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Ritafee said:
Here is a 'bedside worker' (front line expert) with his experienced assessment of what we are - or are not - dealing with.

For me ... his insight is far more trust worthy of practical consideration than the dogmatic 'statistics' of dogmatic 'models' of dogmatic 'theories' of dogmatic 'experts'.
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Unfortunately, he urges people to do something but he doesn’t have a suggestion on what to do, in fact, he admits that ventilators are still needed, but then says he thinks they are causing the symptoms. I don’t find what he is saying helpful. His comparison with the oxygen level from mountain climbing- is he suggesting that the patients need to be in pressure chambers? It doesn’t make sense to appeal to people without saying what for.
I also found it curious that he kept looking to the left, as if someone standing there was holding a gun to his head.
 
Ritafee said:
Here is a 'bedside worker' (front line expert) with his experienced assessment of what we are - or are not - dealing with.

For me ... his insight is far more trust worthy of practical consideration than the dogmatic 'statistics' of dogmatic 'models' of dogmatic 'theories' of dogmatic 'experts'.
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That's interesting. It fits with some of the information we've been hearing. It sounds like this condition is unlike other lung diseases. I suspect this doctor is not the only one coming up with this hypothesis.

Thanks for sharing this.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Unfortunately, he urges people to do something but he doesn’t have a suggestion on what to do, in fact, he admits that ventilators are still needed, but then says he thinks they are causing the symptoms. I don’t find what he is saying helpful. His comparison with the oxygen level from mountain climbing- is he suggesting that the patients need to be in pressure chambers? It doesn’t make sense to appeal to people without saying what for.
I also found it curious that he kept looking to the left, as if someone standing there was holding a gun to his head.
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He seems to be puzzled by how to treat those patients. Perhaps shifting the paradigm will help find a new treatment. Just thinking out loud here.
 
I was just talking to my father in Ontario. He's 91 and lives in a seniors' apartment building. Apparently he's been confined to quarters because someone in his building is sick.
 
Northwind said:
He seems to be puzzled by how to treat those patients. Perhaps shifting the paradigm will help find a new treatment. Just thinking out loud here.
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I don’t think publishing thoughts before you are done thinking is helpful for the general public- that should be something addressed on the level of medicine. On a general website/ youtube, it just will put oil into the fire of people with conspiracy theories.
 
Ritafee said:
Here is a 'bedside worker' (front line expert) with his experienced assessment of what we are - or are not - dealing with.

For me ... his insight is far more trust worthy of practical consideration than the dogmatic 'statistics' of dogmatic 'models' of dogmatic 'theories' of dogmatic 'experts'.
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This is fake right???? Looks like some kid did it in their kitchen and used the microphone from their garage band.
 
Lastpointe said:
Kimmio. I am sorry that your so uncomfortable with your living conditions. Some of those restrictions do seem quite ridiculous. The person above you doesn’t like noise? Honestly. Get a white noise machine or ear plugs

and I know you are upset at not going out. But as others have said we are collectively trying to help. And you don’t have big responsibilities for dependents either. My niece and her husband are both essential workers. Social work and police. Their one year old can’t go to day care as they are all closed. So they have to rely on grandparents. Even though her father has some underlying conditions. I can’t help because my husband has cancer. And the risk that they could get infected is real

so it’s a real worry and concern.
everyone has worries. Retirees are concerned about suddenly having less money. People wonder if their businesses or jobs will survive. Families worry about the elderly

you don’t like your living situation. I expect this isn’t new so perhaps this stay at home order will help you look fir a better place in the future
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You're right. It's been bad since I got a roommate. I put love into this place and they rented it to somebody who doesn't have good communication skills and is immature about cooperation and courtesy. She's nice enough when we speak but it was a bad match. They were too eager for the rent money to screen better or let me find a good match. But it's worse now that we can't really move about freely without getting closer than 2 meters frequently. It's a small kitchen right beside the bathroom.

