Shekhinah Glory

[chansen]

To take from Conversations With God, What would be the difference? Could not God communicate to us and through us via our Thoughts and Imagination.

We are brought to the simple inquiry of "If God is boundless and infinite, where is God Not?"

AUM

Lots of people think that God is telling them who to hate. airclean33 thinks the Holy Spirit can point out to him who else has the Holy Spirit. Some people think God is telling them to kill. Sometimes their children.

Are those all examples of your infinite God talking, or are some or all of those the result of chemically imbalanced minds creating ideas and attributing them to "God"?

If they aren't God talking, *how* do we know that?

 

[chansen]

Which means, of course, that everyone who has experienced these things is a liar or deluded in some way.

Because that is the way a black and white universe operates.

It's the most likely explanation, I think. I could be wrong. I'm simply appreciative that some Christians admit that the Holy Spirit does not talk to them. It would be easy for CH to say that she does hear it. Instead, she seems sad that she does not.

How many people, do you think, claim to hear the Holy Spirit, but are actually making it up, because they want to be part of the crowd that the Holy Spirit has "selected" to communicate with? I think it would be very difficult to tell the fakers apart from those who really do hear the Holy Spirit, or at least really think they do. Is there a way to separate the two?

It's not black and white, but I think it's clear that not every person who claims divine communication is honest with others about it. The rest, we simply can't tell if their being truthful. Given that it would be more exciting for CH to say she is in communication with the Holy Spirit, I appreciate her honesty.

 

[crazyheart]

Thank you Chansen.

I haven't seen an angel either as some have said they have. or devil or devilishly experience .I haven't
had a stigmata or seen a stigmata

Don't get me wrong, I have experienced many things but none , imo, are Shekhinah Glory.

Maybe , I am spiritually blind.

 

[chansen]

Except, why are the potentially spiritually blind people, typically the thoughtful ones?

You might expect it to be the other way 'round.

 

[Hermann]

Thank you Chansen.

I haven't seen an angel either as some have said they have. or devil or devilishly experience .I haven't
had a stigmata or seen a stigmata

Don't get me wrong, I have experienced many things but none , imo, are Shekhinah Glory.

Maybe , I am spiritually blind.

I think all kinds of experiences can be experiences of Shekhinah Glory. Whether we describe an experience as mundane or divine depends not so much on the experience but on our interpretation of the experience. In other words, we, the experiencer and contemplator, create the meaning of our experience.

 

[chansen]

I think all kinds of experiences can be an experiences of Shekhinah Glory. Whether we describe an experience as mundane or divine depends not so much on the experience but on our interpretation of the experience. In other words, we, the experiencer and contemplator, create the meaning of our experience.

But that's just expanding definitions again so that you meet them. It follows a common Christian pattern of wanting something to be true, so expand the definition of, say, hell, to include the here and now, so we can say it exists! Problem solved!

I can't buy that.

 

[Neo]

Why couldn't all theses spiritual experiences be relative to one's capacity to experience them? E.g. Awareness.

The Buddha once said that just as there are different levels of being asleep, so are there different levels of being awake.

 

[Hermann]

But that's just expanding definitions again so that you meet them. It follows a common Christian pattern of wanting something to be true, so expand the definition of, say, hell, to include the here and now, so we can say it exists! Problem solved!

I can't buy that.

Well, chansen, I'm not saying that our subjective interpretations of our experiences are proof for the existence of a real ontological heaven or hell or Shekhinah Glory. All of these are metaphors, and our explanations of our experiences are equally metaphorical.

Tonight we are supposed to see a huge aurora borealis all over Canada. If somebody says they experienced this as an experience of Shekhinah Glory, this is fine with me. Just because the event has natural causes does not mean it can't or shouldn't be experienced as a soul-stirring, spiritual event. I don't believe in supernaturalism. To me, the natural is super, or supernal, or numinous. All that is is both natural and spiritual. Energy is both the physical and the spiritual substance of the universe. And all natural events are cause for boundless wonder: Shekhinah Glory.

 

[Ryan Hauck]

Lots of people think that God is telling them who to hate. airclean33 thinks the Holy Spirit can point out to him who else has the Holy Spirit. Some people think God is telling them to kill. Sometimes their children.

Are those all examples of your infinite God talking, or are some or all of those the result of chemically imbalanced minds creating ideas and attributing them to "God"?

If they aren't God talking, *how* do we know that?

The rubric I adhere to is that only our highest thoughts of Love, Compassion, and Giving are of God. Anything else is from another source, being of the EGO or Seperated Mind. The Good of God is for us ALL, not just one person.

If a voice is telling someone to kill another, it would not be from God or the Holy Spirit, simply because it does not offer benefit to everyone involved.

