that they want it that way.
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Yes - if you base it on just one person's - or one group's - worldview - which doesn't have to be the case. There can be dialogue - there can be negotiation - there can be compromise - there can be mutual respect - there can be consensus.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Yes - if you base it on just one person's - or one group's - worldview - which doesn't have to be the case. There can be dialogue - there can be negotiation - there can be compromise - there can be mutual respect - there can be consensus.
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Public policy needs to hit middle ground and it is not always possible to find that, Jae. Do you think the most conservative Christians and Muslims will settle for anything less than criminalization or at least very tight restriction of anything resembling the sex trade regardless of what other, more moderate voices may say? Objective research showing harm or not becomes a focal point for finding a middle ground that isn't dependent on achieving a potentially unachievable consensus.
 
Just read this thread - it took quite a while :D.

Other than my own frequently changing thoughts I doubt I anything useful to add to the words already shared.

Thus far in my life I haven't been to a strip joint, to the best of my knowledge I don't know any strippers personally. At no point did I think I would like to be a stripper.

When talking about a person's right to earn money (in any legal way they can) should we not factor in other forms of employment that some segments of the population think of as 'objectionable'? Personally I find professional sports to be just as demeaning as stripping. How bizarre is it that people regularly expose their bodies to injuries (that may be life long or even fatal) in exchange for a paycheque? The players are basically bought and sold between teams - to me that sounds like a form of slavery.

Possibly I am totally weird but my reality includes that I rarely feel a 'need' to be passively entertained by activities that claim some of my money.
 
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Crazyheart, what size of town is this strip club in? I wonder why it isn't possible to have people vote on issues such as this, rather than have councils decide?

Also, I just want to get this straight, wasn't it always legal to strip there, just not in a bar that serves liquor? I'm reading that the new law also opens the door for legal brothels also, is that true? Or were they always there?
 
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revsdd said:
Kimmio, you've proven my point with these words. I didn't cite stats to prove you wrong. I even acknowledged that you're right to question the study I cited. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt. I cited stats to point out that there's a different perspective than yours - one that's supported by solid, doctoral-level research. You said you could cite studies showing the opposite. Do it. I'd welcome that. I'm not saying that one study that I've found proves anything. So contribute to the discussion something more than just personal anecdotes. I suppose I'm pointing out as well that policy needs to be based on solid research and not emotional reactions or anecdotal evidence or personal experience. But what you said above that I quoted again demonstrates that it's not possible to have a reasoned discussion with you on this issue. We either agree with you or you take our disagreement personally as if it's an attack. There's no basis for conversation with you on this.
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Uh, Rev, nearly everyone here bases their opinions, and their posts, on their internal emotional reactions, including you with this post. One upsmanship and emotional remarks are the order of the day here - even with the odd stat thrown in. If you were not emotional you would not feel the need to point that post out. Yeah, I know it was an emotional post. No kidding. I'd have to be a zombie not to be emotional about this topic considering my experience. I also think there was some truth to that post - the post wasn't all about you but it was a response to you telling me not to give an opinion based on my experience because anecdotes don't count (but they they count if it's Pinga's friend as an example backing up stats on the other side of the stripping argument or Bette's daughter as an example of how girls don't have body esteem issues) - oh no those aren't emotional or anecdotally based remarks )and that I should back out - and also that people are not owning that they have emotional reactions all the time. Especially hot button topics. If noone did these discussions would read like a textbook. In interpersonal discussions experience counts. This is not the Ivy League debate club.
 
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CTV Regina
Published Monday, January 13, 2014 10:37AM CST
Regina is looking to keep strip clubs restricted to industrial areas of the city after the province loosened rules around adult entertainment.
On Wednesday, members of Regina’s planning commission will vote on proposed bylaw amendments aimed at maintaining the status quo.
That means strip clubs would remain restricted to industrial areas, and would still be subject to a minimum separation distance of 182.8 metres from residences, schools and parks.
The changes were proposed in response to new provincial regulations allowing stripteases and wet clothing contests in establishments that serve alcohol.
The City of Saskatoon recently passed bylaw changes allowing existing nightclubs to offer live adult entertainment twice a month.
Regina considered that option, but city administrators decided that rule would be too difficult to enforce.


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  • Saskatchewan was the only province that didn’t allow stripping in bars.
    The new rules also allow movie theatres to serve alcohol in age-restricted areas.
    Other changes will allow restaurant patrons to bring their own wine and spas to sell alcohol to people getting a treatment such as a manicure.
 
REGINA -- Saskatchewan is offering new liquor laws that peel back a long-held prohibition against bars serving booze at stripteases, but stop short of the full monty.
The province announced more than 70 new liquor regulations Tuesday, including the move to allow alcohol to be served at striptease performances and wet clothing contests. But it won't allow full frontal nudity and the sale of liquor to be mixed.
"Prohibition against full nudity is still going to be enforced in Saskatchewan, but we will allow some stripping, exotic dancing-type without full nudity in the province," said Donna Harpauer, minister responsible the Saskatchewan Liquor and Gaming Authority.
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Saskatchewan is the only province that doesn't allow stripping in places where alcohol is served.
Harpauer said the new rule brings Saskatchewan in line with New Brunswick, where genitals must be covered for men and women and women must have some coverage of their breasts. Decorative nipple coverings, commonly known as pasties, are allowed under Saskatchewan's new rules.
It's been a divisive issue.
Some people think the change is uncalled for and some don't think it goes far enough, the minister said.
"We're a pretty conservative province ... in a lot of areas and so I just don't think there was a huge appetite to go down the road of full strip joints obviously in Saskatchewan. And, as I said, the feedback that the office got was very mixed."
The minister said she doesn't think the change will lead to a boom in Saskatchewan's stripping industry. She said the industry is more interested in being able to have full rather than just partial nudity.
The new rules also allow movie theatres to serve alcohol in age-restricted areas.
Other changes will allow restaurant patrons to bring their own wine to meals. Spas will be able to sell alcohol to clients getting a treatment such as a manicure. Concert halls will be able to sell alcohol for televised or pre-recorded events instead of just live performances.
Golf courses will be allowed to have more alcohol kiosks or carts on the course, instead of the current one cart or kiosk per nine holes.
Harpauer said the rules needed updating.
"The number of liquor carts you can have on a golf course, really, that's just goofy, so it's taking out the goofy in our existing regulations. There is some modernization ... spas and theatres are good examples of that."
Harpauer said the regulations, such as the one allowing alcohol at wet T-shirt contests, will not appeal to everyone.
"It's younger people that believe that's part of their fun. I myself will probably not participate," she joked.
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Kimmio said:
@Pinga Who bears the burden of proof at a strip club that strippers are not sexually harassed by cat calls in their face? The employer? Probably not. Never heard such a thing and you know it doesn't exist because that is one place where sexual harassment is allowed and commonplace. Who bears the burden of proof over whether a person with a disability or who is overweight or has a ceasarian scar or any other imperfection is fit for the job or not? And what would the standard be and how is it determined? Do you see how that makes it NOT like any other place of work?
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@Pinga could you address this please?
 
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