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"House guests" is what I have always heard.
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What he's suggesting...Dr. Kyle-Sidell...that's what they did with my husband before they could find the cause of his pneumonia. They cannulated - drained his chest cavity initially in the ER, and then continuously while he was treated with antibiotics (when they determined it was not viral but bacterial but I'm not sure they ever identified the bacteria - they had their "House" team on it. I was reading about aspiration pneumonia, wasn't familiar with it, and I remembered his seizures, he had one in the weeks before, and the fluid that comes up - saliva and/ or mucous "foam" - he would stop breathing for a few seconds then potentially breathed some saliva in - pathologist agreed that's what they were thinking it was). Even with antibiotics he needed surgery to get the last of the fluid out. Then he was on oxygen. He was treated in a world class thoracic unit - and was very fortunate to get the bed he got. The worst (second to him initially almost dying) part was he was in too long waiting for surgery because it was Christmas and the surgeons were on vacation. But when they found one, he was excellent.
I find that very interesting.
I find that very interesting.
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This is an interesting editorial piece. I can agree with a lot of it.
What cancer patients can teach us about corona virus
What cancer patients can teach us about corona virus
I'm not a guest though. I'm paying a fair bit of rent.
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Thanks for this second video which makes much more sense- until he says that he thinks those patients do not have Covid. THAT, I am sure, is now pretty clearly tested and proven. So, that makes me question the rest of what he saying. I would support the notion that doctors here should have learned from doctors in China and Italy. And maybe even he is right about the 02 level and too much pressure. Though, its also interesting to read the comments from other docs to this video. Specifically- he doesn’t have any theory of what is actually wrong and the cause in the lungs.Anyway. BC's curve is flat. Henry is urging vigilance and caution over the holidays and I get that. We never really had a curve. And we didn't have an explosion of cases needing ventilators (I hope we never do). Was ventilator protocol handled differently here, I wonder?
On Rita's post. Dr. Kyle-Sidell is not a fake...he has a journal article in medscape. He's not a fake.
Do COVID-19 Vent Protocols Need a Second Look?
How what Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD, saw in an NYC ICU prompted him to re-examine COVID-19 ventilator protocolswww.medscape.com
Mrs.Anteater
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Didn’t say guest, did I? I can have house guests for a while- family?Different story.
They cannulated my ex-husband 'before' they actually found the cause. It was the first thing they did (I guess X-rays were first then they immediately performed a drainage procedure in the ER, then he was hooked up to a tube in his chest cavity and a continuous drainage machine).
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We're not close like siblings. We didn't grow up together. My mom and step dad got together when I was 14 or 15 and he was about 25.
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My nephews are doing fine. They have a 'cohort family' and would regardless of recommendations that way, as childcare would be needed, both my sister and brother in law are working outside the home. For a while it was pretty much 3 families, as her friend usually cares for another child as well, but I think that ended just based on the pictures I see her post of the kids.
The older one is upset he can't go to his usual activities, preschool, parks, etc. but overall he's fine.
I think my sister is probably the one this bothers the most out of the 4 of them, and she's still working. She likes to get out a fair bit. So I laugh at her making flaked salt at home.
The older one is upset he can't go to his usual activities, preschool, parks, etc. but overall he's fine.
I think my sister is probably the one this bothers the most out of the 4 of them, and she's still working. She likes to get out a fair bit. So I laugh at her making flaked salt at home.
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Do you mean they took a fluid sample from his lungs to determine the bacteria in his lungs?
Ritafee
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No they actually drained fluid from his chest cavity outside his lungs. Then they hooked him up to a drainage machine right away before they knew the cause. It took several blood tests (I was there when they took some) and I don't know if they ever determined what type of bacteria - just that it wasn't viral (or fungal I guess - they were pretty certain it was bacterial but they couldn't pinpoint the bacteria). So they then gave him an antibiotic drip. They may have presumptively started him on antibiotics just in case anyway. I can't remember. I just remember the ER procedure was scary and watching all that fluid in the machine tubes was scary - pretty memorable - especially for him. Traumatic.
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How would he keep the lungs from collapsing without pressure?
I just wanted to say, also - he had a mild fever we didn't catch and his only complaint to me until the day he went to the ER was back pain. By then it was excruciating back pain and shortness of breath. He had seen a walk in doctor who said he pulled a muscle - she recommended Advil, Tylenol, and rest. So we were not even thinking it was anything like pneumonia. But the day he went in I thought it was a heart attack, not pneumonia.
This may not be related but one of my ex's lungs collapsed and my understanding is that it was because of the fluid that had built up in his chest cavity outside his lungs. They wanted to drain to take pressure down so it could inflate.
Mrs.Anteater
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I am not riling up the public by putting information on the net that isn’t backed up by at least some medical background. People in medical professions have an obligation to stay professional. He appears to be only borderline professional. I can understand his concern, but he will only convince other professionals, if he has professional arguments. Without it, he will only get the applause from the public that likes to suck in bad news.
All information requires calm questions and reasonings ... with due care ... otherwise the preset conspiracies get hostile in the vision of changing circumstances ...
There are those that cannot stand any change or even the passing thought of it ... disturbs that innocent cheeriness. Observe the facial expressions of many political archetypes ... does it give you the sensation there is nothing behind that face?
There are those that cannot stand any change or even the passing thought of it ... disturbs that innocent cheeriness. Observe the facial expressions of many political archetypes ... does it give you the sensation there is nothing behind that face?
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Sounds like a frightening time for both of you.
Yeah, and it ended up being one of the factors - due to existential stress, job interruption and loss - and finances - that lead to our marriage breakdown. It’s frankly sad to think back on.
I still talk to him, and where he is in Europe there are now armed police in the streets and nobody’s allowed out without a mask. Only grocery stores and pharmacies are open. It’s like here but worse. His mom sewed masks for the whole family. He’s been home isolating for over a month. Maybe 6-8 weeks now. He occasionally goes to the grocery store less than a block away but mostly his 20 yr old nephew does the shopping for everyone.
Oh, and people are not allowed to walk their dogs. The recommendation a couple of weeks ago, was to just let them out (and hope they come back I guess? Or not?) “People before dogs.” So, there’s now an increase in feral dogs in the street, which is sad. I’m afraid to think of how that’s being dealt with.
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Ritafee
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I see ... so follow protocol even if you are killing the patient - because that in all good medical conscience is the 'professional' thing to do. He does not regret bringing it out to the public ... he felt compelled to do what he thought was the right thing. He was very professional and has blamed no one for 'following protocol' ... he just could no longer do it himself ... but whatever ... hopefully some good will come of it and that was his only intention. As far as I know he has not yet been fired and is now back in the ER ... I have watched further interviews with him ... it seems that what he was not allowed to question 'on the job' has now been opened up to discussions between NY Italy and China where there are 'professionals' that are coming to the same conclusions. Questioning protocol is not always the wrong thing to do ... but sometimes you have to bring it out in the 'open' before it will be fully considered. We will see now what becomes of this theory in practice.