The truth is that a lot of people use religion as a scape-goat for their unhealed thoughts and feelings. Its no secret that people project responsibility on to others for how they think and feel, and these cases where "God" (which is considered the highest authority, and therefore the greatest justification) would be the perfect tool in the Ego's sick belief system to use.

AUM

 

[chansen]

The rubric I adhere to is that only our highest thoughts of Love, Compassion, and Giving are of God. Anything else is from another source, being of the EGO or Seperated Mind. The Good of God is for us ALL, not just one person.

If a voice is telling someone to kill another, it would not be from God or the Holy Spirit, simply because it does not offer benefit to everyone involved.

The truth is that a lot of people use religion as a scape-goat for their unhealed thoughts and feelings. Its no secret that people project responsibility on to others for how they think and feel, and these cases where "God" (which is considered the highest authority, and therefore the greatest justification) would be the perfect tool in the Ego's sick belief system to use.

AUM

But then, if we're talking about a God related to Christianity, there are scriptural references to God commanding others to kill or preparing them to kill. You can't just say that any message that does not offer benefit to everyone involved can not be from God, if you're talking about the God described in the bible.

 

[Ryan Hauck]

It's the most likely explanation, I think. I could be wrong. I'm simply appreciative that some Christians admit that the Holy Spirit does not talk to them. It would be easy for CH to say that she does hear it. Instead, she seems sad that she does not.

How many people, do you think, claim to hear the Holy Spirit, but are actually making it up, because they want to be part of the crowd that the Holy Spirit has "selected" to communicate with? I think it would be very difficult to tell the fakers apart from those who really do hear the Holy Spirit, or at least really think they do. Is there a way to separate the two?

It's not black and white, but I think it's clear that not every person who claims divine communication is honest with others about it. The rest, we simply can't tell if their being truthful. Given that it would be more exciting for CH to say she is in communication with the Holy Spirit, I appreciate her honesty.

Again, in the Ego's insane belief system, communication with God or the HS is considered "Special". Specialness is what society teaches us when it comes to religion and God. When people claim to "hear" a voice, they attribute specialness to it. Communication from God is not special because its not exclusive. Everyone is in Communication and its not always a voice.

If your walking down the street and see a person in need, and THINK of offering assistance, THAT is an example of communication with God, I think, because ones Mind was aligned with Truth about the other AND one's self.

AUM

 

[Ryan Hauck]

But then, if we're talking about a God related to Christianity, there are scriptural references to God commanding others to kill or preparing them to kill. You can't just say that any message that does not offer benefit to everyone involved can not be from God, if you're talking about the God described in the bible.

Well I guess I am not talking about the "God of the Bible". However, perhaps its time that the God of the Bible be let go of, and we sincerely engage in dialogue about a God for Everyone. ~shrugs~

 

[chansen]

But when you do, someone is always there with a bible, telling you where you're wrong. I wish we could not just let go of the bible, but the bible verbage as well. There are better reasons to be a good person and to be peaceful. Religion divides. It allows people the belief that God wants what they want, and not what those other godless or wrong-god people want.

And if we're all in communication with God, why all the mixed messages? It's almost as if people believe God is telling them what they want to hear, or feel what they want to feel.

 

[Ryan Hauck]

But when you do, someone is always there with a bible, telling you where you're wrong. I wish we could not just let go of the bible, but the bible verbage as well. There are better reasons to be a good person and to be peaceful. Religion divides. It allows people the belief that God wants what they want, and not what those other godless or wrong-god people want.

And if we're all in communication with God, why all the mixed messages? It's almost as if people believe God is telling them what they want to hear, or feel what they want to feel.

I would think the mixed messages come not from the Source of the communication, but the receiving end. Everyone is going to interpret the communication in relation to what they think they want. And if what they want is not to do the Will of God, then the message will be interpreted to reflect that.

And here we have the basis of all confusion and chaos stemming from Religion (every single one). Christianity has split into so many schools of thought because of the different wants of its followers. We have some Christians who live as Christ did, and others who preach from a book and seek only to sate their need for "Specialness".

One of my favorite quotes is found in my Signature.. "Seek not follow in the footsteps of the Wise, Seek what they sought".

What Jesus and other Masters have revealed to mankind came from a life dedicated to Truth. How many Christians, Buddhists, Hindu's, Muslims, etc are Dedicated to the Truth (which is accompanied with humbleness, and compassion) for the sake of Everyone?

Jesus was not a Christian, he was the Christ.

Perhaps peace will be had when The Bible is put down, and the Christ within is risen up in the hearts and minds of all men and woman of the world.

AUM

 

[revjohn]

It's the most likely explanation, I think. I could be wrong.

