Snoopy on the Psalms

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It really isn't about who WE say Jesus is ---It is about what God The Father says who His Son called Jesus is in His Word (who is Jesus )---

Jesus is the Word ---Jesus created all things as God the Father Spoke the Word and created everything including Us ----So the Son was in the Father and the Father was in the Son from the beginning -----

The Word---Jesus ---- became flesh and dwelt among us ----

Jesus had no Religion ----Jesus said Follow My WAy ------so all Religions are Man made and have their own rules and traditions and twist scripture to suit their needs when it benefits them ----

There are only 2 ways humans can take scripture -----believe it or not believe it -----regard it or disregard it ---- -------that is up to us ----but that won't change the Scripture and the spiritual message behind the Logos Word that God is conveying ---

God doesn't change His Word ---we do by our lack of understanding it and trying to figure it out by a human mind that can't comprehend it -----

And God makes that very Clear ---

1 Corinthians 2:14 ---very plain to understand ---how many ways can this scripture be interpreted ??? or twisted to say something else --we can try but it won't change what this says -----all it can do is change how we perceive it -----what does perceive mean----

Webster's Dictionary
per·ceive----
to become aware of through the senses


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But the natural [unbelieving] man does not accept the things [the teachings and revelations] of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness [absurd and illogical] to him; and he is incapable of understanding them, because they are spiritually discerned and appreciated, [and he is unqualified to judge spiritual matters].
 
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It really isn't about who WE say Jesus is ---It is about what God The Father says who His Son called Jesus is in His Word (who is Jesus )---

Jesus is the Word ---Jesus created all things as God the Father Spoke the Word and created everything including Us ----So the Son was in the Father and the Father was in the Son from the beginning -----

The Word---Jesus ---- became flesh and dwelt among us ----

Jesus had no Religion ----Jesus said Follow My WAy ------so all Religions are Man made and have their own rules and traditions and twist scripture to suit their needs when it benefits them ----

There are only 2 ways humans can take scripture -----believe it or not believe it -----regard it or disregard it ---- -------that is up to us ----but that won't change the Scripture and the spiritual message behind the Logos Word that God is conveying ---

God doesn't change His Word ---we do by our lack of understanding it and trying to figure it out by a human mind that can't comprehend it -----

And God makes that very Clear ---

1 Corinthians 2:14 ---very plain to understand ---how many ways can this scripture be interpreted ??? or twisted to say something else --we can try but it won't change what this says -----all it can do is change how we perceive it -----what does perceive mean----

Webster's Dictionary
per·ceive----
to become aware of through the senses


AMP
But the natural [unbelieving] man does not accept the things [the teachings and revelations] of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness [absurd and illogical] to him; and he is incapable of understanding them, because they are spiritually discerned and appreciated, [and he is unqualified to judge spiritual matters].
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Another view. This is why Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and are still waiting.

Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity

Why don't Jews believe in Jesus? Jews For Jesus?
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It's fascinating to consider that Christianity and present day rabbinic Judaism have the same roots.(Second temple Judaism).

@unsafe stated above that Jesus had no religion. I disagree with this statement because I believe he was a Torah observant Jew.
 
We have become a little sidetracked maybe. But the relationship between the OT and the NT is something to grapple with.

We know that Christians traditionally read many of the Psalms as messianic and applied them to Jesus. I am trying to read the Psalms for their own sake but I am always influenced by our traditional understanding.

Same thing happens when I read Isaiah. Certain passages are so tied to Advent in my mind I just can't read them any other way. We know for a fact our Jewish friends don't have this problem. :)

Jesus quoted from the Psalms along with other books from the Tanakh. Or did the NT writers put these words in His mouth?
I am convinced the NT writers looked to the OT to explain many baffling things.
 
paradox3 said:
We have become a little sidetracked maybe. But the relationship between the OT and the NT is something to grapple with.

We know that Christians traditionally read many of the Psalms as messianic and applied them to Jesus. I am trying to read the Psalms for their own sake but I am always influenced by our traditional understanding.

Same thing happens when I read Isaiah. Certain passages are so tied to Advent in my mind I just can't read them any other way. We know for a fact our Jewish friends don't have this problem. :)

Jesus quoted from the Psalms along with other books from the Tanakh. Or did the NT writers put these words in His mouth?
I am convinced the NT writers looked to the OT to explain many baffling things.
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Islam has "roots" also.

I wonder how Christians would feel if a "new abrahamic" religion" tacked their books with the real deeper understandings beyond the NT with even more enlightenment, onto the NT.....Called say Ultimate Understanding NT 2
featuring Trump as the Messiah...lol.
 
Waterfall said:
Islam has "roots" also.
I wonder how Christians would feel if a "new religion" tacked their books and the real deeper understandings and even more enlightenment onto the NT.....
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SOme would describe the Book of Mormon as doing just that -- and many people then claim that the LDS church is not Christian for that very reason.
 
GordW said:
SOme would describe the Book of Mormon as doing just that -- and many people then claim that the LDS church is not Christian for that very reason.
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Thanks forgot about that....but basically, it's doable with a charismatic leader
 
Unitarian Universalism is also an offshoot of Christianity. In North America, it can be considered a post Christian denomination. It doesn't claim ultimate truth though.

