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Hermann said:
Why not? After all, we humans are energy, and to experience ourselves as such is entirely plausible. And prior to the Big Bang we were energy that had not yet split itself into opposites. The energy before the Big Bang was nondualistic energy, if you will. We, the collective cosmic we, are the totality of energy, right back to before the Big Bang, before space-time. And some of this nondualistc energy might still be around, and still be inseparably united with the split and chaotic space-time energy of which we human beings are but one of many forms.

If, as many philosophers speculate, reality is an an ultimate state of nonduality or synthesis, then it does not seem far-fetched or unnatural for us to experience this state. Indeed, I think and feel--from personal experience!--that mystical experience is experiencing ourselves as the indivisible, unnameable, self-generative singularity of eternal energy of which we are an inseparable part and which we ultimately are.


The TAO that can be told is not the TAO.
-Lao Tsu


The TAO that can be experienced is the TAO.
-Hermann
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I did qualify that by saying "scientifically speaking", Hermann. Everything you have said here is speculation that belongs to the realm of philosophy (metaphysics) at this point. It does not even reach the status of hypothesis science-wise. At least the theory about our 3D universe originating from a black hole in a 4D universe, while it sounds way out, actually includes a prediction that can be used to test the hypothesis.
 
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I did qualify that by saying "scientifically speaking", Hermann. Everything you have said here is speculation that belongs to the realm of philosophy (metaphysics) at this point. It does not even reach the status of hypothesis science-wise. At least the theory about our 3D universe originating from a black hole in a 4D universe, while it sounds way out, actually includes a prediction that can be used to test the hypothesis.
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Yes, of course.

But experience, although entirely subjective, counts for something, too. Especially if reality is in an ultimate state of synthesis, which is beyond analytical comprehension and thus not provable or testable as a scientific hypothesis, except, perhaps, by inference.
 
and so then some of the theological implications (more Mind Blow here):

that means that Jesus hasn't yet died on the cross & done the saving
and is being born by the rape of Mary...
and hasn't yet saved humanity
and hasn't been baptized by John...
and Adam & Eve haven't been kicked out of the garden...

apply that to the other Holy Books that focus on Historicity...

for more Mind Blow

here's physicist Kip Thorne answering a question on what Space-Time is; it might take a few listens

some of the phrases mentioned:
Minkowski is a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Minkowski

so i am also being born
and breaking my wrist at 12
and being sick at Kal Lake during the summer
and being mistaken for my mom's husband in Paris when I was 13
and also am dead

more investigations into the Arrow of Time issue ('why does a broken egg stay broken and not the other way if the laws of physics are reversible?') via Sean Carroll's popular science book on the subject "From Eternity to Here"; honest investigations into very, very tough questions

http://preposterousuniverse.com/eternitytohere/faq.html
http://preposterousuniverse.com/eternitytohere/


ps yes, science has meaningful things to say aboot 'outside of space-time'
 
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so, Minkowski's block universe

more mind blow:

a discussion between Jim Holt & John Leslie aboot John Leslie's work on, using his abilities at science & philosophy, such things as immortality & how universe began

another fine discussion between people who want to discuss and not win! woo-hoo!

http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/1367
 
If we humans are energy, or consist of energy, which is an acknowledged scientific fact, and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, which is also scientifically acknowledged, then why should we not experience ourselves as the energy that we are?

And if the energy that we are can neither be created nor destroyed, then it has always been there, and will always be there, with no beginning and no end. Beginninglessness and endlessness, is this not timelessness? And if we experience ourselves as the pure energy that we are, would we not also experience the timelessness in which pure energy is implicated?

Sure, this may be metaphysics, or science-based speculative philosophy, but speculative philosophy is at the leading edge of science. Much of what is considered scientific fact today was metaphysics yesterday, and what is metaphysics today could become the physical fact of tomorrow. There is a fine and wandering line separating speculation from fact. The fine line is, of course, scientific proof. Any hypothesis has to undergo the rigorous tests of the scientific method in order to become acknowledged scientific fact.

There is also the possibility that what we consider "scientific fact" is actually a self-created illusion. If we set the parameters by which a hypothesis is tested, then truth becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The truth of any observation cannot be totally objective, it is an interaction between observer and observed, which changes with the viewpoint of the observer. If truth is relative to the viewpoint of the observer, and this viewpoint is arbitrarily chosen by the observer, then the resulting truth is also arbitrarily chosen by the observer.