Fair enough. In the meantime, until you can be proven to be wrong we will assume that any and all such claims made by Christians must be lies. Including my own.

I'm simply appreciative that some Christians admit that the Holy Spirit does not talk to them.

It isn't as simple as that. You posit that since the Holy Spirit cannot exist no such entity can communicate with anyone therefore only those Christians who claim not to have heard the Holy Spirit are, by your criteria honest. All others are automatically dishonest.

It would be easy for CH to say that she does hear it. Instead, she seems sad that she does not.

Which is true for CH so it must automatically be true for all others.

How many people, do you think, claim to hear the Holy Spirit, but are actually making it up, because they want to be part of the crowd that the Holy Spirit has "selected" to communicate with?

This is where I honestly claim to have no clue as to who is or isn't being honest about making such claims and where you claim that the number is all. Everyone who makes such a claim is making it up.

I think it would be very difficult to tell the fakers apart from those who really do hear the Holy Spirit,

Are you never able to tell when someone is being honest with you?

or at least really think they do. Is there a way to separate the two?

Some consolation for me in this statement. I may not be a liar I may just be deluded. Now it is up to me to decide which is meant to be the most complimentary of the two.

It's not black and white, but

It either is or it isn't. By claiming that CH is being honest and suggesting all others aren't is black and white. Admitting that those who make the claim may simply be deluded doesn't really introduce any grey. It simply shifts their motivation to be dishonest.

I think it's clear that not every person who claims divine communication is honest with others about it.

I would agree that this is a fair statement. I understand why you would automatically jump to the conclusion that since some are being dishonest all must be dishonest. If that isn't black and white I would appreciate some clarity on what it.

The rest, we simply can't tell if their being truthful.

So, since you cannot discern whether or not they are being truthful you presume dishonesty. Nothing black or white about that.

Given that it would be more exciting for CH to say she is in communication with the Holy Spirit, I appreciate her honesty.

And given that others admit that they have heard the Holy Spirit you consider them to by lying. Again, nothing black or white about that.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Again, in the Ego's insane belief system, communication with God or the HS is considered "Special". Specialness is what society teaches us when it comes to religion and God. When people claim to "hear" a voice, they attribute specialness to it. Communication from God is not special because its not exclusive. Everyone is in Communication and its not always a voice.

not nesserally so , there is 1) your voice, 2) voices from the spirit realm not of God 3) God the Creators Voice

1) your voice creates specialness to boast ego, feels good

2) voices from the spirit realm not of God create specialness again to boast ego which makes it easy to deceive , we think so highly of our selves

3) Gods voice, surrenders ego, we become humble and broken , selfless in the presence of the Almighty

If your walking down the street and see a person in need, and THINK of offering assistance, THAT is an example of communication with God, I think, because ones Mind was aligned with Truth about the other AND one's self.

AUM

loving and helping your neighbor is a position of your heart, many have jumped in and helped only to find themselves in danger with the victim , thinking would say are you crazy i can be hurt , but the position of your heart says, screw my pain as you will lord this one neeeds help

selfless love

 

[blackbelt1961]

Well I guess I am not talking about the "God of the Bible". However, perhaps its time that the God of the Bible be let go of, and we sincerely engage in dialogue about a God for Everyone. ~shrugs~

God has been created many times through out history, take your pick, unless you want the Truth of God , Let God speak for God Self

 

[Ryan Hauck]

loving and helping your neighbor is a position of your heart, many have jumped in and helped only to find themselves in danger with the victim , thinking would say are you crazy i can be hurt , but the position of your heart says, screw my pain as you will lord this one neeeds help

selfless love

And that Thought, which is of Wholeness and Truth, is a communication from God/HS. How can one argue that a thought is not a form of communication? My thoughts about another person communicate and idea or belief I have about them. And I either have Thought which are shared with everyone and God, or I have private thoughts of attack and judgement.

 

[Ryan Hauck]

God has been created many times through out history, take your pick, unless you want the Truth of God , Let God speak for God Self

And God does, through the Healed Minds of the world. I suppose a distinction has to be made. God and I are not two, but One. There is not God AND Man... Just God, living through and as Man.

AUM

 

[blackbelt1961]

What Jesus and other Masters have revealed to mankind came from a life dedicated to Truth. How many Christians, Buddhists, Hindu's, Muslims, etc are Dedicated to the Truth (which is accompanied with humbleness, and compassion) for the sake of Everyone?

we all speak of Truth, Pilate asked what is truth, philosophers argue about truth , but who has seen Truth?

Jesus was not a Christian, he was the Christ.



AUM

and Christians Know This He was a Jewish Rabi , christian means follower of Christ