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Both Matthew and Luke reported that Jesus and his disciples were picking (harvesting) grain while walking through a field on the sabbath day. The Pharisees criticized for doing this.

Mark skips this story then all three gospels tell a story of Jesus healing a man with a crippled hand. This also happened on the Sabbath. Again he was criticized and the Pharisees plot to destroy him.

Matthew reports that the Jesus moved on followed by a crowd. Quoting Isaiah Jesus told them to keep quiet about who he is. Today's reading from Matthew stops here.


Mark also speaks of the crowd that followed Jesus. He healed many but told them not to spread the word of who he was. Next Mark reports Jesus called the disciples: Simon Peter, James John Andrew Philip Bartholomew Matthew Thomas James also speaks of the son of Alpheus Thaddeus and St. Simon the Canaanite and Judas.
It seems that while many people followed Jesus others thought he was possessed. Even his own family tried to restrain him but he denied them and claimed his followers for his family.


Luke also reports Jesus calling the disciples. Then he preaches his sermon on the plain which is similar to the sermon on the Mount in Matthew, beginning with the beatitudes and ending with the parable of the houses on the rock and one on the sand..


It is the call to see how these passages are connected other than the stories of working on the Sabbath. We will see what comes next.
 
One really gets the sense at times of the writers sorting through the many stories that were floating around the community about Jesus. Each one picks the ones that fit their sense of things and how they want to tell the story. Some stories were important enough to all that they all picked up on them, sometimes with variations. Others seem to have only spoken to one or two. Of course, when only one writer tells a story, then one has to wonder if it was really one they picked up, or if they spun something new or expanded on a fragmentary or apocryphal account. Whether any of the stories really happened was likely less important for them than what it said about Jesus and the community's beliefs about him. The crucifixion and Resurrection would seem to be the one exception to that, not surprisingly, though even those accounts vary between writers. Loving your commentaries, @Seeler .
 
Seeler said:
Both Matthew and Luke reported that Jesus and his disciples were picking (harvesting) grain while walking through a field on the sabbath day. The Pharisees criticized for doing this.

Mark skips this story then all three gospels tell a story of Jesus healing a man with a crippled hand. This also happened on the Sabbath. Again he was criticized and the Pharisees plot to destroy him.

Matthew reports that the Jesus moved on followed by a crowd. Quoting Isaiah Jesus told them to keep quiet about who he is. Today's reading from Matthew stops here.


Mark also speaks of the crowd that followed Jesus. He healed many but told them not to spread the word of who he was. Next Mark reports Jesus called the disciples: Simon Peter, James John Andrew Philip Bartholomew Matthew Thomas James also speaks of the son of Alpheus Thaddeus and St. Simon the Canaanite and Judas.
It seems that while many people followed Jesus others thought he was possessed. Even his own family tried to restrain him but he denied them and claimed his followers for his family.


Luke also reports Jesus calling the disciples. Then he preaches his sermon on the plain which is similar to the sermon on the Mount in Matthew, beginning with the beatitudes and ending with the parable of the houses on the rock and one on the sand..


It is the call to see how these passages are connected other than the stories of working on the Sabbath. We will see what comes next.
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Well ingrained myths in the light of the subject with Luc' the clear one ... can't be observed as working as de Deuced? A type of archetypal induction as Caduceus was in Rome? Corruptible passions ... mourning stars? Them's dark ...
 
AS expected, today's reading is Matthew's sermon on the Mount. Found in Matthew beginning in chapter 5 the reading is three chapters long and therefore it's a whole day we’re reading. It begins with the Beatitudes, and continues through many familiar sayings. Jesus assures the people that he has not come to replace the law but to fill it. He gives many examples such as "you have heard it said ... But I say ..." The sermon ends with the parable of the two houses one built on sand and the other on a rock.

In many ways it is similar to Luke's sermon on the plain but an expanded version.

I think this indicates that both Matthew and Luke were working from the same source.


Like many people at one time I thought the four gospels were written by the four people whose names they bare. Now I understand that Mark was written first and that Matthew and Luke used Mark as a source. Since nothing in Mark to parallel these sermons, I presume that they used another source. When Matthew and Luke are similar, but Mark doesn’t have a corresponding piece, it is believed that they also have the source called Q that each used independent of the other. In today’s reading Matthew is much longer than Luke. He no doubt used some of his own resources as well as Q.


I don’t believe that either of these ‘sermons’ were preached as a single sermon either on a mountain or a plain. Rather they were each a collection of shorter sayings spoken at various times and places, and gathered together into a single message.


Sometimes Matthew’s version is compared to Moses giving the ten commandments from the mountainside. God’s covenant with the people renewed by Jesus.
 
Sermon on the mount ... a heap of interpretation given the varied perspectives by facets of the world view ... the darker unconscious mind? Expresses what we don't know for sure ... thus attired ... fabrication!

We must create abstraction as we go based on Theo-Ray ... intellectual gusts ... gests of Eire?
 
