Novel Coronavirus

[Waterfall]

This is usually done by physicians in the hospital- and if they need help with it there are social workers. Considering how busy nurses are, I don’t think they are the right profession to do this.

The nurses are usually the ones doing this in nursing homes and retirement homes with the residents. We can't even send someone to emerg. without advance directives.....one of the first things to be taken care of upon admittance if nothing was signed prior. Family conferences within the facility are also times these directives can be updated....sometimes the doctors are present.
Hospitals? the one I worked in it was part of the admission package.

 

[ChemGal]

The nurses are usually the ones doing this in nursing homes and retirement homes with the residents. We can't even send someone to emerg. without advance directives.....one of the first things to be taken care of upon admittance if nothing was signed prior. Family conferences within the facility are also times these directives can be updated....sometimes the doctors are present.
Hospitals? the one I worked in it was part of the admission package.

Yeah, it really depends where the nurses work, their role, NP, RN, LPN, etc. Nursing is such a wide field.

 

[EasternOrthodox]

I get the impression that your ailments are fairly serious, from your guarded comments (no doubt you don’t to be seen as a complainer.

 

[EasternOrthodox]

No medical officers are mentioning racial genetics in Canada.

The thing is, in a political time such as this it is really dangerous to focus on racial genetics in a pandemic. Don't you get that? It's so easily politicized and dangerous when the genetic factor is a moot point - it's the socioeconomics exacerbating the predisposition to health problems in certain communities. To focus on genetics is colonial kick in the teeth to already hurting communities.

If Americans were so damn interested in public health they would address the socioeconomic conditions that cause so much heart disease and hypertension in certain populations in the first place - not turn around and say more black people are dying of covid because they have hypertention. That's racist. Are they pointing out the pre existing conditions in the middle class white people specifically because they're white - have they narrowed it down to a particular European whiteness or mixed whiteness or people whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower, or recent immigrants from Europe, who've died? Are they asking, is it the British whites, the German whites, the Irish whites, the Slavic whites, the Nordic whites who are more likely to die because of their genetics?...didn't think so.

There’s a good deal of serious thought given to things like hypertension ethnic differences. No one seems to know, from what I’ve read.

But there is one thing certain: the lockdowns have hit the lower socioeconomic groups worse. There’s been a lot more people going to food banks, many of them feeling bad about it, as they never had to go there before. We certainly must try to help them.

 

[EasternOrthodox]

One-Third of All U.S. Coronavirus Deaths
Are Nursing Home Residents or Workers

One-Third of All U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Nursing Home Residents or Workers

In at least 14 states, more than half of coronavirus deaths are tied to long-term care facilities for older adults, according to a New York Times database.

www.nytimes.com

 

[EasternOrthodox]

Question: why are they using ventilators so much when almost nobody survives if they've been put on a ventilator?

I wonder about that too. I don’t know. It’s downright scary.

 

[EasternOrthodox]

This virus is pretty nasty. Here’s a 71-year old man worked with things Ebola in his career.

‘Finally, a virus got me.' Scientist who fought Ebola and HIV reflects on facing death from COVID-19

Top virologist Peter Piot spent 1 week at a London hospital in April and has been recovering at home since

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I wonder about that too. I don’t know. It’s downright scary.

You don't have to be scared for yourself EO. At least right now- unless a second wave hits us harder. Let's hope any second wave fizzles out and look forward to antiviral drugs and vaccines. But for the time being, these are the numbers on Van Is. I recommend checking this page everyday instead of relying on the news which gives a partial picture or a picture of places other than where you live now.

Archived B.C. COVID-19 Data

On this page, you will find links to archived B.C. COVID-19 data.

www.bccdc.ca

Here's a screen shot of one the last daily report chart (from Friday). The link is on the above page.


126 people on Van Is., in total, have had the virus.

5 people, with a median age of 85, have died on Vancouver Island.

1 person is in hospital.

0 are in ICU.

120 have recovered.

There's nobody walking around with it. If there is, it's so mild they're not very sick at all and we're still social distancing here. The chances of you catching it here are remote. If you're still holed up in your home, maybe talk to a counsellor or doctor because it's not healthy either.