The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventists are similar to Mormons in that they are sometimes considered Christians and sometimes not. Maybe the Quakers are like this too but I am not sure.
 
paradox3 said:
Unitarian Universalism is also an offshoot of Christianity. In North America. It can be considered a post Christian denomination. It doesn't claim ultimate truth though.
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And has no scripture of it's own to tack on. The UU sources actually include the Jewish and Christian ones as well as the ""wisdom of the world's religions".
 
paradox3 said:
The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventists are similar to Mormons in that they are sometimes considered Christians and sometimes not.
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They at least still rely on the Bible and haven't really created their own scripture, just have their own interpretations that diverge significantly with traditional doctrine.
 
paradox3 said:
Unitarian Universalism is also an offshoot of Christianity. In North America. It can be considered a post Christian denomination. It doesn't claim ultimate truth though.

The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventists are similar to Mormons in that they are sometimes considered Christians and sometimes not. Maybe the Quakers are like this too but I am not sure.
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This also occurred in Jesus time....so I guess it's easy to understand how a newer/updated religion can get a strong foothold during a 3 to 4 hundred year span that's closer to our own lives
 
How are all these faith traditions to relate to each other? Are common roots important?

I really like the line in the New Creed that says God works with us and others through the Spirit.
 
Could you imagine someone like Constantine, demanding all Christian churches today, practice and believe Christianity one way and be on the same page?
 
Waterfall said:
Another view. This is why Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and are still waiting
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Again this is their perception --- far as their view of what has not been fulfilled ---it is coming in the future ---it hasn't happened yet ----so again their understanding of what the scripture is saying is from only taking the Old Testament as their scriptures and not understanding that the Old Testament is prophesying what Will happen in the end times which will happen in the future which the Jews know nothing about because they disregard the New testament -----

This is from your article you posted

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish?

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).---see below

b Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).----see below

c Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) see below ----

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
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The third temple will be built in the Middle pf the 7 year tribulation period ------where the anti-christ will sit for a short time ---

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Understand Bible references to the third temple, its timing, the Antichrist, and tribulation. Learn how prophecy connects temple events to scripture.
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Is the third temple rebuilt before the rapture takes place?
The Bible never makes a connection between the timing of the resurrection (rapture) and the start of the Jerusalem Temple being built except that the resurrection must occur before the start of tribulation because scripture states that by the mid-point of tribulation the temple will be built and defiled by the Antichrist.

Bible Verses about the Third Temple​

2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 - Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? ...

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The Hebrew prophets all proclaimed that in the last days the exiles of Israel would return to the Promised Land and the Temple would be rebuilt--but for whom?
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Daniel, Yeshua, the Anti-Messiah, and the Third Temple​

In the prophetic writings of the Book of Daniel and the Brit Chadashah (New Testament), we find significant details about the role of a rebuilt Temple in the end times.

Both Daniel and Yeshua (Jesus) tell us that the Anti-Messiah will defile the Third Temple before the return of the true Messiah.

They both call this spiritual defilement in the Temple the abomination of desolation:

“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” (Matthew 24:15–16; compare with Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11)
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I say -----So the Jewish Nation is not correctly understanding the scriptures in the Old testament that tell you that this in the end times which has not come to pass yet ------

the second one they sight is ------

The gathering of the Jews back to their land -------again this happens in the end times -----the Jews are gathered back into their 12 Tribes and God seals them to preach the Gospel to all the world -----

Revelation 7---read it yourself ----​

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Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)


This is speaking of the New Jerusalem at the end of the 7 year Tribulation see Revelations for that ---again in the future and Again misinterpreted by the Jews ------

The New Jerusalem​

21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The first heaven and the first earth had disappeared, and there was no sea anymore. 2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem,[a] coming down out of heaven from God. It was prepared like a bride dressed for her husband.

3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Now God’s presence is with people, and he will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and will be their God.[b] 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death, sadness, crying, or pain, because all the old ways are gone.”

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last one listed is this in the Old Testament -----

Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

End times prophecy not happened yet -----will be fulfilled when God is ready to execute His final plan -------and the New Earth is born where God will be King over all the world and He will be the only King -----

Matthew 24:14
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This good news of the kingdom [the gospel] will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end [of the age] will come.

I say ----
So we see that unfortunately the Jewish Nation would not fully grasp the scripture because they refuse to see the New Testament as revellent -------so they are missing the real Prophecy coming to be fulfilled in the future ----but they will come to see it as they will be a part of the end times and the fulfillment of the prophecies they say were not fulfilled ----

How great is that -----so just because the Jewish Nation says that these prophecies have not been fulfilled does not mean they won't be in the future ------
 
No where in the Scriptures did Jesus ever say follow Judaism ---Jesus kept the Feasts days that His Father put in place but Jesus never followed the Religion of Judaism and chastised the Pharisees for their man made rules and regulations that they themselves added to God's Laws ---

Jesus said --I am the Way --follow me ----no Religion mentioned ----
 
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