Matthew begins with a short story about the healing of a man with leprosy. He instructs the man not to tell anybody but to go and show himself to the priest and make the usual sacrifice.


Matthew then continues with the story of the healing of the Roman officer’s servant. Luke 7 opens with the story. Since this story does not appear in Mark I would assume that it is from the Q source. Several unusual thing about this story are the fact that this was a Gentile requesting my feeling for another Gentile and that Jesus was able to heal from a distance without even going to the house. Today’s reading from Matthew ends with the story.


Luke continues on with the story of Jesus raising the widow of the Nain’s son from the dead.


Next Luke tells of John the Baptist sending people to inquire whether Jesus is the one he has been waiting for or should they wait for someone else. Jesus answers that they should tell John what they have seen – the blind see again, the lame walk, lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the poor have the good news preached to them. Then Jesus turns to his followers and the crowds as praises John the Baptist. Jesus compares the doubters to children playing in the marketplace.


Wow Jesus is having dinner with the Pharisee a woman at his house and anoint him with oil and weeping wipes his speed and dries them with her hair he is criticized for this and answers with the parable about forgiveness of debt.
 
Gospel of Matthew' skips Luke's story of the raising of the widow's son.

Using its own material Matthew continues with Jesus the denouncing some of the towns where the miracles have taken place. Matthew then inserts a short theological prayer of praise before ending this chapter with the well-known call "come unto me all you who labour and are heavy laden..."
 
It is time to get back to this. But I've been away. And it is hard to concentrate when visiting with six people.
Reading from Matthew 12 versus 22 to 50.
Jesus heals a disturbed man; a man possessed by demons. He is accused I the Pharisees of the working with Beelzebub which leads to a discussion between Jesus and the Pharisees Which includes some well-known phrases of Jesus: a house divided against itself, those who are not with me are against me,A tree is recognized by its fruit. (Interestingly, the Gospel of Matthew reverses Mark's claim that Jesus said, "whoever it is not against me is for me".)
When Jesus mother and brothers showed up wanting to take him home you refused to meet with them. He claimed that his followers were his family.

Despite having missed a week or so, I am still considerably ahead on reading the Bible in a year. Today's reading was scheduled for October 14.
Next reading Matthew 13 and Luke 8.
 
Matthew 13 contains PARABLES:
The parable of the sower;
The parable of the weeds; and the parables of the Kingdom. At the disciples request Jesus explains the meaning behind the parables. As I understand the Jesus seminar considered that Jesus parables were probably authentic but the explanations were probably made by the early church; referring back to the prophecy of Isaiah which said that people would hear but not understand. Myself, I think that Jesus told the parable and expected people to take from them what was and what they were able to. I see many meanings behind the parables.
Matthew 13 ends with a short section about Jesus returning to Nazareth and preaching in the synagogue. People were amazed at his wisdom but then questioned "isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mothers name Mary, are not his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Are not his sisters with us?
When the people took offense at him he said "a prophet is not without honour except in his own town". And because of their lack of faith that very few miracles were done.
I think that this makes it quite clear that Jesus grew up in a family of at least five boys and several girls, and not as an only child.
 
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This is a great bible study tool. Dr. Bill Creasey walks you through the entire bible and teaches it well. He has travelled throughout the Middle East and can give you a lot of eye witness facts. The whole bible study set looks like it is $79.00 and there is 50% off. So only $40. You can easily spend $40 on a bible, but if you listen to Bill before reading your bible, he really brings it to life, and you will get multi times more out of reading your bible. Even just genealogies become far more interesting.
 
The opening of Luke 8 parallels the opening of Matthew 13. It begins with the parable of the sower and the explanation for. It. Luke then inserts a paragraph about a lamp on the stand as follows with Jesus mother and brothers wanting to see him but he declaring
his followers are his mother and brothers.
The similarity between Matthew and Luke this time indicates that they were both referring to the Q document.
Luke diverts from Matthew to tell the story of the coming of the sea.
Luke also has a story of Jesus restoring a demon possessed man (was this the same demon possessed man that Matthew referred to?) In Luke's story the man lived among the tombs and then as the demons left the man they went into a herd of pigs that rushed down and drowned in the late.
Next Jesus raised the dead girl the daughter of Jairus after taking time to heal a woman with a bloodied discharge.
It seems that there were many stories of miraculous healing. The Jesus have a healing touch, or did the warmth of his love and concern strengthen and encourage the people? Did the stories grow in the time the event was said to have occurred at the time when Luke wrote his gospel, approximately 60 or 70 years?
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 -----Great video thanks for posting ------anyone can read the Logos word but not everyone can understand the real message and the creativity behind spoken words they read and speak ----- which is the Rhema word ---


Rhema Definition
RHEMA Definition

Thayer's Greek Definitions defines the word as something that has been uttered, in either the past or the present, by a living entity.

The first time Rhema is used in the New Testament is during Jesus' forty-day temptation by Satan. Jesus, after being tempted to feed himself through a miracle after fasting for a long period, responds with the following.

