No Australia's numbers were low initially, likewise New Zealand.
What's the spying apparatus in Israel?
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What's the spying apparatus in Israel?
ChemGal
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Depends on what the goal is. The provinces with international flights are working to keep healthcare up while also trying to keep outbreaks out of vulnerable areas - hospitals, LTC, reserves, etc. The latter seem to be acknowledged will still happen though, I don't really expect to see restrictions added for the general population across the province unless there were numerous outbreaks hitting vulnerable groups - and of course the hospitals. I haven't heard of guidelines for outbreaks within hospitals but if there was spread like is seen at the Misercordia at more than a few hospitals at a time I would expect to see some changes, even without hitting the numbers for hospitalizations/ICU *for* COVID.Here's a list of the countries that seem to be having a "second wave" of Coronavirus, some after being fairly successful with the first wave, such as Australia and Israel.....did they open too soon?.....are we?
What a resurgence of Covid-19 around the world tells us about the risk of a second wave
Many respiratory disease pandemics hit more than once – but it is not just a winter spike we need to worry aboutwww.telegraph.co.uk
Is that good enough? Depends on one's opinion.
How Israel’s COVID-19 mass surveillance operation works | Brookings
Israel's reliance on Shin Bet's "The Tool" for digital contact tracing is an unprecedented violation of privacy and blow to democracy and human rights.
www.brookings.edu
I guess I posted about it in the tracking thread.
PilgrimsProgress
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Yes - we did open too soon here in Oz. It's the usual health versus economy question.........
Also, even though many twenty/thirty know of the medical consequences most think that it won't be an issue for them. I rarely see that age group either social distancing or wearing a mask.
Hope you're well. It seems Japan's cases are mostly now those under 30 which is attributed to bar gatherings and concerts and such. Seems drinking makes you want to get closer to "socialize" and social distancing is forgotten.
Mrs.Anteater
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If the laundry is the only place you share, would it make sense to go to a laundromat for the two weeks when she is back?
That's going to continue to be a real problem in most countries....haven't heard of anyone providing a realistic alternative to that, have you?
We know better, but it seems not many have good personal savings to fall back on and I'm surprised that it only took 3 months for most businesses to fall apart.....is no one making any money to set aside for any kind of emergency?
Nancy
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Son-in-law's mom just went to emergency department in city near Detroit Michigan....fever since last Saturday, low oxygen levels, rapid heart rate, confusion, general sickness. She is over 65 and a smoker. Gulp. This is scary stuff. She should have gone to the hospital or a doctor sooner but was scared off by news reports saying that everyone we being treated aggressively as though they had covid, even if they didn't. She rarely goes anywhere, but decided to go to a different grocery story a couple of weeks ago.
I personally think neither covid or the economy are out biggest problems. Capitalism and systemic oppression are.
I don't know the figures but most people are a paycheque away from the rug being pulled out from under them. For years before covid. Savings are a privelege.
I don't know the figures but most people are a paycheque away from the rug being pulled out from under them. For years before covid. Savings are a privelege.
She has to come through the kitchen. It's set up so the bedrooms are at opposite ends and everything else is in the middle - as is the stairwell door.
I could do laundry at my parents. I'm already working downstairs at their house. (I haven't been upstairs the entire time, I have a key to the downstairs door, and I just work, clean up and leave. We maintain distance.).
SIL also won't have a laundry schedule because it's too restrictive and we've argued about it already. I don't want to do that again.
My stepbrother is handy. I wish he'd put in an outer door where the laundry room window is. Or build one in the space under the back deck/ sunroom which is in front of the kitchen - so water could be hooked up and machines moved there and the laundry room could become a den/ office/ bedroom.It's not the best arrangement - and I have no say just thinking out loud - but at least they don't use the laundry often. Once a week, usually, they pop in and do it.
