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Ritafee said:
My own cultural criteria says that if it is not good for me it is not good for anyone else.
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And that's a bit wyrd. Tell that to a person who might live in South East Asia, who might be Confucian, or something more practical, and communal/community oriented.
 
Ritafee said:
This is ahead of Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews’ pledge to end Stage Four lockdown on September 13 – but he has repeatedly warned that could be extended at any time.

Melburnians threaten a revolution to resemble Eureka Stockade.

Melburnians vow to take to the streets to protest ANY Stage Four lockdown extension.
  • Tens of thousands of Melburnians are planning to protest further lockdown
  • Angry Melburnians are being singled out by organisers using social media
  • The exact location of the protest remains a secret in an effort to confuse police
  • More than 11,000 people have already expressed interest in the protest
  • Another 6500 have indicated they will attend the protest in Melbourne
By Wayne Flower, Melbourne Correspondent
Published: 23:50 EDT, 20 August 2020 | Updated: 00:02 EDT, 21 August 2020
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Well seeing as Melbourne is a city of 5 million, that's to be expected......not everyone will agree, but sounds like the majority do.
 
OK, Rita, here is the classic "social" dilemma around medical tyranny.

Child has parents who are JW. Child needs transfusion to live. Does child die because of adults' decisions?
 
BetteTheRed said:
OK, Rita, here is the classic "social" dilemma around medical tyranny.

Child has parents who are JW. Child needs transfusion to live. Does child die because of adults' decisions?
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Let's look at the big picture:
The Nuremburg Code
  1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
    This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
  2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
  3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
  4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
  5. No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the
    experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
  6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
  7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
  8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
  9. During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the experiment seemed to him to be impossible.
  10. During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
 
In other words you are practicing medical tyranny by suggesting you alone know what is right or wrong.
 
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