And yeah the noise I make is not "noise". It's my bedroom door opening, closet door, my space heater, that kind of thing. The other night he heard buzzing and there was nothing buzzing. Nothing but my light on at 11 pm. I asked if he might have tinnitus and he should get it checked by a doctor. That was cheeky I suppose. He's my step brother. I think he can't sleep when he and his wife aren't getting along and I get scapegoated.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Unfortunately, he urges people to do something but he doesn’t have a suggestion on what to do, in fact, he admits that ventilators are still needed, but then says he thinks they are causing the symptoms. I don’t find what he is saying helpful. His comparison with the oxygen level from mountain climbing- is he suggesting that the patients need to be in pressure chambers? It doesn’t make sense to appeal to people without saying what for.
I also found it curious that he kept looking to the left, as if someone standing there was holding a gun to his head.
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When people mountain climb and they can't breathe because the air is too thin.....they are given oxygen.
 
paradox3 said:
Fair enough. I was just providing an update to something that was being discussed.
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My point was that it is something that we are being encouraged to discuss ...

and then there are the things that we are not allowed to discuss because ... 'conspiracy theory'.

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Northwind said:
That's interesting. It fits with some of the information we've been hearing. It sounds like this condition is unlike other lung diseases. I suspect this doctor is not the only one coming up with this hypothesis.

Thanks for sharing this.
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Mrs.Anteater said:
I don’t think publishing thoughts before you are done thinking is helpful for the general public- that should be something addressed on the level of medicine. On a general website/ youtube, it just will put oil into the fire of people with conspiracy theories.
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Northwind said:
That's true @Mrs.Anteater. And lord knows there's enough conspiracy theories out there.
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Waterfall said:
This is fake right???? Looks like some kid did it in their kitchen and used the microphone from their garage band.
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You see ... What ... he is not agreeing with the 'experts'? He must be a fake. Because nobody ever tells the truth ... if they have not yet been verified by 'the powers that be' as truth tellers.

It could never be possible for someone to think it important enough to risk everything they have worked for to speak 'outside' of the box ... without the benefit of 'corporate solicitation'.

Waterfall said:
When people mountain climb and they can't breathe because the air is too thin.....they are given oxygen.
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And ...?
 
Ritafee said:
You see ... What ... he is not agreeing with the 'experts'? He must be a fake. Because nobody ever tells the truth ... if they have not yet been verified by 'the powers that be' as truth tellers.
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I suspect others are thinking along similar lines. It seems this is not a typical pneumonia. I'm not sure that the truth tellers are as powerful right now when there are so many unknowns.
 
Waterfall said:
This is fake right???? Looks like some kid did it in their kitchen and used the microphone from their garage band.
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      • Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is an emergency medicine physician in Brooklyn, New York and is affiliated with multiple hospitals in the area, including Maimonides Medical Center and WellSpan Gettysburg Hospital. He received his medical degree from Ben Gurion University of the Negev and has been in practice between 6-10 years.
      Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, Emergency Medicine Physician in ...

      health.usnews.com/doctors/cameron-kyle-sidell-739659
  • Plea From NYC ICU Doctor - LewRockwell
    www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/no_author/bombshell...
    18 hours ago · Before publishing his video, we confirmed that Dr. Kyle-Sidell is an emergency medicine physician in Brooklyn and is affiliated with the Maimonides Medical Center located in Brooklyn.
  • Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, Emergency Medicine Physician in ...
    health.usnews.com/doctors/cameron-kyle-sidell-739659
    Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is an emergency medicine physician in Brooklyn, New York and is affiliated with multiple hospitals in the area, including Maimonides Medical Center and WellSpan Gettysburg...
  • NYC doctor says coronavirus ventilator settings are too high
    nypost.com/2020/04/06/nyc-doctor-says-corona...
    4 hours ago · In a video posted on YouTube, Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, an emergency-medicine physician at Maimonides Medical Center, said that “we are putting breathing tubes in people and putting them on...
  • Dr. Cameron Kyle Sidell says COVID-19 is not the cause of the ...
    fromrome.info/2020/04/06/dr-cameron-kyle-sidell...
    Apr 06, 2020 · Dr. Cameron Kyle Sidell says COVID-19 is not the cause of the deaths on ventilators April 6, 2020 From Rome Editor Leave a comment Dr. Sidell is an emergency doctor who has treated COVID-19 infected patients in New York City for 9 days and says, what they are dying of is not what we think.
  • NYC ER Doctor Says COVID-19 is Not What We Are Told – Fed Up ...
    thefedupdemocrat.home.blog/2020/04/04/nyc-er...
    Apr 04, 2020 · April 4, 2020 – Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, ER and Critical Care Doctor from NYC says many COVID-19 patients are deprived of oxygen, not respiration. Ventilators are designed to help a patient breathe when their muscles no longer have the strength to respirate on their own. Dr. Sidell says the COVID-19 patients he is seeing have nothing wrong ...
  • Bombshell plea from NYC ICU doctor: COVID-19 is a condition ...
    ussanews.com/News1/2020/04/05/bombshell-plea...
    Apr 05, 2020 · Before publishing his video, we confirmed that Dr. Kyle-Sidell is an emergency medicine physician in Brooklyn and is affiliated with the Maimonides Medical Center located in Brooklyn.
  • Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD - Reviews - Southfield, MI
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    Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD is a Doctor in Southfield, MI. Leave a review for him on Healthgrades.
  • COVID Clinical Discussion w/Cameron Kyle-Sidell: NYC ED/ICU ...
    thinkingcriticalcare.com/2020/03/28/covid...
    Mar 28, 2020 · Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is an ED-ICU Doc at Maimonides in New York, currently under the COVID fire. He put up an inflammatory tweet yesterday which caused a lot of different reactions, because it clearly challenged the widespread even if only recent belief that one should intubate the COVID patients quite early, usually much earlier than…
  • Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell - Brooklyn NY, Emergency Medicine ...
    www.healthcare6.com/physician/brooklyn-ny/...
    Cameron Kyle-Sidell also cooperates with other doctors and physicians in medical groups including Mmc Emergency Physicians Fpp. Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell accepts Medicare-approved amount as payment in full.
  • Cameron Kyle-Sidell, Maimonides Medical Center - Emergency ...
    doctor.webmd.com/doctor/cameron-kyle-sidell...
    Dr. Kyle-Sidell works in Brooklyn, NY and 1 other location and specializes in Emergency Medicine. Dr. Kyle-Sidell is affiliated with Maimonides Medical Center.

