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Donald Trump is rallying the American people with the slogan of "putting America first". This is his battle cry as he builds walls, increases military spending, seeks to reduce immigration and scraps many environmental policies, etc.....

But is this a Christian or even a moral stand to take for any nation? America has appeared to have been losing it's status as the most powerful nation in the world long before Trump came along. Once known as the nation that other nations could count on to answer the call during a crisis through natural disasters in the world, it now seems to be concentrating on recapturing it's former glory by concentrating on serving it's own best interests and restoring it's own crumbling infrastructures and rampant poverty. And yes America has also been the creator of many wars and conflicts.

So my questions are these:

Is this a correct Christian or moral stand for a nation to follow according to the teachings of Jesus or your own particular belief system?

Is it ever necessary to concentrate on ones own peoples best interests in order to once again become viable enough to help others or should compassion,giving and helping to others outside of one's circle, not be interrupted by even a nations poverty?

The DOW has risen and car companies are listening to Trumps new initiatives, will Christians see this as a sign of God's approval or as an anti Christian success story, if material prosperity does follow?
 
OP comment ------ Donald Trump is rallying the American people with the slogan of "putting America first". This is his battle cry as he builds walls, increases military spending, seeks to reduce immigration and scraps many environmental policies, etc.....

with the slogan of "putting America first". -----My view here ---Satan is all about me first and the economic system we are under is all about greed and power -----Ego is me first ------not saying Donald Trump is Satan now just for the record but he is influenced by human nature and the me first concept and power and greed system he lives under as do all the countries --- it is not just America that wants to be first The Human nature and power and greed is in all countries we live in a fallen world period ------Just because the Presidents use the Bible and quote a scripture now and then and say they are Christians doesn't mean they know God personally who is the only one who can change the fallen nature of man and the corrupt worldly system we live in ----So Trump is acting the way he should in his fleshly nature ---- me first and my country first ---Greed and Power will always come first in this fallen world ----Jesus is the only one who will and can fix it and He will in the end ------until then Ego --Greed and Power will reign over all Nations -----


This below is from this article ---Please Note : unsafe did not write this article the person listed below did ----if you have any concerns or comments about the article direct them to this person not me ----I posted the list below from the article as it pertains to the worldly corrupt system we are under ----
Peter Goodgame
February 10, 2013 ----
www.redmoonrising.com-http://www.redmoonrising.com/globalcapitalism.htm

The corrupt foundations of Capitalism:
  • Love NOT thy Neighbor
  • The Love of Money
  • Lust, Lust, Pride (1 John 2:16)
  • Covetousness (Luke 12:15)
  • Competition (James 4:1-4)
  • Consumerism (Revelation 3:17-18 and 18:11-15)
  • Urbanization (Isaiah 14:21)

This is another article on Washington DC ----read all here if interested ----http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter3/-you can believe it or not -----
Washington D.C. and Masonic/Luciferic Symbology.
 
Does isolation appear as a sod broken away from aulde England as a Celtic Hole (then called this Ron, or Don ... even Lon Don'd Eire air as a howl out there separated as the sod went down in a flurry of economic isolationism ... just for the love of IDe ... monis! --- William Black ... or any John Dunne in by a gamble on love alone without knowing ... nothing ... in the polity of socialism unbalanced!

From this can one gather anything? Get a grip mon ...
 
Putting me first in Russia ------All about Self --Greed and Power ----Keeping God out is the order of it all -----

Putin Worth $200 Billion, Was 'Stealing As Much Money As He Could' Says Investor

this is just a paragraph from this article that I did not write ------read all here ----http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/_200_billion_putin_s_reign_has_been_about_stealing_as_much_money_as_he_could_says_investor

How did the Russian President amass so much wealth? Browder on SaturdaytoldCNN's Fareed Zakaria that "the first eight or 10 years of Putin's reign over Russia, it was about stealing as much money as he could. And some people, including myself, believe that he's the richest man in the world, or one of the richest men in the world, with hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth that was stolen from Russia."

Now Wealthy Kevin O'Leary in Canada is making His mark in politics trying to be the next Trump ------all about me first and his campaign will be I am sure ---make Canada great again -----all in the name of this fallen world--- all do to us humans who have abandoned God and think we ourselves are the answer to bring back the world and make it right again ------boy are we blinded by the darkness of this world ------Sad
 
blackbelt1961 said:
my point is that there are tons of views from the other side that are pro Trump , pro life which is a christian view
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Pro power, pro wealth, pro ... and then there is A'mos IDe ... just, mere-Zae, humble subtle ... po'ly understood by the rich and powerful who hate the power of word ... you little people: "just shut up!"
 
blackbelt1961 said:
my point is that there are tons of views from the other side that are pro Trump , pro life which is a christian view
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Of course pro-life is a Christian view - Jesus came to give us life in all its fullness. Is there anyone here who is anti-life?

