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Yes it is. and we have nude beaches. And I love them

but for the most part we follow society norms. And that is fine. We don’t feel infringed upon. If we want to swim in the nude we look for nude beaches or secluded beaches

same with masks. For now it is a society expectation that we attempt to protect each other as best as we can. And for those ho don’t choose to participate you can on line shop and avoid indoor spaces and hence you won’t need to wear one
 
I am not sure I understand why you wear a seat belt because of finances. The risk of being stopped by police for any infraction is small and the idea that they notice you not wearing a belt is slim. And even then it is a fine, not a criminal charge
 
Insurance is so that if you have an accident that disables me, you won’t be out of pocket for my life time of medical costs.
 
I am not sure I understand why you wear a seat belt because of finances.
Seriously ... In Manitoba, wearing your seatbelt is a law and you can be penalized for not wearing it. We have one of the highest fines in the country ($300 and two demerits) against unbelted drivers. A driver can also be ticketed $299.65 for each passenger under the age of 18 who is not properly buckled up, either with a seat belt or in a child car seat.
 
Right but the chance of being caught is slim.


in Ontario masks are mandatory for inside public spaces. Simple. You don’t want to wear one don’t go inside. You can order virtually anything

do they help? I think it depends on lots of factors. But we know they don’t hurt. So what is the harm

I like the article about the U.K. doctor who wore a mask and a oxygen monitor to assess what his oxygen levels wer like on a marathon run. No oxygen issues

we Do a lot of things for the greater good. Isn’t this just another
 
same with masks.

I think masks are different though. They are health & safety gear. A bathing suit is just about maintaining a minimum level of modesty and no one lands in the ICU because someone else didn't wear one (baring some really strange freak accident).
 
While 120 countries in the world, including much of Europe, have ordered citizens to wear masks in public places to prevent the spread of Covid-19, the Dutch are doing things differently.

Let's hope it's not another mistake in the making....like Sweden, when social distancing and lockdowns were considered a personal decision....they certainly paid for that decision.


And the evidence is starting to point to masks being more effective against COVID for those wearing them than not. Remember, we're learning as we go.

 
I like the article about the U.K. doctor who wore a mask and a oxygen monitor to assess what his oxygen levels wer like on a marathon run. No oxygen issues
Guess you don't like this one then ...
A Chinese man's left lung has collapsed after he jogged for two and a half miles while wearing a face mask.

The 26-year-old resident, known by his alias Zhang Ping, was rushed to the Wuhan Central Hospital on May 7 after he became breathless and started suffering severe chest pain.

The doctors found that Mr Zhang's left lung was punctured and shrunk by 90 per cent. They believed the condition was caused by the high pressure in the man's organ due to the fact that he carried out intense exercising while wearing a mask.
 
Let's hope it's not another mistake in the making....like Sweden, when social distancing and lockdowns were considered a personal decision....they certainly paid for that decision.
 
Manipulating the data in your favor works both ways.
I'm just presenting studies that support masks because I wouldn't want people on this thread to be overly influenced by one way of thinking.....surely even you would want to know all of the scientific evidence in support of both views?
Any way do as you like......go without a mask when shopping, or out in public......if it's that important to you then pay the fine and I hope you rest easy knowing that you may be contributing to a spread of COVID to the vulnerable.....or not. Next time you walk into a hospital don't wear a mask either and especially don't wear one when you go into a school, church, library, or store.
 
Not sure why you posted this.....do you feel it supports Swedens initial decision to not lockdown or shut down businesses, etc? Because reading the article tells us a different story......their death rates and spread of COVID didn't begin to decline until they did follow the guidelines set by other countries surrounding their borders. They were months behind before their numbers started to level off compared to others countries who started earlier to practice lockdowns and social distancing. Many lives that were lost or changed forever could have been prevented.
 
Many lives that were lost or changed forever could have been prevented.
That is probably true in all countries in all times.

This is why I posted the article ...
Sweden's policies are still unusual

Sweden has these concerns without having eased its restrictions.

Its plan was designed to be long-term: it avoided a strict lockdown so the regime could continue for months on end without causing great damage, or demoralizing people so much that they gave up following the rules.

But now, because Sweden hasn't eased its rules even as other countries started to reopen, in some respects its restrictions are harsher than elsewhere.

Norway, for example, now allows some gatherings of up to 200 people, while Sweden is still at 50.

The one area that Sweden remains an outlier is its policy on masks.

Most countries are encouraging citizens to wear them, and many have made them mandatory in shops and public transport.

Sweden has no such requirements and its Public Health Agency says that face masks are "not needed in everyday life."

Swedish officials argue that time will prove their strategy correct, provided the nation avoids the spikes that can come with easing restrictions, or fatigued citizens deciding to ignore them.

As many Swedish experts previously told Business Insider, whether the strategy was the right call will only be known in time.
 
Guess you don't like this one then ...
A Chinese man's left lung has collapsed after he jogged for two and a half miles while wearing a face mask.

