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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
2 downsmanship, more like it? I'm not trying to be helpful or unhelpful. Just stating a fact. I don't like it when people try to explain my stresses away through a theoretical framework that makes them sound sanctimonious (and not just this - anyone who uses their professional credentials to dismiss real life) when I just explained up thread what I am living through to do this.
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And yet you are doing a variation of this - dismissing other people's views or explaining away through a theoretical framework.
 
Northwind said:
And yet you are doing a variation of this - dismissing other people's views or explaining away through a theoretical framework.
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Think positive and we shouldn't judge is the most insulting thing you can say to someone isolated and poor.

No, positive thinking isn't always helpful. Sometimes it's delusional. And yes we should judge sometimes - sometimes it's necessary.
 
Boris Johnson didn't seem like a healthy specimen to begin with and he gloated about shaking hands with covid patients - so I am not surprised. It doesn't change my point of view.

Nevertheless I hope the NHS takes excellent care of him and that he pulls through this.
 
Northwind said:
If I were still working, I'd be considered an essential service. I'd be working in a petri dish.
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Me too! I have been wondering what the heck the hospital would have me doing right now. I worked in a group oriented program and I understand all groups have been cancelled. We might have been deployed to provide mental health support by phone or Skype. It's hard to say.

In the SARS crisis, my colleagues were used as screeners for people wanting to enter the building. This was before my time working at that particular hospital.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Think positive and we shouldn't judge is the most insulting thing you can say to someone isolated and poor.
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Where did I say to do that? I challenged you. You said you don't like being dismissed by people using their credentials, etc. I was essentially saying "pot meet kettle"

Kimmio Laughterlove said:
No, positive thinking isn't always helpful. Sometimes it's delusional. And yes we should judge sometimes - sometimes it's necessary
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Again, I am not suggesting positive thinking. It is absolutely delusional. What we focus on grows though. If you focus on the s**t it will grow. Negative thinking is as bad as positive. Black and white thinking is also delusional.
 
paradox3 said:
In the SARS crisis, my colleagues were used as screeners for people wanting to enter the building. This was before my time working at that particular hospital.
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One of my SW colleagues in has been "deployed" to somewhere in the hospital. I suspect she's doing something like that or is providing mental health support
 
Northwind said:
Where did I say to do that? I challenged you. You said you don't like being dismissed by people using their credentials, etc. I was essentially saying "pot meet kettle"



Again, I am not suggesting positive thinking. It is absolutely delusional. What we focus on grows though. If you focus on the s**t it will grow. Negative thinking is as bad as positive. Black and white thinking is also delusional.
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No you didn't. That's what came across in Carolla's post (whether intended or not it was insulting to me).
 
Northwind said:
Where did I say to do that? I challenged you. You said you don't like being dismissed by people using their credentials, etc. I was essentially saying "pot meet kettle"



Again, I am not suggesting positive thinking. It is absolutely delusional. What we focus on grows though. If you focus on the s**t it will grow. Negative thinking is as bad as positive. Black and white thinking is also delusional.
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How about its okay to be skeptical? It's not unhealthy. It's helping me cope. If it bothers you to think about, I'm sorry. Don't think about it then.

And sometimes regular folks can be insightful and see a bigger picture that needs red-flagging, where the experts and professionals are too narrow in their thinking.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
How about its okay to be skeptical? It's not unhealthy. It's helping me cope. If it bothers you to think about, I'm sorry. Don't think about it then.

