Snoopy Considers 1 Corinthians

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Snoopy's Snappy Question: 1 Corinthians 3

Would Paul disagree with this line from A New Creed (VU 918)? :unsure:

We believe in God...

who works in us and others
by the Spirit.
Paul firmly believed in the active work of the Holy Spirit. His letters are filled with references to her role in guiding, teaching, and sanctifying believers. The line from A New Creed (VU 918) that says, “We believe in God... who works in us and others by the Spirit,” resonates with Paul's message of unity and the divine work happening within the church.

Therefore, I think Paul would embrace the line as it echoes his understanding of the Spirit’s active presence and work among believers
 
A New Creed was formulated in the 1960's and it has been updated slightly a few times.

Probably when it was written "and others" referred to the church writ large. In the present day, many of us take "and others" to mean people of other faith persuasions or no faith.

Why would the Holy Spirit confine herself to Christian believers? I agree, by the way, that Paul expresses this idea quite passionately in 1 Corinthians.

At the very least, wouldn't the Holy Spirit be at work calling non-believers to God?
 
A New Creed was formulated in the 1960's and it has been updated slightly a few times.

Probably when it was written "and others" referred to the church writ large. In the present day, many of us take "and others" to mean people of other faith persuasions or no faith.

Why would the Holy Spirit confine herself to Christian believers? I agree, by the way, that Paul expresses this idea quite passionately in 1 Corinthians.

At the very least, wouldn't the Holy Spirit be at work calling non-believers to God?
Paul's writings stress the Spirit's power within the Church. However, we also do see hints of a broader scope. In Romans 8, Paul speaks of all creation groaning in anticipation of God's redemptive work. This suggests a universal yearning and the Spirit’s involvement in the whole Creation.

The line from A New Creed, “who works in us and others by the Spirit,” can capture this expansive view. It reminds us that God's Spirit's active in unexpected places and ways, calling all people towards God’s love. It's an inspiring thought: that God's work's inclusive, reaching out to those of different faiths and those still seeking.

At the very least, yes, the Spirit's at work calling non-believers to God. This aligns with the idea that God's love's offered freely to all, inviting everyone into the transformative journey of faith
 
"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: that your faith should not stand in human wisdom, but in the power of God (1 Corinthians 2:4-5),"

The Corinthians were converted not by the appeal of the Christian life as by their powerful experience of the Holy Spirit. This "demonstration of the Spirit and of power" included "signs and wonders" performed in their midst:

"I persevered in demonstrating among you the marks of a true apostle, including signs, wonders and miracles (3 Corinthians 1 2:12)."

Notice that Paul's assessment of the genuineness of their conversion is primarily based on manifestations of supernatural power:

"But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. ;For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power (1 Corinthians 4:19-20)."

But the modern church has lowered their expectations by a limited stress on spiritual beliefs and acts of compassionate ministry. For Paul, such beliefs and ministry need to be energized by the experience of the Spirit, and so, he rebukes the Galatians for allowing their faith to deteriorate from a Spirit-driven faith to a cerebral legalistic faith:

"Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard (Galatians 3:3-5)?"

Paul would agree that, though feelings can be immature and deceptive, nevertheless it is easier to feel your way to God through a passionate longing than to think your way to God.
 
So we see in the First part of this chapter that Paul was determined to Preach Christ Crucified and not peach what people might what to hear -----remember the Jews were looking for a sign and the Gentiles were looking for their wisdom ---and Paul was not going to preach to please the people ----he was Preaching the Gospel which inbirths God's faith in them -----

Verse 4
My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

In the next verses we see that God's Wisdom is revealed by the Holy Spirit ----so Paul is saying He speaks the Message of Wisdom to Believers who are Mature and have Spiritual understanding and it is not the Wisdom of this age or this world nor of leaders and rulers of this age who are doomed to pass away ---this would be unbelievers ----verse 6

Paul says this Wisdom once Hidden is now being revealed to believers by God ----no one can know the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God -----which God has bestowed on believers

Paul describes the Natural man and says they do not accept or welcome the revelations of God for they are foolish to them ----

He then describes the Spiritual man who has embrace the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and who examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things-----

Paul closes with this ===ERV Bible

But anyone without the Spirit is not able to make proper judgments about us. As the Scriptures say,

“Who can know what is on the Lord’s mind?
Who is able to give him advice?”
But we have been given Christ’s way of thinking.

