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Seeler -----Your Quote -----Now we come to Paul's letters to the Corinthians. We don't know how many letters he wrote to the church there, perhaps as many as four. Parts of some of them may have been incorporated into the two letters that we do have.


unsafe says -----again all speculation ----- there is nothing in scripture that says that some of other letters might have been incorporated into any scripture that is in God's word ----- if we are going to use speculation then we should give where we got the information from cause information that comes from our own minds does not come from the Holy Spirit it comes from human speculation --------

unsafe says and posted article below ----This is an article I found that contradicts the above quote in Seeler's post ----read all at link provided -----

HOW MANY LETTERS DID PAUL WRITE TO THE CHURCH AT CORINTH?
May 14, 2018 by Monte Shanks, Ph.D.

HOW MANY LETTERS DID PAUL WRITE TO THE CHURCH AT CORINTH?

As student’s read Paul’s letters to the church at Corinth, and then read the discussions of some scholars on the subject, they are often confused with respect to how many letters did Paul write to the church at Corinth, as well as the chronology of when he wrote them. Moreover, as they begin to investigate the history of the epistles found in the New Testament sometimes they get frustrated by the discover that the early church did not preserve everything that the apostles wrote, and this is especially true with Paul’s letters to the church at Corinth. Some scholars postulate that Paul wrote at least 4 different letters to the Corinthians, and some even assert that 2 Corinthians is really a redaction that merges 2 different letters so that they appear as a single letter. I will suggest in this blog that this is simply not the case, and I will argue that it is most probable that although Paul did write many personal letters to people at different churches, he only wrote 2 “general epistles” to the church at Corinth, and both of them are contained in the New Testament.

unsafe says ----

The truth is we don't know --and if it is not in scripture to tell us then God didn't deem it necessary to know and it doesn't change what God says about His word being Truth --------by putting what we think and mixing it with truth leads to confusion and that happened in
Ephesus, a riot broke out ------unsafe says -------mixing truth with the world's view brought confusion and aggression


Seelers Quote from Post # 933 ----------
Meanwhile in Ephesus, a riot broke out. It had its roots in economics. Before Paul came, the silversmith had been very successful in making and selling idols to the Gentile gods. Business slacked off when many were converted to Christianity.
 
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.(A few posts above) unsafe reminds us that there are several ways to interpret Scripture depending on what supplementary reading you do.
However we have moved on. I have a medical appointment this morning and must go; I hope to be back later in the day to do today's post.
 
Seeler ---Your Quote here ------.(A few posts above) unsafe reminds us that there are several ways to interpret Scripture depending on what supplementary reading you do.


unsafe says
-----Now you make this claim Seeler ----Now back it up -----show me where I said that there are several ways to interpret scripture ---depending on what supplementary reading you do -----


unsafe says
------I went all the way back to page 38 and read my posts ---couldn't find any that said what You quote me as saying ----


unsafe says
----I did find this Post I did ---Page 38 Post #749 ---reposting here below ----it actually contradicts what you say I said ------

unsafe says -----This is actually Your Quote Here that I quoted on my Post -----it is to do with The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard

Seeler --- your quote -----There are several ways of looking at this parable. Was it fair? Did the landowner have the right to decide how much he would pay each person? What would a modern-day union have to say about the situation?


This is My Response -----------unsafe says ---there might be several ways to look at this Parable in the Worldly sense ----But there is only one way to Look at This Parable in the Spiritual Sense

unsafe posted
From Page 38 Post 749

Matthew 20 (GNT)

The Workers in the Vineyard
20 “The Kingdom of heaven is like this. Once there was a man who went out early in the morning to hire some men to work in his vineyard.


Seeler---- your quote -----There are several ways of looking at this parable. Was it fair? Did the landowner have the right to decide how much he would pay each person? What would a modern-day union have to say about the situation?

unsafe says ---there might be several ways to look at this Parable in the Worldly sense ----But there is only one way to Look at This Parable in the Spiritual Sense ------this Parable contains the Phrase again -------verse 16 ----16 And Jesus concluded, “So those who are last will be first, and those who are first will be last.”

