BetteTheRed ------YourQuote---- And it does matter to how you read the text if you think Paul wasn't the author. It means looking at what we think are the true Paul letters as sort of a gold standard of Paul's thought, and then examining carefully where the theology of the "pseudo'Paul" letters fits in.
unsafe says ------As I have said to you before ---If you wrote this statement ----- The epistle to the Ephesians - this is another of the disputed letters.
Was it by Paul? Or was a follower of Paul, rest written a few years after his death in Rome?
I would have understood why you would be confused as to who wrote this Epistle as you are Spiritually Blind ---
you by your own admission don't claim to be a True Christ--ian ------Seeler on the other hand claims to be a True Christ--ian who has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and has said in previous posts that she is directed by the Holy Spirit to write what she does -----Seeler is saying she has the light in her yet she posts like she is in the dark --Spiritual Blindness is great in our Churches today --------
The Holy Spirit will NEVER ---NEVER Direct anyone to write anything contrary to what the scripture says --
unsafe says and posted Scripture ----Ephesians 1 tells us who the author is -----very plain statement here
Ephesians 1 (ERV)
1
Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle because that is what God wanted.
To God’s holy people living in Ephesus, believers who belong to Christ Jesus.
2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
unsafe says -----The Scripture says quite plainly who the Author is -------So the Holy Spirit would never Direct Seeler to say otherwise --Seeler is reading and listening to whoever says these things that contradicts the Word ------We either believe the Scripture or we don't --you don't cause your in this world and Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers and that is scriptural ------
This comment Seeler makes is a Statement -----it is not asking --it is telling -----
rest written a few years after his death in Rome?
Where does she get this from ------
it is not the person Seeler ---it is her thinking that is wrong-----She is reading and taking what Man Some Scholars believe ----so either she believes Man or she believes God's word which says it is truth and God inspired not written by man himself -----The Holy Spirit would enlighten her to believe God's word ---Period
According to many again speculation this letter as well as others were written when Paul was in prison ----not after his death --If Paul didn't write these Letters himself God would have said so in His Word -------
unsafe says ---------I got this from here ----anyone can read all for themselves --I just posted this part --------
Paul and the Ephesians (high definition video)
Authorship
A number of modern scholars have suggested that Paul did not actually write this letter. Instead, they have argued that Ephesians was written by one of Paul's students in order to continue Paul's legacy and apply his teaching in new ways.
But there is great reason to reject this notion. For one thing, the letter states that it was written by Paul. Listen to the words of Ephesians 1:1:
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus (
Ephesians 1:1).
Now, it is true that in the early church, some false teachers forged letters under the names of other people.
But whenever the church discovered a letter to be a forgery, they rejected it. Listen to Paul's teaching on this matter in
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3:
We ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us … Don't let anyone deceive you in any way (
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3).
It is simply too hard to believe that an admirer or student of Paul would have contradicted Paul's own teaching by forging his name in this manner.
Beyond this, Ephesians closely resembles Paul's other letters in both doctrine and language.
The connections are especially strong with Colossians, which should not surprise us since Paul probably wrote them both at about the same time. These connections are so powerful and natural that even if Paul had not stated his name in the letter, it is difficult to imagine the church ever crediting it to anyone else.
Finally, according to Acts 19–21, Paul had planted the church in Ephesus, and he had lived in Ephesus for two years. And even after that time, he had continued to maintain close relationships with its elders.
It is simply unimaginable that the Ephesians would not have recognized this letter as a forgery. And similarly unimaginable is the idea that the early church would not have rooted out a forgery supposedly sent from such a prominent apostle to such a prominent church.
unsafe says and posted scripture ---
Here is what God Says about people who twist scripture to suit themselves -----read the Chapter if you wish ---I posted the link
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 4 - Easy-to-Read Version
2 Timothy 4 (ERV)
3 The time will come when people will not listen to the true teaching.
But people will find more and more teachers who please them. They will find teachers who say what they want to hear.
4
People will stop listening to the truth.
They will begin to follow the teaching in false stories. 5 But you should control yourself at all times. When troubles come, accept them. Do the work of telling the Good News. Do all the duties of a servant of God.
unsafe says and posted ---- Here is more you can read ----
What Does the Bible Say About Twisting Gods Word?
100 scriptures
Twisting Gods Word
unsafe says -----The Bible says it is the Word of Truth ----it says it was God Inspired ---It says that no Prophecy in His Book was written by Man ------ So this is all True Christ-ians have to go by ---we either believe or we don't ----If we don't then we should Question our Salvation in my opinion ------there is no inbetween when it comes to belief -----your either in the light or your in the dark -------
unsafe says ----the scripture doesn't actually say where Paul wrote these letters that I know of ---so many men believe they were written when he was in in prison ------
So this is an area where we just don't know -----but We know for sure Paul was alive when he wrote these letters ----no where does it say in scripture that his followers wrote these letters after Paul died -----This is twisting scripture to say what it doesn't say -----it bring confusion to others who are reading the post --------
Obviously God didn't think it was that important to tell us where these were written but it was important to tell who the Author was ------
read here
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