Of course when I claim to be pro-life, I don't mean that I am anti-choice - and I realize that sometimes people are called upon to make difficult choices.
How about supporting women in providing sex education and information in how to care for their bodies
Promoting respect and self-determination for women
Insisting that men take responsibility for their sperm
Providing birth control
Supporting choice
Providing pre-natal and post-natal care
Providing support for mothers and children
Providing childcare, education, nutrition, etc. for all children

It seems to me that that would be the pro-life stance that Jesus would support. He never said anything about abortion.
 
Seeler said:
Of course pro-life is a Christian view - Jesus came to give us life in all its fullness. Is there anyone here who is anti-life?

Of course when I claim to be pro-life, I don't mean that I am anti-choice - and I realize that sometimes people are called upon to make difficult choices.
How about supporting women in providing sex education and information in how to care for their bodies
Promoting respect and self-determination for women
Insisting that men take responsibility for their sperm
Providing birth control
Supporting choice
Providing pre-natal and post-natal care
Providing support for mothers and children
Providing childcare, education, nutrition, etc. for all children

It seems to me that that would be the pro-life stance that Jesus would support. He never said anything about abortion.
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FYI It was mentioned in the Didache: (an anonymous 1st century treatise)

"do not murder a child by abortion, or kill a newborn infant".

I am pro choice, and I believe Jesus/God is too.
 
Seeler said:
Of course pro-life is a Christian view - Jesus came to give us life in all its fullness. Is there anyone here who is anti-life?

How about supporting women in providing sex education and information in how to care for their bodies
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It seems to me that that would be the pro-life stance that Jesus would support. He never said anything about abortion.[/QUOTE]

I am pro life, and yes the bible does speak about life in the womb , I also understand that we live in a fallen world and things are not so black and white, that there are situations and that grace and mercy are needed to the mothers
 
unsafe said:
Interesting article here from Got Questions for those interested

Is it possible to be Christian and pro-choice at the same time?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-pro-choice.html
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I don't usually get caught up in this type of argument. From the first paragraph it was easy to see how biased it is.
But I had time, so I read through it.
I happened to have my Bible within arm's reach without getting up, so I decided to check a Bible reference.
The writer claims that Exodus 21: 22 and 23 say that if two men are fighting and a pregnant woman is injured and aborts, then the one responsible shall be put to death, a life for a life.

I read in RSV Ex. 21: 22 - if two people are fighting and a pregnant woman is injured so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.
So, if the woman simply loses the baby but is not seriously harmed herself, it's the husband who determines what that baby might have been worth to him. First baby, and he hopes for a son, he might demand a lot. Tenth baby, and developed enough to be identified as a girl - heck, just give me a sheep in repayment and let's be friends.

But apparently if the woman also dies, or suffers grevious injury according to vs. 22, the husband has suffered further loss and may demand the death penalty. A life for a life.

By the way, this follows a paragraph (VS 20) that says that if a slaveowner whips a slave so severely that he dies the following day, there is no punishment for the slave is the owner's property.

Pretty poor argument against abortion if you ask me.
 
Seeler said:
I don't usually get caught up in this type of argument. From the first paragraph it was easy to see how biased it is.
But I had time, so I read through it.
I happened to have my Bible within arm's reach without getting up, so I decided to check a Bible reference.
The writer claims that Exodus 21: 22 and 23 say that if two men are fighting and a pregnant woman is injured and aborts, then the one responsible shall be put to death, a life for a life.

I read in RSV Ex. 21: 22 - if two people are fighting and a pregnant woman is injured so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.
So, if the woman simply loses the baby but is not seriously harmed herself, it's the husband who determines what that baby might have been worth to him. First baby, and he hopes for a son, he might demand a lot. Tenth baby, and developed enough to be identified as a girl - heck, just give me a sheep in repayment and let's be friends.

But apparently if the woman also dies, or suffers grevious injury according to vs. 22, the husband has suffered further loss and may demand the death penalty. A life for a life.

By the way, this follows a paragraph (VS 20) that says that if a slaveowner whips a slave so severely that he dies the following day, there is no punishment for the slave is the owner's property.

Pretty poor argument against abortion if you ask me.
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if you read all the versions of that verse it speaks about premature birth not death to the child except the Julibee Bible, what is common through all is that there is life in the womb
 
I noticed that the gotQuestions.org web site fails to make reference to what Christians call the New Covenant. Does this mean they are ok with implementing all of "God's moral laws"? Which of course would including all those things like diet, clothing circumcision, slavery, rituals, tithing, Sabbath, etc? And don't forget all the punishments that should be inflicted upon those that fail them? What a wonderful world that would be.

The quote from Jeremiah 1:5, where he says "before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you", as an argument for anti-abortionists to me only accentuates the fact that religion (still) blindly refuses to accept the doctrine reincarnation. The body is a temple, and there's no doubt in my mind that this should never be forgotten or misused. But the Soul, also known as the Higher Mind, of that temple existed before the temple was formed and will continue to exist after that temple is destroyed. The temple, through us, is God's way of experiencing awareness in the physical plane. It should always be respected. But it's still just a temple, destroying it could never destroy the Soul.
 
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