I say ---this is hard preaching as it clearly states the difference between the unbelievers and the believers and the their capabilities of understanding --------it is hard to hear for some who think that because God is a God of Love that He should just include all people in His Spiritual man understanding -----
BUT
He gave us Free choice ---We can choose to be a Natural Man or a Spiritual man ---that is our choice ---God is there for all people to accept -----but not all people want to accept God -
 
"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: that your faith should not stand in human wisdom, but in the power of God (1 Corinthians 2:4-5),"

The Corinthians were converted not by the appeal of the Christian life as by their powerful experience of the Holy Spirit. This "demonstration of the Spirit and of power" included "signs and wonders" performed in their midst:

"I persevered in demonstrating among you the marks of a true apostle, including signs, wonders and miracles (3 Corinthians 1 2:12)."

Notice that Paul's assessment of the genuineness of their conversion is primarily based on manifestations of supernatural power:

"But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. ;For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power (1 Corinthians 4:19-20)."

But the modern church has lowered their expectations by a limited stress on spiritual beliefs and acts of compassionate ministry. For Paul, such beliefs and ministry need to be energized by the experience of the Spirit, and so, he rebukes the Galatians for allowing their faith to deteriorate from a Spirit-driven faith to a cerebral legalistic faith:

"Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard (Galatians 3:3-5)?"

Paul would agree that, though feelings can be immature and deceptive, nevertheless it is easier to feel your way to God through a passionate longing than to think your way to God.
Yes Mystic, it's the power of the Holy Spirit that draws us closer to God. Paul's ministry was a living testament to the supernatural work of God. This divine encounter ignites our hearts and fortifies our faith.

Paul's words challenge us to never lose sight of the Spirit-filled life that God calls us to. Our beliefs must be fueled by a vibrant experience of the Spirit.

Let's stay open to her work. It's through this trust in her that we truly encounter God
 
1 Corinthians 3

Paul addresses immaturity and self- deception in this chapter.

He tells the Corinthians they are still being influenced by the flesh. Interestingly, he is not referring to sexual immorality this time.

There is jealousy and dissension taking place, with factions loyal to Paul, Apollos and Cephas.

He reminds the people they are God's temple with God's Spirit living inside them. They belong to Christ and Christ belongs to God.
 
1 Corinthians 3

Paul addresses immaturity and self- deception in this chapter.

He tells the Corinthians they are still being influenced by the flesh. Interestingly, he is not referring to sexual immorality this time.

There is jealousy and dissension taking place, with factions loyal to Paul, Apollos and Cephas.

He reminds the people they are God's temple with God's Spirit living inside them. They belong to Christ and Christ belongs to God.
Paul's words are a call to rise above our earthly struggles. It's fascinating how he addresses jealousy rather than the more obvious sins, showing us he thinks that even the subtler influences of the flesh can disrupt Christian unity.

He sees all Christians as part of God's temple, with the Holy Spirit dwelling within all. This truth must inspire all of us Christians today to love, recognizing that we all belong to Christ, and through Christ, to God
 
Yes, it's interesting that he addresses jealousy. He seems to be saying that it must be set aside in order to build on the foundation Paul has laid.

In terms of the seriousness of this sin, I am reminded that Do not covet is one of the Ten Commandments.
 
Snoopy's Snappy Question: 1 Corinthians 3

What does belonging to Christ mean to you? :unsure:
Believe belonging to Christ's the most transformative experience I've ever had. I believe deep down that I'm loved unconditionally and that I'm part of something far bigger than myself. I believe I've found my true identity and purpose, and that I'm invited to live in a way that reflects Christ's love and grace to others.