Matthew 20 ----the parable of the worker ---Spiritually is about what the Kingdom of Heaven is like -------Line one tells us that -----
 
In the essence ... all scents stinks to someone because of our ... imperfect constructs ... individualism that is not respected by those that see only one way ... thus the train may approach alternately for the crush!

Love is like that ... with wrath ...
 
Again unsafe shows us that there are other ways of interpreting scripture including her way which she thinks is the only one.
 
Again unsafe shows us that there are other ways of interpreting scripture including her way which she thinks is the only one.

Perfection is my way ... yours is the highway ... and thus she says begone ... and thus interpretive scents went out with a stink ... later found in the back seats ... pede 's PEW? Stinking learning ... how we hate such change! Damned spot Toby in ... period!
 
Seeler ---Your Quote -----Again unsafe shows us that there are other ways of interpreting scripture including her way which she thinks is the only one.

unsafe says Again -----Show me the Proof Seeler ---Still waiting ------


unsafe asks ------


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Evidence? Evidence?. Go back and read through the thread. It is evident to me that your purpose for being here is to discount everything I read and comment on while reading the Bible, and to give your own interpretation which is very different from mine. It reminds me of the 'people from Judea' following Paul around and hounding him, discrediting his teachings among the very followers he had taught.
I have no interest in arguing with you in this thread. I will skip over and ignore anything further you post here. If you would like you are welcome to start another thread to state your point of view and your interpretation as you read through the Bible in its entirety. I invite you to entitle your thread "Why Seeler is wrong in her understanding and interpretation and why my interpretation is the only right one".
 
Seeler -----unsafe says ----you can ignore what I post all you want to ----it doesn't matter to me but when you make personal comments like this one you make below -----I will be posting as you are making it sound like your correcting God's word and who are you to be doing that ------These Scholars can only speculate --they don't know the truth either ----

Seeler -----Your Quote -----Now we come to Paul's letters to the Corinthians. We don't know how many letters he wrote to the church there, perhaps as many as four. Parts of some of them may have been incorporated into the two letters that we do have.


unsafe says ---
Your speculating and you never give where you got this information from -----anything you can say like what you have above I can counteract it with another article ----you would have been better off to leave it at -----We don't know how many letters he wrote to the church -----unsafe says ----that is right ---we just don't know


unsafe says ---
the rest of your quote here is you speculating and inserting your own interpretation on what you think ---not facts ---- and you are making it sound like God's word is really not true ------when the word itself says it is truth and was inspired by God -----


Your Resolution to read God's word should stick to the facts that are in the word --not personal additions or speculations ----- when I see a contradiction to what the Word says --I will be pointing it out -----so you can ignore all you want to ----Your posting on a public form and all people can comment on your posts as far as I know -----
 
Seeler ---Your Quote -----Again unsafe shows us that there are other ways of interpreting scripture including her way which she thinks is the only one.

unsafe says Again -----Show me the Proof Seeler ---Still waiting ------


unsafe asks ------


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One must listen to ones elf ... like an OBI or even nOBI in deep space as a bump in the night! Are elvs demonic?

As a rule of Law handed down by God's representative on earth ... could god be wrong or just the word of mankind as passed on ... much redacted as time causes evolution?

Evolution is a flat out lie to those taking the word as a shallow surface ... and nothing beyond that ... as god is not deep ... only allegory ... bloody odd?
 
Your Resolution to read God's word should stick to the facts that are in the word --not personal additions or speculations

I find this a very interesting statement.

First, you use the word "should" against another person. "Should" yourself as much as you'd like, but don't place your burdens on another's shoulders. Seeler "should" approach the text HOWEVER THE HELL SHE WANTS TO. And it's "her" thread - she started it - dear Goddes, but you're an arrogant woman sometimes.

