Snoopy Considers 1 Corinthians

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Jae according to God there is only one Faith ------so can you explain what you mean here -Thanks

Within the universal Church, various denominations express their faith in Jesus Christ in unique ways, shaped by cultural, historical, and theological contexts.

The expression changes, but the core of Christian belief remains the same: the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

Paul addresses this unity in diversity in his letters, such as in 1 Corinthians 12, where he speaks of many parts making up one body
 
Within the universal Church, various denominations express their faith in Jesus Christ in unique ways, shaped by cultural, historical, and theological contexts.

The expression changes, but the core of Christian belief remains the same: the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

Paul addresses this unity in diversity in his letters, such as in 1 Corinthians 12, where he speaks of many parts making up one body
The only problem with this reasoning is that we don't have an entity defined as the "universal church". We have more diversity among Christians than unity, I would say.

I don't even think we all agree on the meaning of "the saving grace of Jesus".
 
No, I don't think so. Paul is just emphasizing the importance of humility, faithfulness, and leaving the final judgment to God
True enough. He is emphasizing those things. I just find his acceptance of persecution a little prideful. I am always suspicious of individuals who consider themselves an exemplar for others.
 
The expression changes, but the core of Christian belief remains the same: the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
But not all denominations follow or believe that Jae -----so not all Man Made Religions think that Jesus was the Son of God ----they follow a different Faith and belief -----Judaism for one
 
But not all denominations follow or believe that Jae -----so not all Man Made Religions think that Jesus was the Son of God ----they follow a different Faith and belief -----Judaism for one
:unsure:

Never have I ever said that Judaism is Christianity, unsafe
 
Here is what A New Creed says about Jesus:

We believe in God ...

who has come in Jesus,
the Word made flesh,
to reconcile and make new.


And we are called ...

to proclaim Jesus, crucified and risen,
our judge and our hope.


That's it for Jesus. We have other faith statements, some older and more traditional and one more progressive/ contemporary. But A New Creed is the most well-known.

Open to interpretation, right?
 
In Chapter 4 we see Paul telling the Corinthian Church that hand others are servants of Christ and in this capacity Faithfulness does matter and God will judge their work in their end -----So Paul is not concerned with how this Church sees Paul as they are not his judge ----he even says he does not judge himself --so they should not want to puff themselves up by judging anyone --as when personal opinions come into play that is what starts the bickering and division ---

Paul shows the difference between Apostles lives and a self seeking status Church ---and says the world sees the Apostles as week and fools ---but you see yourselves as wise --the Church here wishes to be respected and present themselves as a strong Church ---He says for Christ's sake we have gone hungry and thirsty wear one undergarment and are knocked about and persecuted homeless at times ---

I say ---Paul is really laying it out bear what it means to serve Christ ----he is laying it on thick and heavy as what their life is like -------I wounder when hearing all this what the Church is thinking about this stark revelation ?????

Then wee see Paul saying he is not writing this for the Corinthians to feel bad about the way they are living --going after -status --wealth etc ---he is hoping that his stark words help them change their behaviour and life style -----

Paul feels since he was the one that brought them to Christ that he has a responsibility to correct them when they are going down the wrong Path -----and to bring them back to serve Christ and not themselves -----

I say----- Paul is exercising his Righteous Judgment here as God approves believers judging other believers who are going astray ----if believers allow a brother or sister in Christ who they see is behaving as though they are still sinners in this world and do nothing then we are is bad as they are as we know the difference and will be judged by God on that wrong we are doing ---so we are to exercise this Righteous Judgment and if the person refuses to come back to the Fold ---we are to wipe our feet and move on ------

Paul says in the last part of this Chapter that he will come soon and deal with these problems face to face so he can understand and perceive not what words these Spirits speak in their talkthing but what power the have over his Church ---

I say ---so we see Paul recognizing that Satan has influenced his Church and Talk is tough when the person is not there to confront it ----But when the person actually shows up in person ---how much power will be shown then when confronted ----

So here lastly Paul gives them as choice to think about --- ----Verse 21 AMPC B

21 Now which do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a rod of correction, or with love and in a spirit of gentleness?