What's more, the universe might well be in a state of inseparability, non-duality, unity or synthesis, in which case it cannot be comprehended by analysis alone. Then the analysis of realty is only the analysis. If reality is in a state of synthesis, then analysis does not and cannot convey the absolute Truth about reality because analysis is antithetical to synthesis. If this is so, then ultimate Truth can only be felt, experienced or intuited. Nevertheless, the scientific method is the most reliable method we humans have yet come up with to determine truth. But even scientific truth is constantly shifting.


Above, not a tile to cover your head;
Below, not an inch of ground to stand on.
-Zen proverb
 
We need to think in terms of energy and unity but I don't believe we can do either of those things correctly until we contact the soul within. We are physical expressions of an eternal soul, like shadows of an eternal and inner light. When science discovers this fact and religions give it more credence than they do today, then we will have a world united.
 
Neo said:
We need to think in terms of energy and unity but I don't believe we can do either of those things correctly until we contact the soul within. We are physical expressions of an eternal soul, like shadows of an eternal and inner light. When science discovers this fact and religions give it more credence than they do today, then we will have a world united.
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The soul, then, would be the awareness of the singularity, or the awarenss of our at-one-ment with the singularity, slumbering deeply and innately within us. Once it is awakened and duly acknowledged by all, then we as a species are back in the paradise that we always were in.

More and more people are discovering this. Once a certain critical mass has discovered IT, they will take all of humanity with them into paradise. THE Rapture, eh? :)
 
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Hermann said:
The soul, then, would be the awareness of the singularity, or the awarenss of our at-one-ment with the singularity, slumbering deeply and innately within us. Once it is awakened and duly acknowledged by all, then we as a species are back in the paradise that we always were in.

More and more people are discovering this. Once a certain critical mass has discovered IT, they will take all of humanity with them into paradise. THE Rapture, eh? :)
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Yes, from what I understand of it, the soul is only group conscious. Diversity in unity comes from the atonement of the individuality and it's source.
 
Yes, Neo, at-one-ment is a group consciousness or universal consciousness, the full awareness of all being one; that's why our species as a whole must attain it in order for it to become effective. Maybe this is what is meant by the references to Jesus as the "Son of Man": representing all of humanity.

That's why at-one-ment and atonement, with and without the hyphens, means the same. Our worst sin is the illusion of separateness, and we must atone for our sin of separateness by becoming One.


Hear, oh Israel, your Lord, our God, is One.

-Ancient Jewish Prayer
 
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a bit of more 'pale blue dotting'

this time, putting time in perspective

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--from "Putting Time in Perspective"
 
it also looks like we humans have arisen in the particular time of Earth's age where she is dying, completely naturally as biological productivity continues to decrease

notes: the cambrian explosion is the name given to a time a mere 543 million years ago when 'suddenly' (in geologic terms) the global diversity of life became very numerous and complex after eons of relatively simple life...
so what one sees on the small scale disappears when one takes a larger scale look, into deeper time

all of this helps keep me and be able to laugh at the things i can get annoyed at

like having to wait in line, or who is currently in power, or gas prices, or someone insulting me, or a traffic jam; on a large enough scale, it really doesn't matter -- tiny scale human beings can be such egoists...Jesus said 'look at the bigger scale and laugh, cause its happenin'
 
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I think the moment is out of time. It has no definable length; it has no future; it has no past; it just is: experience: pure experience: the experience of the timeless, eternal moment.

So, if we want to be forever, let us experience the pure, timeless, eternal moment!


I'm not into time...

-Cheech and Chong
 
If not into time ... would one be beyond IT? This is inexplicable to those that couldn't conceive of such alien things like resurrection of a blown psyche (plural form of mind and soul mentioned in Matthew 22:37)? Someone said if we get this right all the rest falls in place ... descent or dissention as related to Freudian concerns about obsessive compulsive behavior (OCPD) that suppresses stuff of the psyche in a rant that could require venting?

It is best to do this silently in the shadow of physical gods ... so you won't loose your head in the process of conjuring up despised intellect ... that may come in waves as po' ET ihcs! Is it possible for the mortal piece to differentiate between ET'IHC and Morals behavior in de poe'L without MOB behaviour? This may loop as MOB yus!
 
Syntax IHC all contextual -ism? Such is buried in God or so the word goes'd! Tis a dark essence ... a mire Shadow of past thought?
 
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