    No he is not faking ... He really did put up an inflammatory tweet yesterday which caused a lot of different reactions, because it clearly challenged the widespread even if only recent belief that one should intubate the COVID patients quite early, usually much earlier than…
 
Anyway. BC's curve is flat. Henry is urging vigilance and caution over the holidays and I get that. We never really had a curve. And we didn't have an explosion of cases needing ventilators (I hope we never do). Was ventilator protocol handled differently here, I wonder?

On Rita's post. Dr. Kyle-Sidell is not a fake...he has a journal article in medscape. He's not a fake.

www.medscape.com

Do COVID-19 Vent Protocols Need a Second Look?

How what Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD, saw in an NYC ICU prompted him to re-examine COVID-19 ventilator protocols
www.medscape.com www.medscape.com
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
It's weird not to be skeptical in a world under lock down.
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To tell you the truth, I am as skeptical as they come.

I understand the alarm over the spread of this virus, I really do. But I am still stuck on the question of how many people die annually from the flu/ pneumonia. Even measles causes many deaths worldwide every year. To say nothing of MVA fatalities, suicides and gunshot wounds. Why are we not more concerned about these things?

Don't even get me started on the economy. Or the potential impact on our collective mental health.

But I don't feel knowledgeable enough to argue any of this. So I am contenting myself with keeping as busy/ satisfied as I can. And reading Matthew's gospel right now. :nerd:
 
Waterfall said:


When people mountain climb and they can't breathe because the air is too thin.....they are given oxygen.

From this second video:


"We don’t know where we’re going. We are putting breathing tubes in people and putting them on ventilators and dialing up the pressure to open their lungs. I’ve talked to doctors all around the country and it is becoming increasingly clear that the pressure we are providing may be hurting their lungs. That it is highly likely that the high pressures we are using are damaging the lungs of the patients we are putting breathing tubes in… we are running the ventilators in the wrong way…. COVID-19 patients need oxygen, they do not need pressure."






 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
You're right. It's been bad since I got a roommate. I put love into this place and they rented it to somebody who doesn't have good communication skills and is immature about cooperation and courtesy. She's nice enough when we speak but it was a bad match. They were too eager for the rent money to screen better or let me find a good match. But it's worse now that we can't really move about freely without getting closer than 2 meters frequently. It's a small kitchen right beside the bathroom.

And yeah the noise I make is not "noise". It's my bedroom door opening, closet door, my space heater, that kind of thing. The other night he heard buzzing and there was nothing buzzing. Nothing but my light on at 11 pm. I asked if he might have tinnitus and he should get it checked by a doctor. That was cheeky I suppose. He's my step brother. I think he can't sleep when he and his wife aren't getting along and I get scapegoated.
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A wise friend told me once that family like fish goes bad after three days. ( that was after I spend a terrible vacation with my (former) closest sister.
 
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