If people were getting really sick, more cases of severe illness would be showing up in hospital, but they're not.

We still have to be cautious because it could be brought in from travellers from the mainland - so, until their numbers are much more reduced. But there's no need to be scared.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Population density has a lot to do with it. This isn't a packed urban area. We don't have a subway/ LRT and don't need one here. I haven't even taken the bus in 3 months. With my scooter I don't need to. But even if I could walk long distances or ride a bike - I wouldn't need the bus or transit like I did in Vancouver. Even the "urban" areas are less dense with people (and stopping the flow of US tourism has helped that directly).

(Busses are still necessary if you want to go across town in a reasonable amount of time - have no car and things to carry - or if one has a disability and no alternative - and when the weather is wet and cold - but ridership has been way down and people have been managing without it.)

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

And busses reduce the need for cars, of course. I'm just saying in a smaller place it's less inconvenient to refrain from using the bus. Still inconvenient, but less inconvenient. I used to have a 40-60 minute commute (depending on time of day and smooth connections) in either direction when I lived in Vancouver and worked in Burnaby. That was normal, not a long commute. Here, that's considered a major trip. It's kind of funny. When I lived a 20 minute drive away from most people I knew, here, for a couple of years - they whined and complained about driving "all the way out there" to where I was - which would be nothing in Vancouver. It could take 30 minutes to get 8 or 10 blocks from one end of the major street I lived near (and worked several blocks away for a little while), downtown, to the other, if the bus was busy or there was a bottleneck somewhere. All normal.

The culture is different. Long commutes are normal in Van but people have no patience for line-ups and are more assertive.

Here, nobody likes to drive more than 10 minutes but they will patiently and cheerfully wait in a Starbucks lineup for 20-30 minutes while the staff moves slow. If you ask out loud for them to stop chatting and step it up, because some of us have other places to go or are on a work break, that would be rude. In Van, that would be normal. It took me awhile to re-adapt the the pace. It was baffling. (And despite it seeming rude I am glad I lived there and grew, as I learned, some you-know-what's to speak up, generally. Being in the city made me bolder.)

The downside...Some of those differences could impede social distancing...like line-ups. As with NYC, I assume. I can imagine living in the West End, the most densely populated urban residential area in Western Canada, it must be excruciating for people whose lives normally move a lot faster. The line-ups must be raising blood pressure. But even they are flattening the curve.

 

[EasternOrthodox]

You don't have to be scared for yourself EO. At least right now- unless a second wave hits us harder. Let's hope any second wave fizzles out and look forward to antiviral drugs and vaccines. But for the time being, these are the numbers on Van Is. I recommend checking this page everyday instead of relying on the news which gives a partial picture or a picture of places other than where you live now.

Archived B.C. COVID-19 Data

On this page, you will find links to archived B.C. COVID-19 data.

www.bccdc.ca

Here's a screen shot of one the last daily report chart (from Friday). The link is on the above page.
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126 people on Van Is., in total, have had the virus.

5 people, with a median age of 85, have died on Vancouver Island.

1 person is in hospital.

0 are in ICU.

120 have recovered.

There's nobody walking around with it. If there is, it's so mild they're not very sick at all and we're still social distancing here. The chances of you catching it here are remote. If you're still holed up in your home, maybe talk to a counsellor or doctor because it's not healthy either.

If people were getting really sick, more cases of severe illness would be showing up in hospital, but they're not.

We still have to be cautious because it could be brought in from travellers from the mainland - so, until their numbers are much more reduced. But there's no need to be scared.

Thank you. I‘ve been reading about for weeks now but I hadn’t found the BC data summarized in a table.

I notice they break out female cases. For some unknown reason women are less somewhat likely to die of Covid. There’s a theory that women’s immune systems are slightly different. Women are quite a bit more likely to get autoimmune diseases.

