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Northwind said:
You'll need to be more specific. Describe medical tyranny in your own words.
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Describe your own words in your own words and be specific. Do not use anyone else's words ... only the words that are your own. Which words are yours and which words are mine. Explain to me how masks are effective at preventing the spread of viruses and explain to me what a virus is ... use only your own words.
 
I don't know why I expect any specifics from you Rita. You're good at making broad alarmist statements and not so good at backing them up. You asked me what I thought of medical tyranny. I asked for your definition. I'm still waiting. I'm not holding my breath..... :confused:
 
Seriously, Rita, people are asked to wear a mask and become violent ( see ou own video you are quoting about the lady who slammed the officer’s head against concrete) because they don’t want to give their name. In Austria a bus driver was beaten into a coma, because he asked people to wear a mask when entering the bus, which are the conditions for rendering this service.
If someone who was caught shoplifting or riding without a bus ticket reacted like that -assaulting people, most people would know right from wrong. Police officers also have a right of not being assaulted.
Countries like Italy and Spain had very restricted rules for a certain amount of time because people did not change their behaviour voluntarily to reduce the spread. They do not have these rules anymore and their people are free to leave the house. Australia will also change the rules when infection numbers are down and people will be able to do stuff, wearing a mask.
 
Suggesting that wearing a mask is a form of medical tyranny is ridiculous. It's hard to take such an argument seriously. It's too bad really, because there are reasons to be concerned about how powers will use this virus.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Seriously, Rita, people are asked to wear a mask and become violent ( see ou own video you are quoting about the lady who slammed the officer’s head against concrete) because they don’t want to give their name.
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Watch the video that I posted ... the lady did not slam anyones head ... she was resisting being held in a choke hold. If in your mind you accept that lethally armed officers have the right to choke and assault someone because she refused to give her name ... then you are exactly the same person that condones rule by force. Do not think that you can dismiss the police behavior with your 'what about'... the video that I posted clearly demonstrates that the two officers in a 'power' position abused their privilege of serving and protecting. This woman was assaulted and restrained by two armed officers of the law. Put yourself in her position. She really did nothing 'violent' yet she was physically assaulted and held against her will ... even when it was revealed that she had a medical exemption for not wearing a mask ... they continued to assault her in front of her partner and others who if they would try to come to her defense would risk escalating the officers to the point that they might 'lawfully' draw their weapons and shoot someone. That other people somewhere else unjustifiably beat someone else up does not excuse the level of force that was exerted on this young woman. If the two people that exerted such force on her were not police officers and armed ... would it be wrong of her to try to defend herself? If two thugs came up to her and asked her name and she refused .... should they be able to forcibly arrest her and demand that she not resist and that her partner and onlookers back away and wait till more armed and dangerous thugs came to assist them in continuing their assault. There is no excuse for the officers involved in the video that I posted ... that you would try to justify it is quite alarming to me. Banality of Evil ... anyone?
 
I am seriously thinking about abandoning the mask in favour of a niquab-type arrangement once winter gets here, or trying a neck gaiter. Also, there's a little plastic gadget (a mask bracket) you can buy in pkgs of 6 or something (damned Amazon, I'm sure), that keeps your mask a little away from your face, thus rendering fogging and heat less of a problem, while increasing your audibility. Or you could get a clever nerd with a 3-D printer to print you one, if you have one of those in your life.
 
Also, do I think the Oz police were excessive? Yes, but that's got nothing to do with medical tyranny and everything to do with police culture. I've seen similarly excessive behaviour from my own police force up here in Banal Dullsville, we see horrifying examples of it every day in the U.S.

It's a problem that could be solved by "defunding police" (yes, unarmed by-law enforcement officers should be "enforcing" quarantine type rules, not cops), by re-allocating police resources to resources that would alleviate addiction/mental health/domestic violence situations in more productive ways. Not suggesting that everyone can make up their own mind "how/why to quarantine after exposure" and "how/why we've currently added masks to shoes, shirts (and pants), as mandatory shopping attire."
 