I believe I'm never alone. I'm part of a community that uplifts me. Even in my many struggles and imperfections, I feel embraced and cherished by a God who knows me full well
 
Yes, it's interesting that he addresses jealousy. He seems to be saying that it must be set aside in order to build on the foundation Paul has laid.

In terms of the seriousness of this sin, I am reminded that Do not covet is one of the Ten Commandments.
His words I see as a reminder that Christians' spiritual growth requires them to let go of envy and division.

Jealousy and coveting are indeed serious issues in the Church, as they tear apart the unity Christians must build.

There have been times when I've focused way too much on what others have, losing sight of the gifts that I believe God has given to me.

Building on the foundation of Christ means embracing love, and a spirit of togetherness
 
His words I see as a reminder that Christians' spiritual growth requires them to let go of envy and division.

Jealousy and coveting are indeed serious issues in the Church, as they tear apart the unity Christians must build.

There have been times when I've focused way too much on what others have, losing sight of the gifts that I believe God has given to me.

Building on the foundation of Christ means embracing love, and a spirit of togetherness
But does it mean we should have hundreds of denominations that believe differently?
Why aren't we "unified in Christ" today?
 
We see in the first part of this Chapter --Paul is discussing the 3 Man ---
He discussed the Natural man and Spiritual man in the last Chapter and the Carnal Man is being discussed here ----

So the Carnal Man is a person who has the indwelling of the Holy spirit and are heaven bound but their minds have not been change to God's way of thinking -----so they live still thinking like this world ---they still live in the flesh -----

Verse 1 AMPC B
However, brethren, I could not talk to you as to spiritual [men], but as to nonspiritual [men of the flesh, in whom the carnal nature predominates], as to mere infants [in the new life] in Christ

They are a Babe In Christ ------ and Pauls says he only fed them the milk of the Scriptures as they are not ready to have more knowledge than they can understand ----
This is so important to understand ---as the Believer who has Matured some ---needs to have the patience and gentleness and Agape needed to help this Carnal Christian move forward to mature in their Faith walk ------This New Christian is vulnerable to backsliding or worse renouncing their Faith altogether ---as Satan has full access to their thinking -----

verse 3
For you are still [unspiritual, having the nature] of the flesh [under the control of ordinary impulses]. For as long as [there are] envying and jealousy and wrangling and factions among you, are you not unspiritual and of the flesh, behaving yourselves after a human standard and like mere (unchanged) men?

So we see here Paul is saying ---that as long as these desires and behaviours of the flesh are still present your actions are like what unbelievers who are in the world harbouring human worldly standards ---like saying I belong to Paul --I belong to Apollos ---which says your unchanged people ----

Paul is saying all we do is Plant and Water but it is God who makes the growth and increase
and he says anyone who builds upon this foundation will see increase

In verse 13 Paul lays out that the work and motives of each believer will be revealed on Judgment day ---

Paul asks --- can't you understand and discern that the Church is God's Temple and the Holy Spirit indwells permanently in you ---as a Church and individually ----

This is important here because believers actions and thoughts can actually grieve the Holy Spirit who dwells in believers ---and True Christians should never want to Grieve the Holy Spirit -- actions and thoughts should always want to please the Holy Spirit ----

Verse 17 and 18 is a stern warning to Believers ----hard to hear ---they speak for themselves


If anyone does hurt to God’s temple or corrupts it]with false doctrines] or destroys it, God will do hurt to him and bring him to the corruption of death and destroy him.

For the temple of God is holy (sacred to Him) and that [temple] you the believing church and its individual believers are.

18 Let no person deceive himself. If anyone among you supposes that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool [let him discard his worldly discernment and recognize himself as dull, stupid, and foolish, without true learning and scholarship], that he may become [really] wise.