 

[EasternOrthodox]

And busses reduce the need for cars, of course. I'm just saying in a smaller place it's less inconvenient to refrain from using the bus. Still inconvenient, but less inconvenient. I used to have a 40-60 minute commute (depending on time of day and smooth connections) in either direction when I lived in Vancouver and worked in Burnaby. That was normal, not a long commute. Here, that's considered a major trip. It's kind of funny. When I lived a 20 minute drive away from most people I knew, here, for a couple of years - they whined and complained about driving "all the way out there" to where I was - which would be nothing in Vancouver. It could take 30 minutes to get 8 or 10 blocks from one end of the major street I lived near (and worked several blocks away for a little while), downtown, to the other, if the bus was busy or there was a bottleneck somewhere. All normal.

The culture is different. Long commutes are normal in Van but people have no patience for line-ups and are more assertive.

Here, nobody likes to drive more than 10 minutes but they will patiently and cheerfully wait in a Starbucks lineup for 20-30 minutes while the staff moves slow. If you ask out loud for them to stop chatting and step it up, because some of us have other places to go or are on a work break, that would be rude. In Van, that would be normal. It took me awhile to re-adapt the the pace. It was baffling. (And despite it seeming rude I am glad I lived there and grew, as I learned, some you-know-what's to speak up, generally. Being in the city made me bolder.)

The downside...Some of those differences could impede social distancing...like line-ups. As with NYC, I assume. I can imagine living in the West End, the most densely populated urban residential area in Western Canada, it must be excruciating for people whose lives normally move a lot faster. The line-ups must be raising blood pressure. But even they are flattening the curve.

Some big cities (so far I’ve read about only London and Paris) who are hoping to get cars out of the downtown cores completely. There’d be buses and it would be a lot more bike friendly.

Another thing is that companies are discovering Zoom meetings. Zoom is a simple app, but a jazzier app could be developed. Apparently the tech companies in Silicon Valley are all working from home.

One blogger in New York City is wondering if there will be permanent changes. The cost of housing is extremely high in these cities. But the crowds themselves generate some “buzz”, and there are lots of stores in the central cities.

 

[EasternOrthodox]

And busses reduce the need for cars, of course. I'm just saying in a smaller place it's less inconvenient to refrain from using the bus. Still inconvenient, but less inconvenient. I used to have a 40-60 minute commute (depending on time of day and smooth connections) in either direction when I lived in Vancouver and worked in Burnaby. That was normal, not a long commute. Here, that's considered a major trip. It's kind of funny. When I lived a 20 minute drive away from most people I knew, here, for a couple of years - they whined and complained about driving "all the way out there" to where I was - which would be nothing in Vancouver. It could take 30 minutes to get 8 or 10 blocks from one end of the major street I lived near (and worked several blocks away for a little while), downtown, to the other, if the bus was busy or there was a bottleneck somewhere. All normal.

The culture is different. Long commutes are normal in Van but people have no patience for line-ups and are more assertive.

Here, nobody likes to drive more than 10 minutes but they will patiently and cheerfully wait in a Starbucks lineup for 20-30 minutes while the staff moves slow. If you ask out loud for them to stop chatting and step it up, because some of us have other places to go or are on a work break, that would be rude. In Van, that would be normal. It took me awhile to re-adapt the the pace. It was baffling. (And despite it seeming rude I am glad I lived there and grew, as I learned, some you-know-what's to speak up, generally. Being in the city made me bolder.)

The downside...Some of those differences could impede social distancing...like line-ups. As with NYC, I assume. I can imagine living in the West End, the most densely populated urban residential area in Western Canada, it must be excruciating for people whose lives normally move a lot faster. The line-ups must be raising blood pressure. But even they are flattening the curve.

I don’t miss Vancouver at all. It’s my home town but by the 1970s it was starting to get expensive. We bought a small house in Surrey in 1975. The kids were born in ‘76 and ‘78. We worked at UBC (I returned to work in 1980) The commute was awful.

Part of the problem is the city planners failed to realize how big the city would get. Lions Gate was built with 2 lanes (Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco was built around the same time but it has six lanes.

The Deas Island tunnel is only four lanes. It was a choke point when we commuted (there were no buses in Surrey at that time).

I noticed there’s a new bridge and the Pattalo Bridge is going to be replaced (maybe already is, I haven’t been there now for several years).

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Thank you. I‘ve been reading about for weeks now but I hadn’t found the BC data summarized in a table.