This last part here is very important ---as Satan has access to very Church today ----and he is a master at causing division ---strife and conflict among the True Church -----

We are in a Sritual War ----and you win or loose that Battle in your mind ----Paul is so aware that this is what is happening in his Corinthian Church ------

AI ---Satan has a big foothold in this world today


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The phrase "you win or lose the battle in your mind" means that the outcome of any challenge, whether physical or mental, is largely determined by your mindset and attitude; your internal thoughts and beliefs play a crucial role in shaping your success or failure.
 
Never have I ever said that Judaism is Christianity, unsafe
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Now that is just to funny ------------------------
 
Question ?

How do you interpret this yourself ----what do you think it means ----
Will try to be brief because I don't want us to stray too far from 1 Corinthians.

Crucified = historical

Risen = more than a metaphor but not the resuscitation of a dead body, especially not one being taken up into the sky

Our judge = our moral standard. But I don't rule out judgement at the end of the present age.

Our hope = a reasonable hope for life beyond death (mentioned in A New Creed).

Let's not get sidetracked into debating any of these points. I was trying to say that even followers of Jesus within the same denomination see things quite differently at times.
 
The only problem with this reasoning is that we don't have an entity defined as the "universal church". We have more diversity among Christians than unity, I would say.

I don't even think we all agree on the meaning of "the saving grace of Jesus".
The term "universal church" refers to the collective body of all believers in Jesus Christ. This idea is based on Ephesians 4:4-6, which says, "There is one body and one Spirit - just as you were called to one hope when you were called - one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Our shared faith in Jesus Christ is what unites us.

We must also, of course, strive for unity, focusing on the core beliefs that we share rather than the differences that divide us.

As to "the saving grace of Jesus," it refers to the unmerited favor and love that God extends to us through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It offers us forgiveness, reconciliation with God, and the hope of eternal life
 
Here is what A New Creed says about Jesus:

We believe in God ...

who has come in Jesus,
the Word made flesh,
to reconcile and make new.


And we are called ...

to proclaim Jesus, crucified and risen,
our judge and our hope.


That's it for Jesus. We have other faith statements, some older and more traditional and one more progressive/ contemporary. But A New Creed is the most well-known.

Open to interpretation, right?
Each of us may interpret these statements in ways that resonate with our own faith experiences. This diversity of thought enriches our collective faith
 
In Chapter 4 we see Paul telling the Corinthian Church that hand others are servants of Christ and in this capacity Faithfulness does matter and God will judge their work in their end -----So Paul is not concerned with how this Church sees Paul as they are not his judge ----he even says he does not judge himself --so they should not want to puff themselves up by judging anyone --as when personal opinions come into play that is what starts the bickering and division ---

Paul shows the difference between Apostles lives and a self seeking status Church ---and says the world sees the Apostles as week and fools ---but you see yourselves as wise --the Church here wishes to be respected and present themselves as a strong Church ---He says for Christ's sake we have gone hungry and thirsty wear one undergarment and are knocked about and persecuted homeless at times ---

I say ---Paul is really laying it out bear what it means to serve Christ ----he is laying it on thick and heavy as what their life is like -------I wounder when hearing all this what the Church is thinking about this stark revelation ?????

Then wee see Paul saying he is not writing this for the Corinthians to feel bad about the way they are living --going after -status --wealth etc ---he is hoping that his stark words help them change their behaviour and life style -----

Paul feels since he was the one that brought them to Christ that he has a responsibility to correct them when they are going down the wrong Path -----and to bring them back to serve Christ and not themselves -----

I say----- Paul is exercising his Righteous Judgment here as God approves believers judging other believers who are going astray ----if believers allow a brother or sister in Christ who they see is behaving as though they are still sinners in this world and do nothing then we are is bad as they are as we know the difference and will be judged by God on that wrong we are doing ---so we are to exercise this Righteous Judgment and if the person refuses to come back to the Fold ---we are to wipe our feet and move on ------

Paul says in the last part of this Chapter that he will come soon and deal with these problems face to face so he can understand and perceive not what words these Spirits speak in their talkthing but what power the have over his Church ---

I say ---so we see Paul recognizing that Satan has influenced his Church and Talk is tough when the person is not there to confront it ----But when the person actually shows up in person ---how much power will be shown then when confronted ----

So here lastly Paul gives them as choice to think about --- ----Verse 21 AMPC B

21 Now which do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a rod of correction, or with love and in a spirit of gentleness?