And sometimes regular folks can be insightful where the experts and professionals are too narrow in their thinking.
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It's sometimes good to take a break from this thread and focus on other things that would be relevant to your life..... it might help to neutralize the stress with other things.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Yeah but I bet I have it worse than you.
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I think in many ways you have it better. Which children in the world are you directly responsible for? Which home repairs and maintenance are you directly responsible for? Who is coming to you for financial support in these times? Who in the world is actually depending on you and you alone to 'support' them through this crisis. Many are far more indebted to following the 'rules' than you yourself are. I enjoy your stories of your 'chance' encounters with nature and people ... you are ... from what you share here - still able to come and go without undue restrictions. In the event that the 'economy collapses' do you have a lot of unforgivable debts that will have to be paid? I understand that you do not feel secure and optimally comfortable with your living arrangements at present. That was also so before this 'pandemic'. You are on the other hand ... worse off than some indeed. Part of that would be that you do not have the 'resources' to protect yourself from falling prey to a system that will do away with the 'have nots' without much dismay to the 'haves'. If you are out and about minding your own business and 'authority' decides that you need to be 'contained' at their discretion - you are in a far worse position to be able to defend yourself than those of more 'social substance' ... that I will grant you.
 
paradox3 said:
Johnson has been moved to the ICU: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coronavirus-johnson-hospital-1.5522983
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And what are the names and positions of the other's that have been moved there. Why does a Boris or a Sophi or a Hanks get such honorable or dishonorable mention. I don't want to know about this 'class' ... I understand that they will all be privy to the 'best possible care' - regardless of whether they have 'towed the propoganda party line'. I want to hear about the recovered and the under class ... not the privileged few that we are allowed to 'gloat' about.
 
Ritafee said:
I think in many ways you have it better. Which children in the world are you directly responsible for? Which home repairs and maintenance are you directly responsible for? Who is coming to you for financial support in these times? Who in the world is actually depending on you and you alone to 'support' them through this crisis. Many are far more indebted to following the 'rules' than you yourself are. I enjoy your stories of your 'chance' encounters with nature and people ... you are ... from what you share here - still able to come and go without undue restrictions. In the event that the 'economy collapses' do you have a lot of unforgivable debts that will have to be paid? I understand that you do not feel secure and optimally comfortable with your living arrangements at present. That was also so before this 'pandemic'. You are on the other hand ... worse off than some indeed. Part of that would be that you do not have the 'resources' to protect yourself from falling prey to a system that will do away with the 'have nots' without much dismay to the 'haves'. If you are out and about minding your own business and 'authority' decides that you need to be 'contained' at their discretion - you are in a far worse position to be able to defend yourself than those of more 'social substance' ... that I will grant you.
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You're right.
 
Kimmio. I am sorry that your so uncomfortable with your living conditions. Some of those restrictions do seem quite ridiculous. The person above you doesn’t like noise? Honestly. Get a white noise machine or ear plugs

and I know you are upset at not going out. But as others have said we are collectively trying to help. And you don’t have big responsibilities for dependents either. My niece and her husband are both essential workers. Social work and police. Their one year old can’t go to day care as they are all closed. So they have to rely on grandparents. Even though her father has some underlying conditions. I can’t help because my husband has cancer. And the risk that they could get infected is real

so it’s a real worry and concern.
everyone has worries. Retirees are concerned about suddenly having less money. People wonder if their businesses or jobs will survive. Families worry about the elderly

you don’t like your living situation. I expect this isn’t new so perhaps this stay at home order will help you look fir a better place in the future
 
Here is a 'bedside worker' (front line expert) with his experienced assessment of what we are - or are not - dealing with.

For me ... his insight is far more trust worthy of practical consideration than the dogmatic 'statistics' of dogmatic 'models' of dogmatic 'theories' of dogmatic 'experts'.
 
So much dogmatism seems to point to an institutionalized protocol ... something unchangeable ... no wonder the attractive practical consideration!

Many tyrants wouldn't go there ... to much abstract space ...
 
Nova Scotia has tightened the rules to not allow people to go on Sunday drives and only walk around in your own neighbourhood. Even the trails on the dykes are closed and people have been told to not walk there. The argument for the not driving as I was told, was that driving can cause accidents and medical staff, first responders and police are needed to deal with the crisis.
I know that with common sense, there could be less rules-but it is very clear, that common sense has never been common ( you heard Trump). So, if my staying at home prevents others from breaking the rules, so be it. There is a certain herd behaviour, which comes into play “ when I see you do it, it’s ok to do it, too”.
 
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