But He (Jesus) answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word (Rhema) that proceeds out of the mouth of God.'" (Matthew 4:4, HBFV)

Interestingly, the word Rhema occurs at least seventy times in the New Testament Greek text. The books that use it the most are the gospel of Luke (19 times), followed by the book of Acts (14 times), then the gospel of John (12 times). In the King James Bible, the Greek word

Rhema is many times translated as "word(s)" (Matthew 4:4, 18:16, Mark 14:72, etc.).

It is also translated as "saying(s)" (Mark 9:32, Luke 1:65, etc.)

and "thing" (Luke 2:15, Acts 5:32).


unsafe says and posted definition -----God said let there be light and what God commanded by speaking came into being -----

The Hebrew word is Dabar --------The word dabar (Hebrew: דבר) means "word", "talk" or "thing" in Hebrew. ... The Septuagint, the oldest translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek, uses the terms rhema and logos as equivalents and uses both for dabar.

unsafe says
Jesus spoke --he uttered words - to a tree a fig tree and the words accomplished what Jesus commanded ----the word lives and creates what is commanded ---this applies to us today ==
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
Course Catalog Index

This is a great bible study tool. Dr. Bill Creasey walks you through the entire bible and teaches it well. He has travelled throughout the Middle East and can give you a lot of eye witness facts. The whole bible study set looks like it is $79.00 and there is 50% off. So only $40. You can easily spend $40 on a bible, but if you listen to Bill before reading your bible, he really brings it to life, and you will get multi times more out of reading your bible. Even just genealogies become far more interesting.
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I get a lot more out of a passage of scripture if there are a bunch of people talking about it, so that I get all kinds of opinions, which I then contemplate until I settle with the meaning that it has for me, right now. What I have found, very consistently, is that what I get out of a passage is NOT THE SAME THING as it was three years ago, or six years ago, or 9 years ago, which implies to me that I will get something different out of it when I encounter it 3 years hence.
 
Some open heart and open mind required to crack the stones though ... break up the institution as an edifice to some hero-god icon ... like avarice personified!

Thus more understanding of civil socialism! That won;t go over well ... given the gravity ...
 
Thanks for your input. The best discussions happen when a group of people contribute their knowledge or understanding, or ask tough questio
 
When I first started this thread, I considered following some guide. I checked several out online, but decided to rely on the Spirit to guide me. I had read the Bible before but often in bits & pieces, and not as a whole. So with the Spirit, and my own background of a lifetime of study that has become part of my understanding, I ventured out. Often I find something that I hadn't noticed in previous readings; sometimes I get a sudden insight that a passage read in context has an entirely different message than that traditionally given. Sometimes depending on where I am on my life journey, a particular passage leaps out at me, certainly I don't read it with the same eyes that I read it with twenty-five or sixty years ago.
 
The next reading is Matthew 8:14 to 34 – Mark chapters 4 and 5
this is a long reading for one day.
Matthew chapter 8 is about healings preformed by Jesus. Verse 14 begins the story of Jesus healing Peter's mother-in-law – indicating to me that at least some of the disciples were married (if Peter had a mother-in-law he must've had a wife and probably a home and children.) That adds another dimension to a group of men wandering about the countryside doing good.
As Jesus continued to perform miracles more people wish to join this group. When Jesus pointed out the sacrifices they would be making some fellow way.
Next comes the report of Jesus calming the sea, as told also by Luke. Then the story of the demons cast out of the possessed man (Matthew has to processed men) and entering the pigs that then rushed into the sea.
I tried to picture the scene – a large herd of pigs watched over by a group of swine-herdsmen.
These men are careless; perhaps they have been drinking, intent on gambling, or have let themselves fall asleep. They don't notice when a large group of men from across the sea love their boat on shore and approach to men who are known to be out of their minds. Demon possessed. The troubled man began shouting at the stranger's. Suddenly one of the pigs panics and without the overseers calming them the whole herd runs amok, over an embankment and into the sea. The herdsmen are afraid they will be in trouble. As they entered the town and the owners of the sheep about with them to examine the site, you find that the two troubled men have calm down and are speaking quietly with the strangers. So the story develops. The leader of the strangers name Jesus is cast as the demons out of the troubled man and into the pigs. It is not the herdsmen's fault.
It is easy to see how this miracle story might have developed.
 
Now we turn back to Mark chapters 4 and 5. Mark also contains parables; of the sower and the seed. And parables of the Kingdom including the amusing story of the mustard seed. Then Mark tells the coming of the sea,c and the of the possessed man.
Next to of the healing of the little girl and of the woman with the hemorrhage.
The stories are so similar to those we read yesterday from Matthew and Luke and again today from Matthew, that I now believe Matthew and Luke were both using Mark as their source, rather than Q.
It would be interesting to have each parable or story lined up in parallel columns from the three gospels so that we could compare their similarities and differences.
 
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