The 26-year-old resident, known by his alias Zhang Ping, was rushed to the Wuhan Central Hospital on May 7 after he became breathless and started suffering severe chest pain.

The doctors found that Mr Zhang's left lung was punctured and shrunk by 90 per cent. They believed the condition was caused by the high pressure in the man's organ due to the fact that he carried out intense exercising while wearing a mask.

well I find it puzzling to say the least. Wearing a mask is not a pressure creating event. Like say wearing a scuba device
 
I'm just presenting studies that support masks because I wouldn't want people on this thread to be overly influenced by one way of thinking.....surely even you would want to know all of the scientific evidence in support of both views?
Thank you for acknowledging that there are 'at least two' backed by science views to consider.

I am doing my best to consider all the 'evidence' at my disposal keeping in mind:
  • A scientific model is accepted as valid only after it is tested against data from the real world and the evidence supports it. Scientists have most confidence in models that are supported by multiple independent lines of evidence.
Any way do as you like......go without a mask when shopping, or out in public......if it's that important to you then pay the fine and I hope you rest easy knowing that you may be contributing to a spread of COVID to the vulnerable.....or not. Next time you walk into a hospital don't wear a mask either and especially don't wear one when you go into a school, church, library, or store.
What fine?
And why the sarcasm?
 
That is probably true in all countries in all times.

This is why I posted the article ...
Sweden's policies are still unusual

Sweden has these concerns without having eased its restrictions.

Its plan was designed to be long-term: it avoided a strict lockdown so the regime could continue for months on end without causing great damage, or demoralizing people so much that they gave up following the rules.

But now, because Sweden hasn't eased its rules even as other countries started to reopen, in some respects its restrictions are harsher than elsewhere.

Norway, for example, now allows some gatherings of up to 200 people, while Sweden is still at 50.

The one area that Sweden remains an outlier is its policy on masks.

Most countries are encouraging citizens to wear them, and many have made them mandatory in shops and public transport.

Sweden has no such requirements and its Public Health Agency says that face masks are "not needed in everyday life."

Swedish officials argue that time will prove their strategy correct, provided the nation avoids the spikes that can come with easing restrictions, or fatigued citizens deciding to ignore them.

As many Swedish experts previously told Business Insider, whether the strategy was the right call will only be known in time.
Sweden counted on herd immunity.....and there is no such thing with this virus. 4 months immunity possibly but not for life.
Sweden's Public Health Agency says that masks are not required in everyday life? Well so did other countries and most are changing their minds about that......even ours.
5300 deaths in 2 months is nothing to sneeze at.
They're still thinking they're original strategy was right? Well they've lost the confidence of their people on that one.
From your article, most think it was a HORROR show:
 
well I find it puzzling to say the least. Wearing a mask is not a pressure creating event. Like say wearing a scuba device

Research is lacking when it comes to the use and safety of masks—whether it be a surgical mask, N95 respirator, or home-made version of various types of fabric—during physical activity. Yahoo Canada asked Canadian experts to weigh in.

Loren Chiu, associate professor in the Faculty of Kinesiology, Sport and Recreation at the University of Alberta, says that disposable N95 respirators are not designed for large head or neck movements, especially when done rapidly. They may slip, in which case the seal to the face is lost.

“In this regard, they are about as effective as surgical masks which do not form a seal to the face,” Chiu explained. “Possibly, the bigger risk for either respirators or surgical masks is that if they are moving, the wearer may use their hands to adjust them, which may lead to touching their face with contaminated hands, or if they are a virus carrier, contaminating their hands.”

Reusable N95/N99 respirators typically provide a better fit for large head or neck movements, Chiu noted.

“However, if the respirator is functioning appropriately, it will reduce air flow into the breathing chamber, which may be uncomfortable and make it difficult to breathe during intense exercise,” he says.

A better option would be a mask designed specifically for physical activity, such as those that are intended for winter sports, Chiu added. For instance, he has a half face shield and a balaclava that together cover the mouth and nose and are designed to move with the head and neck.

A potential problem with cloth masks of any type is that they will collect moisture from breathing on them.

“It will not take long, particularly if someone is exercising, for the cloth to be saturated with moisture,” Chiu cautioned. “If the wearer is not a virus carrier and the virus is airborne in aerosolized form, it could collect on the wet cloth. Whether this affects the risk of the wearer to breathe in the virus is unknown.”

Another consideration is that wearing a mask or respirator of any sort will result in collection of warm air around the face.

“With warmer temperatures outside, this could increase sweat rate during exercise, as expelling warm air is part of the body's cooling mechanism,” Chiu said. “With increased sweating, there may be an increased tendency to touch one's face.

BOTTOM LINE:
“I would think that wearing a mask while exercising outdoors is a moot point,” he added. “The potential benefits are countered by the drawbacks.”
 
From your article, most think it was a HORROR show:
"Now, some Swedes are beginning to question the strategy, and other countries are managing eased lockdowns without a second wave."

Are the Swedes questioning the strategy ... being forced to follow the strategy?
 
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