Secondly, you seem bizarrely disturbed by the facts (nice historical, well-researched facts that you can find on your own if you venture farther than GotQuestions and the more pious commentaries from BlueLetterBible) that many of us take for granted - that the scriptures of the Christian and Jewish traditions are like a library comprising all sorts of sources put together in many different ways. The canon as we know it was assembled from quite a wide variety of choices of gospels, apocalyptic literature, wisdom literature, poetry, letters, from a wide variety of sources - from ancient Semitic people, probably drawing on much earlier oral tradition, to first century Jewish Romans, like Paul, and an accompanying tradition that had completely different values around copyright, verified authorship, plagiarism, than we are accustomed to today.

Gotta ask you, unsafe, do you read the "original" bible - the Catholic one with the Apocrypha, or do you restrict yourself to the "Protestant" bible? How do you justify that choice?
 
BetteTheRed ------your quote ----- Seeler "should" approach the text HOWEVER THE HELL SHE WANTS TO. And it's "her" thread - she started it - dear Goddes, but you're an arrogant woman sometimes.

unsafe says -----Seeler can write as she wishes but if she makes a statement like this -----Seeler -----Your Quote -----Now we come to Paul's letters to the Corinthians. We don't know how many letters he wrote to the church there, perhaps as many as four. Parts of some of them may have been incorporated into the two letters that we do have.


unsafe says -----then I will comment on her making a unsupported claim about scripture --She can write what she wants ---but I can post my concerns with what she has posted ---she is posting on a public form -----and I am posting on her contradiction God's word ------

She is claiming this on her own merit --she gives no information on where she got this from ----and this is claim is only speculation there is no proof from anyone to say Paul wrote possibly 4 letters and some were copied to be incorporated into the 2 letters that are Posted in the Scripture -------

unsafe says ---This is God's word she is speculation on -----There are 2 letters from Paul to the Corinthians posted in the Bible in 1 Corinthians 1 and 2 ----no where in scripture does it say anything about other letters that may have been put together IN THESE 2 ------

Now BetteTheRed God Himself says this about His word ------and if you --Seeler or anyone else wants to argue with this Scripture ---TALK TO GOD NOT ME -------PERIOD

John 17:17 (AMPC)
17 Sanctify them [purify, consecrate, separate them for Yourself, make them holy] by the Truth; Your Word is Truth.

unsafe says -----Now BetteTheRed ---what is it you don't understand here in this scripture ------Your Word is Truth.-----

Here is more proof that God's word is Truth below----------- Seeler is saying God's word is not truth and letters are all incorporated into 2 letters ---This is a False Claim by her ---she has no proof of this being done ----so she is wrongly dividing God's word and she is making false claims that she can't back up with truth -----and worse she gives no links to say where she got this from ------so she is posting it like she just came up with this herself -----which I doubt


unsafe says
and posted ------Read Then All Here for Yourself

24 Bible verses about God's Word Is True

24 Bible Verses about
God's Word Is True
Most Relevant Verses

'>Psalm 119:160
The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting.


'>2 Samuel 7:28
"Now, O Lord GOD, You are God, and Your words are truth, and You have promised this good thing to Your servant.


unsafe says -----She claims to have the Holy Spirit BetteTheRed and the Holy Spirit will never direct anyone to post or Print or say anything that goes against God's word ------And That Is The Truth -----------------------------------


Now BetteTheRed as far as your comment about me goes -------your quote here -----but you're an arrogant woman sometimes.


unsafe say ----What you or anyone else on this sight thinks of me think of me makes no difference to me ---- I am not here to get all the likes I can or to gain friends ---I am here to Get God's word Out and I will comment on posts that contradicts What the Bible says --

unsafe says ---I always post where I get my info from so people can read it for themselves -----


unsafe posted ----you either believe --or you don't ------

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Gotta ask you, unsafe, do you read the "original" bible - the Catholic one with the Apocrypha, or do you restrict yourself to the "Protestant" bible? How do you justify that choice?