So Pauls says the World's Wisdom is Foolish with God ----God knows the thoughts and reasonings of the humanly wise and how futile they are ------so let no one boast about what leader they have----- as you belong to Christ and Christ is God's ----

Paul --Preaching like it is ------and no holding back as to the results of preaching Bad doctrine and bad actions ==Paul does Not Preach to Please People ---He Preaches God's Truth as it is -----

To Many Preachers today are Afraid to Preach the Real Truth =====They Prefer to cater to what the People want to hear -----bad for the Soul and where your destined to be -----

Paul is such a great Example for Believers to follow in their Preaching ---- in my view

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But does it mean we should have hundreds of denominations that believe differently?
Why aren't we "unified in Christ" today?
Blame John 3:16 :D

We can't agree on what "whosoever believeth in him" actually means. And since believing is so important....

Houston, we have a problem. Just my .02 worth.
 
But does it mean we should have hundreds of denominations that believe differently?
Why aren't we "unified in Christ" today?
All these denominations are all made made ---Man has decided --Not God ---to divide the One True Gospel and come up with their own rules ---regulations and traditions ----so stupid in my view ---

Found This
AI

Religions split primarily due to disagreements over theological interpretations, leadership authority, cultural influences, and political power dynamics, with different groups developing distinct beliefs and practices over time, often leading to divisions within a single faith or the creation of entirely new religions; this is often seen in historical events like the Protestant Reformation where disagreements over doctrine led to the separation from the Catholic Church.

Key points about religious splits:
  • Doctrinal differences:
    Different understandings of core religious concepts like the nature of God, salvation, afterlife, and the role of religious leaders can cause significant splits.

  • Power struggles:
    Conflicts between religious leaders or factions vying for control can lead to divisions within a religion.

  • Cultural influences:
    As societies evolve, religious practices can adapt to local cultures, creating variations between different regions.

  • Political factors:
    Sometimes, political events or conflicts can exacerbate existing religious tensions, leading to further divisions.

Your Quote Here
Why aren't we "unified in Christ" today?

I say ------Believers are unified under Christ ----being Unified or Not being Unified under Christ is a Personal Choice we make all by ourselves -----

We have Free Will to Choose ---this World's way or Christ's way ----

God wants us to be Unified under Christ ---Some Choose to be Unified under Christ

But Many Choose not to be Unified under Christ by rejecting Jesus ---who is the only one who can Unified people under Christ ----that is their Choice ----
 
But does it mean we should have hundreds of denominations that believe differently?
Why aren't we "unified in Christ" today?
Today's different denominations Waterfall, arise from our diverse expressions of faith. This reflects the beautiful variety within the body of Christ. Each denomination brings unique insights that enrich our collective faith. Our differences are chances for growth.

Our being 'unified in Christ' amidst this diversity starts with embracing our shared identity in Christ. We must focus on Jesus' love. By fostering cooperation among denominations, we'll work together to advance God’s kingdom
 
Today's different denominations Waterfall, arise from our diverse expressions of faith. This reflects the beautiful variety within the body of Christ. Each denomination brings unique insights that enrich our collective faith. Our differences are chances for growth.

Our being 'unified in Christ' amidst this diversity starts with embracing our shared identity in Christ. We must focus on Jesus' love. By fostering cooperation among denominations, we'll work together to advance God’s kingdom
But how do you foster that cooperation when some Christians and denominations insist on questioning the faith of others and even tossing around accusations of heresy or that the others are leading people astray? That's been a battle for as long as Christianity has existed and I see no sign of it going away. We see it happening here at times (though less so of late). How do you cooperate with someone who questions your faith and right to exist as part of the "body of Christ"?
 
* tens of thousands
Find this diversity to be a beautiful reflection of the many ways people seek to experience God's love. Each denomination brings its unique threads to the larger tapestry of Christianity.

Just think about it: this rich variety allows Christians to learn from one another. It's like, I believe, the body of Christ; each part is essential. These differences are chances for deeper connection
 
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