Northwind said:
Suggesting that wearing a mask is a form of medical tyranny is ridiculous. It's hard to take such an argument seriously. It's too bad really, because there are reasons to be concerned about how powers will use this virus.
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If she doesn’t wear a mask, I won’t be safe.

If she acquires the infection and recovers, you will be safer than you were before. Unless you are routinely pounced on by sneezing strangers, you can wear your own mask and maintain your distance. You don’t need any help from anyone else. Established science says that masks and distancing don’t work, anyway — COVID-19 spontaneously shows up on naval ships 49 days into isolation, and similar viruses have appeared during the 17th week of perfect Antarctic quarantines.

If you feel like you’re doing something 'benevolent' by wearing a mask ... I am not stopping you ... condoning and excusing violence against those who do not wear face coverings ... that is medical tyranny.
 
BetteTheRed said:
that's got nothing to do with medical tyranny and everything to do with police culture.
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In this case it has everything to do with medical tyranny ... she was assaulted because she resisted giving her 'papers please' which was made an offense under 'medical tyranny'
At the very beginning of this video and I quote:
  • This is clearly the biggest job, the biggest commitment that we have at the moment, it is the most important commitment for the Victoria Police, and that is enforcing the Chief Health Officer guidelines - Shane Patton Vic Police Chief Commissioner
He goes on to explain all the initiatives implemented to do that.
Upwards of 1500 Police out there every day as they should be 'enforcing' Medical directives.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I am seriously thinking about abandoning the mask in favour of a niquab-type arrangement once winter gets here, or trying a neck gaiter. Also, there's a little plastic gadget (a mask bracket) you can buy in pkgs of 6 or something (damned Amazon, I'm sure), that keeps your mask a little away from your face, thus rendering fogging and heat less of a problem, while increasing your audibility. Or you could get a clever nerd with a 3-D printer to print you one, if you have one of those in your life.
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Yes fashion accessories can be a lot of fun can't they. Nice to have access to so many lucrative innovations.
 
Ritafee said:
In this case it has everything to do with medical tyranny ... she was assaulted because she resisted giving her 'papers please' which was made an offense under 'medical tyranny'
At the very beginning of this video and I quote:
  • This is clearly the biggest job, the biggest commitment that we have at the moment, it is the most important commitment for the Victoria Police, and that is enforcing the Chief Health Officer guidelines - Shane Patton Vic Police Chief Commissioner
He goes on to explain all the initiatives implemented to do that.
Upwards of 1500 Police out there every day as they should be 'enforcing' Medical directives.
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Yes, and if they had stopped her for speeding and she refused to roll down the window and show her drivers licence, they probably would smash the window , too. Why should she get away with breaking rules because she refuses to identify herself. And the violence against the female officer mentioned in this video is very likely not the same incidence as the one in the other video. You also can’t tell from a video of an arrest what happened before the arrest.
I am not defending police brutality, but you seem to be defending brutality against police and you still have not come up with any solution how rules are to be enforced if people do not follow them.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
I am not defending police brutality,
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That is a lie ... if you are defending the police brutality in the video I posted based on your assumption that she deserved it because she refused to give her ID ...
Mrs.Anteater said:
You also can’t tell from a video of an arrest what happened before the arrest.
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And yet ... I can find out what happened by looking it up ... which I did ... and her raising the finger whatever that means ... does not warrant the brutality enacted on her in the name of enforcing a rule that should never have been implemented in the first place. You are delusional if you think it was justified just because it was made legal. There is no defense for what the 'officers' did ... I am not being sidetracked by your 'need to enforce' compliance with unjust laws.
 
To err is human. Admitting this is noble and altruistic, while persisting on course despite red flags is pathological and damaging. We should all aspire to be like Socrates, who understood his human fallibilities: “I know that I am intelligent because I know that I know nothing.”

There is no shame in falling for such a sophisticated propaganda scheme. Most people did. A few shining stars have since emerged to admit their mistake, quietly adopting the Swedish approach.
 
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