I notice they break out female cases. For some unknown reason women are less somewhat likely to die of Covid. There’s a theory that women’s immune systems are slightly different. Women are quite a bit more likely to get autoimmune diseases.

I guess that translates into women's immune systems being more active regularily - keeping viruses out (but still constantly battling non-invaders anyway)?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I don’t miss Vancouver at all. It’s my home town but by the 1970s it was starting to get expensive. We bought a small house in Surrey in 1975. The kids were born in ‘76 and ‘78. We worked at UBC (I returned to work in 1980) The commute was awful.

Part of the problem is the city planners failed to realize how big the city would get. Lions Gate was built with 2 lanes (Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco was built around the same time but it has six lanes.

The Deas Island tunnel is only four lanes. It was a choke point when we commuted (there were no buses in Surrey at that time).

I noticed there’s a new bridge and the Pattalo Bridge is going to be replaced (maybe already is, I haven’t been there now for several years).

I haven't been in a few years. I miss the "buzz" even though I'm an introvert. The buzz got me moving and feeling alive. I miss the fact that nobody is too concerned with what others are doing - people mind their business and don't sweat the small stuff (whereas my parents called the cops on the neighbours having a wedding celebration in their yard with music that went a bit after 11, and the tow truck when someone was parked in the wrong direction. People here feel entitled to other people's business - not so in Van. And nobody cares what you wear or if you're different there.) the same time, during this time I am glad I can get out to fresh open spaces outdoors and am not stuck in a high rise, at home or for work or appointments, sharing busy elevators going several floors, with thousands of people on sidewalks. But I do hope in the next couple of years, I can go back. This is like an extended country vacation/ high school reunion, flash from the past - not a home to me anymore. It hasn't been home since 1996 and I can't accept it as home because it's too close to the reasons I moved away to begin with, and hasn't changed. I have, though.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I haven't been in a few years. I miss the "buzz" even though I'm an introvert. The buzz got me moving and feeling alive. I miss the fact that nobody is too concerned with what others are doing - people mind their business and don't sweat the small stuff (whereas my parents called the cops on the neighbours having a wedding celebration in their yard with music that went a bit after 11, and the tow truck when someone was parked in the wrong direction. People here feel entitled to other people's business - not so in Van. And nobody cares what you wear or if you're different there.) the same time, during this time I am glad I can get out to fresh open spaces outdoors and am not stuck in a high rise, sharing busy elevators going several floors, with thousands of people on sidewalks. But I do hope in the next couple of years, I can go back. This is like an extended country vacation/ high school reunion, flash from the past - not a home to me anymore. It hasn't been home since 1996 and I can't accept it as home because it's too close to the reasons I moved away to begin with, and hasn't changed. I have, though.

You would like Montreal. Whole island has that sort of vibe.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

You would like Montreal. Whole island has that sort of vibe.

Maybe except I don't speak French. I have heard it's a cool place. I wouldn't like it right now. I might not survive it.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Don't need to speak French on most of the Island. My sister-in-law, beloved and smart, has NO language facility. She and I get by fine. It's a just gorgeous place in the summer. REALLY VILE in the winter, weather-wise. SIl, now retired, copes with that via winter in Mexico.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I once got lost, pre-cell phone, on the Island in a bad rain storm. Found myself on one of the edges (like miles away from where I should be, had just headed badly on a detour sign and then totally lost my sense of direction), in a depanneur, with no language skills, no smart phone. She and I figured it out, by gesture, some writing, etc.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

What initiatives are in your area/ Province to help each other out?
Here, one local farm delivers free grocery boxes to people on Sundays.One can contact them oneself, but you can also contact them with the address of someone you know who needs it. One of out Friends is involved in the delivery and says it is a very rewarding experience.
And this is another initiative:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/grocery-delivery-pandemic-st-margarets-bay-seniors-1.5569915

In Berlin, Germany, an anonymous business man has connected with the local radio and they are announcing on the radio to call in if you are in need due to Covid and you can get up to 5000 Euros. They had small businesses needing money for paying rent, single mom’s running out of money, charities who had not enough donations to carry their expenses call in. It’s been going on for several weeks now.