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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Can they not test for immunity and infectiousness?
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An antibody test won't show if someone is infectious. With what we know right now, a PCR test doesn't even do that well. A PCR test shows if the virus is present. We assume an infectious period for so many days after a positive test.

An antibody test just shows that someone was exposed and had enough time to product antibodies, from the information I have seen, antibodies are typically produced at some point during the infectious period, so someone is infectious both days before and after they would first see a positive antibody result.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
They need to test regardless...to separate the common cold cases from the covid cases, figure out who’s had it but didn’t know it and is not infectious anymore, and those more likely to be asymptomatic carriers.
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It sounds like you think the doctors don't know how to diagnose people.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
But not for months on end. The damage is going to be massive and ongoing. Just think of the landfills alone right now. The kids not playing with other kids, not getting hugs, not learning to share. The fear and paranoia about human contact. The economic fallout, the domestic violence, the suicide...etc. That’s not caring. So that’s why I am saying don’t just swallow whole everything the experts say. Experts can exploit situations, too. It’s not like experts have never exploited a crisis for political and authoritarian purposes before...or manipulated stats for a certain angle.
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Things are bad enough without catastrophizing. It won't last for months and months.

I'm still waiting for an answer about how the authorities will use this. What exactly is the hidden purpose of using these draconian measures?
 
Northwind said:
Things are bad enough without catastrophizing. It won't last for months and months.

I'm still waiting for an answer about how the authorities will use this. What exactly is the hidden purpose of using these draconian measures?
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For war. To keep the people nice and oppressed and heads down. This will cause the "greatest depression". Do you remember what happened after the last one? Oh, and people will be good and used to authoritarianism and believing whatever they're fed. And Trump and the U.K. are already using war powers to compel manufacturers to make what they want - they did that in WW2 with not just weapons, but vehicles, early "computers" (punch card machines IBM made for the Nazis) medical supplies and so on. And there's already economic, supply chain, and cyber wars going on. Sure call me stupid and paranoid because I don't think lab techs and doctors of epidemiology have the whole picture.
 
I don't think you're stupid Kimmio. I just cannot imagine what it must be like when you're creating all those catastrophes. I suppose time will tell.
 
Northwind said:
What exactly is the hidden purpose of using these draconian measures?
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Draconian is an adjective meaning great severity, that derives from Draco, an Athenian law scribe under whom small offenses had heavy punishments (Draconian laws).

The purpose is not being hidden ... the purpose is to scribe into law heavy punishment for small offenses.

Federal Health Minister Patty Hajdu warned that "if Canadians choose to ignore the 'requests' from health authorities, the government will take more draconian measures."

"When people are playing loose and hard with the rules like this it does actually put our civil liberties at jeopardy,” Hajdu said. “It makes governments have to look at more and more stringent measures to actually contain people in their own homes."

“Politicians and governments will be pushed to a place to take more and stringent measures when people violate them and don’t take this seriously. So I would encourage Canadians to think about that and to think about their obligation to act collectively right now.”

Alberta’s deputy chief medical officer of health told a news conference that a plan will be rolled out there to allow public health inspectors to monitor large groups and businesses, including restaurants, to deal with people who “might not be following the recommendations.”

Dr. Marcia Johnson said didn’t want to give details of the plan, but said she believed it could give police, through fines, the ability to deal with such people.

“There are some, unfortunately, that don’t always go along with the restrictions. To make as much cohesion in society as we can, it is nice to have a mechanism to nudge the reluctant people more towards helping keep our communities safe,” Johnson said.

In Ontario the provincial police issued a notice Friday warning people that they could face fines of $750 if they defy the “expert advice provided by the chief medical officer of health to close certain businesses and institutions and limit gatherings to -- people or less.” Corporations defying orders can face a fine of $500,000.

In Saskatchewan, people not following isolation orders can also face fines or arrest. Premier Moe said anyone returning from outside the country must self-isolate for 14 days and he signed an emergency order authorizing police to enforce the measure.

“This doesn’t mean that you go to the grocery store or go to the drug store or go fill up with gas and then you go home and self-isolate,” Moe said Friday. “This means you go home. And you stay home now.

“If you don’t do this, you’re now breaking the law.”
 
I know what draconian means @Ritafee. My purpose in using that word was to respond to you and Kimmio who seem to think these measures are an overreaction.
 
Northwind said:
My purpose in using that word was to respond to you and Kimmio who seem to think these measures are an overreaction.
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I do indeed think these measures are an over reaction. But then I have always been opposed to Draconian measures for any reason.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
After a point, they are. Does anyone have in mind what that point is or are you prepared to just believe whatever you are told and live this way in the long term?
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I do not believe everything I'm told. I also do not believe this is for the long term. I choose to take one day at a time. It's bad enough being essentially grounded. I'm not going to make things worse for myself and others by imaging the worse. I'm not going to agonize over things I can't control.

Black and white thinking and catastrophizing are sure ways to make yourself miserable.
 
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