Perhaps you missed this question. Which book is "The Word of God For All Time"?
 
Perhaps you missed this question. Which book is "The Word of God For All Time"?

On this the word may go on for some bit because of emotionalism ... an essence quite different that solar cognizance as a stab in the heartlands ... when emotionalism Pans out? Tis allegorical they state in some texts ...

Consider the similarity to allayl ... phonetically!

Mentally one begins to feel in the dark ... shadowlands?
 
BetteTheRed ------Your Quote -----Perhaps you missed this question. Which book is "The Word of God For All Time"?

unsafe says
The one and only Bible ----which contains God's truth ---His Word is Truth According to God Himself ------you can argue till the cows come home ----for me God's word is Truth ----and God gave His Children the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who is God and God would not tell anyone to contradict what He says in His word ------anyone who does contradict God's word who says they have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is according to scripture A False Prophet ---Period -----The Holy Spirit Does Not Fly around picking certain People to Light on ---He indwells us--- we who have received Jesus as our Lord and Saviour -----this is all according to God's truth ------don't come to me with problems about scripture -----It says it is truth----Now you prove it isn't God's truth ----PROVE THIS and I will definitely have a look at your Proof ----I have my Proof by and through Faith ---that is belief in what the Scripture says ------that is truth and God will do as He says cause the word says it is ALIVE and Active today -------- which I believe and know it is cause I do the word BetteTheRed ------- and the word Works ------
 
Some of you may have been busy wondering where I've been; I have been busy away from WC2 were medical appointments, physiotherapy etc. and I haven't posted here for a few days. But I haven' forgotten my commitment to reading the Bible all the way through. I've been reading.
You may remember a few weeks ago I made the following post.
When I started this reading near the beginning of th
e year, it was my intention to read it as though I was reading it through for the first time. I found this impossible. I am a part of all that I have been. Many of the stories were familiar to me from Sunday school; reading and discussion of the Bible in youth group; courses I have taken at University or through my church; books I have read and seminars I have attended; as well as discussions on WC and WC2.
Because I consider ideas and information I have absorbed over a lifetime to be part of who I am, I have not referred back to the original writers and made direct quotes or given credit. I am making an exception for something I read and studied in a small discussion group almost a decade ago. I pulled out the book from my reference book shelves "The First Paul" by Borg and Crossan to check a quotation, and found myself rereading the entire book.
Although most of the vessels found in the Scriptures are credited to Paul, many theologians and scholars now realize that Paul most likely did not write them all they have divided them into three groups: almost definitely Paul, possibly Paul, and almost definitely not Paul.
Definitely Paul: Romans, first and second Corinthians, first Thessalonians, Galatians, Philippians, and Philemon.
Possibly Paul: Ephesians, Colossians, and second Thessalonians.
Not Paul: first and second Timothy and Titus.
Borg and Crossan refer to these three divisions as radical Paul, conservative Paul, and reactionary Paul.
 
Not only are the letters divided into three groups, there is evidence that these letters are not all in their original form. Some may be combinations of two or three letters. Others may include material from elsewhere inserted into the letter.

"The First Paul" tells us that, 'scholars have suggested that certain units within the seven original Pauline letters were inserted at a later date. This is only considered persuasive within scholarship if certain criteria are met. Here are the main ones. First, the text before and after it should read as well or better with the alleged insert removed. Second there should be objective evidence of problems with it's presence within the manuscript tradition. Finally contradict other authentic texts from the author.'

With this in mind I have read the rest of first Corinthians.
 
A Paul Line excursion if one can weave with the large flaw in the midst ... by those creating a corrupted story on creation and evolution ... as perhaps an edifice (fascist lost in a swirl)! Tis a thin line ... those that will study everything and the concept of nothing ... a knockout condition?

Who could do this to mankind ... assexual drawing or druids in the pool as nyphms ... water spirits that flower?

All this with a pulse of light in the dark Ness ...
 
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