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I don't even know if there's a whole 6 ft between me, their bed in the room above mine, and the air vent between our bedrooms upstairs/ downstairs. We're breathing each other's air. I might buy an air filter. Don't know how much help it would be though (can't afford a Dyson just a budget one - GE or Sunbeam or one of the cheaper brands). It might help just generally, for better air quality, but maybe not with covid.
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This says 46% of Canadians are $200 away from financial insolvency. I saw a 2017 figure that said 53%. Nearly half! Only $200!! (at least I feel less alone - maybe the difference between me and people who seem like they have more money, is I don't use credit cards). That's less than a paycheque away. A paycheque is usually every two weeks so there are those $500-2000 away from serious financial trouble, from not being able to pay the rent, too. $2000 savings wouldn't last 3 months. It's barely enough for one month for renters. Capitalism as we know it is the problem. covid only highlights it.
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ChemGal
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I understand feeling uneasy about that, but air doesn't typically go directly from one room to the next, there's usually intake & outtake systems. No evidence yet of it travelling through ventilation systems, the concerns have moreso been with how air moves within a room.
If she ends up having to isolate is she even allowed to use the shared space? I don't even know how that works here with shared laundry let alone there. I know for apartment buildings the shared laundry rooms would be a no.
She's family - I chat with her outside when we see each other, she's home a lot - and it's hard to enforce rental rules like that. I want to live in peace (I like her as a friend, she's creative and quirky - like when she gives piano and opera singing lessens to her cousin abroad on Skype at 7 am - I'm the only one who thinks its a but nuts - kind of hilarious except for the ungodly hour - I feel like a killjoy, like I'm taking candy from a kid if I complain - we are planning to have a yard sale in August and make some art cards for fun, too - the quirky part - she is talented and gifted with artful quirks - is a headache with the practicalities of renting, especially during this time when everybody's home more, though). I don't think they like having renters but they do it anyway. I think though, since it's their house too, and they own it, they can use their laundry room. The laundry room was never exclusively ours down here. Besides, she and my stepbrother, my roommate, and my stepdad to a lesser degree and by his choice (not really my mom, we've kept our distance totally), have been my bubble.
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My understanding is isolation should look the same in a home being shared as it would look in a hospital......so no to using the laundry facilities.
It “should” but it’s not realistic depending on who you live with. What if the laundry is for everyone and it’s their house? It’s not my business to suggest she wash a bunch of clothes and sheets and towels now, to set aside for when she gets back. She wouldn’t take that well, I don’t think. So maybe I should be proactive - have extra clean laundry, do it while she’s away and make it last 2 weeks. I can do that. I’ll survive. I’m not going anywhere fancy. I’m clearing out my closet and some packed away clothes, for the sale, maybe I’ll find more that I can wear. If she comes in (usually 3 times, to put the load in the wash, the dryer, and to collect it from dryer...more times if she’s doing a few loads) I will mostly stay in my room and put my mask on, or go out. I think that’s how I’ll handle it. I can’t manage anybody else, only myself.
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Sounds like a good plan.....
cooking smells - good or bad - travel between the kitchens and bedrooms up and downstairs so I am guessing the same air does move around or we wouldn't smell it. If someone burns food upstairs or down here, it funnels into my room at the front. It's just a regular old house, 5 bedrooms between up and downstairs - no frills except for a few renos they've done. They added the sunroom upstairs. My room is only a couple of years old. I'm guessing the house was built in the 20s or 30s.
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I hope she's okay and that it's something else less dangerous, and easily treatable.
That's too bad. I think though, the more authoritarian it's handled, the more resentful and tempted to flout the rules, people will be. Particularly in previously "free" countries.
Here there have been few actual laws except for travellers, only recommendations that people have voluntarily abided by. And the mantra our well respected provincial health officer/ epidemiologist has been putting out there is "Be kind, be calm, and be safe" - and generally people have. Generally. And that's made a big difference. I grumbled a bit here and in my own head because this pandemic "era" is no fun for anyone - but I too have been practicing that in public.
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