This last part here is very important ---as Satan has access to very Church today ----and he is a master at causing division ---strife and conflict among the True Church -----

We are in a Sritual War ----and you win or loose that Battle in your mind ----Paul is so aware that this is what is happening in his Corinthian Church ------

AI ---Satan has a big foothold in this world today


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The phrase "you win or lose the battle in your mind" means that the outcome of any challenge, whether physical or mental, is largely determined by your mindset and attitude; your internal thoughts and beliefs play a crucial role in shaping your success or failure.
Paul emphasizes that as servants of Christ, faithfulness is paramount, and God alone is our judge. This helps us understand that human judgment leads to conflict within the Church. Paul’s approach teaches us to leave the judgment to God.

Paul draws a stark contrast between the lives of the apostles and a self-seeking status church. He describes the apostles’ hardships to illustrate what it means to wholeheartedly serve Christ. This honesty was a revelation for the Corinthian Church, challenging them to reflect on their own pursuit of status.

Paul’s intention is to inspire the Corinthisns to change their behavior. He feels a deep responsibility to guide them back on the right path when they stray.

The concept of Righteous Judgment is crucial here. Paul exercises this judgment out of love. It reminds us that, as Christians, we must lovingly correct one another when we see someone going astray. If they refuse to return, we must move on, knowing that we have done our part.

Paul's message about spiritual warfare is also big. He recognizes that Satan can infiltrate the Church, causing strife. This awareness is as relevant today as it was then
 
Other than a metaphorical idea, there is no "collective body" of all believers in Jesus Christ. Ditto for the "universal church".
"Collective body" and "universal church" have a tangible reality. Paul frequently refers to us believers as the Body of Christ. This metaphor conveys a deep spiritual truth: that we're all interconnected.

The idea of the "universal church" goes beyond mere metaphor. It signifies the global community of believers who share a common faith in Jesus Christ.

The core of Christian belief, the saving grace of Jesus Christ, unites all us Christians as one body. This unity's a lived experience through shared worship, fellowship, and mission.

The "universal church" reflects God's vision for his people to be one. We believers long for unity, going beyond differences.

The terms "collective body" and "universal church" point to a great reality that we believers are part of something much greater than ourselves: a global family united in Christ
 
1 Corinthians 5

There's trouble today! Paul has become aware of sexual immorality among the Corinthians. Someone is having sex with his father's wife.

And the rest of them are at fault for not kicking this person out.

He should have been handed over to Satan for destruction of the body. Somehow this would have saved his spirit in the day of the Lord. (Perhaps because a dead person can no longer sin?)

Their boasting is not good.

They are instructed not to associate with anyone calling himself a Christian who is sexually immoral, greedy, an idolator, verbally abusive, a drunkard or a swindler. Do not even eat with such a person, says Paul.

God will judge those outside the church. But they are to judge those inside and remove the evil-doers.
 
Snoopy's Snappy Question: Where does it say "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"?

Isn't it in Romans? Didn't Paul write those words?
 
1 Corinthians 5

There's trouble today! Paul has become aware of sexual immorality among the Corinthians. Someone is having sex with his father's wife.

And the rest of them are at fault for not kicking this person out.

He should have been handed over to Satan for destruction of the body. Somehow this would have saved his spirit in the day of the Lord. (Perhaps because a dead person can no longer sin?)

Their boasting is not good.

They are instructed not to associate with anyone calling himself a Christian who is sexually immoral, greedy, an idolator, verbally abusive, a drunkard or a swindler. Do not even eat with such a person, says Paul.

God will judge those outside the church. But they are to judge those inside and remove the evil-doers.
Paul addresses a serious issue within the Corinthian church. His concern is about the church's response to sin. They had become boastful, allowing sin to fester without confrontation. Paul urges them to act out of a sorrow for sin.

Church discipline, I think, is about healing. People in the same church must hold one another accountable, gently correct each other, and seek each other's spiritual well-being..

Paul's message is clear: those of us who are part of churches must address sin within our church with love, always seeking to reflect Christ's grace
 
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