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And I eat there, on the ground, regularly. Good grub, especially if you have a taste for Indian food. And just really fresh food really. Used to go to a market in Liverpool, with my uncle, every second Saturday, and you could buy plaice (the sweetest flat fish there is; way better than sole) on ice that had been fished from the North Atlantic hours before.
 
paradox3 said:
So much is still unknown about this virus I am not sure you can make blanket statements like this one.
I think we can safely assume that socioeconomic status is a factor as it is for many health outcomes.
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Yes we can. I posted some articles above that make it clear. Racism is also an opportunistic "disease" that can be used in crises to skew viewpoints and create racial bias in minds. It's as racist for certain groups to declare that they are protected due to genetics than to say that it's genetics causing the problem in certain groups.
 
Bit of a rabbit hole we're wandering down here.

It's clear that this virus most particularly affects the elderly, 60+. And it appears that a s**t ton of people think that THEY are dispensable.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
No, I'm not - for this pandemic it's clear that the racial differences for survival are due to systemic racism.
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wow. It’s wonderful that this is a clear fact for you

please please call up Canada’s medical officers and let them know. Most of our doctors are struggling to figure out the facts. And here you know it. They will need to interview you
 
Some new information coming to light about blood types.
It seems they are now studying which blood types are more conducive to acquiring the COVID virus.
It appears those with type A are more susceptible and those with type O are the least.
I suggest to keep an eye on the studies to keep informed about any updates on that.
Also the tears from our eyes is said to be another form of entry into our bodies because the virus is able to latch on to our tears.
 
I had read some information about blood types in March but it looked way too preliminary to draw conclusions. I'll see what info is out now. With population differences with blood types I would want to see a diversity of areas involved.
 
ABO I found one new study first was from Wuhan 2nd New York. The New York study did see a similar thing with type A but only within Rh positive groups. Overall the statistical evidence is questionable. I'm on my phone now so this was just me looking at it quickly and it's difficult to go back and forth.
 
From what I recall the China one didn't mention a difference with B.
In a meta-analysis of NYP data with previously-reported data from China, we find enrichment for A and B and depletion of O blood groups among COVID-19 patients compared to the general population. Our data do not provide strong evidence of associations between blood group and intubation or death among COVID-19 patients.
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ChemGal said:
ABO I found one new study first was from Wuhan 2nd New York. The New York study did see a similar thing with type A but only within Rh positive groups. Overall the statistical evidence is questionable. I'm on my phone now so this was just me looking at it quickly and it's difficult to go back and forth.
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I will post the article I read when I get home. See what you think.
 
Lastpointe said:
wow. It’s wonderful that this is a clear fact for you

please please call up Canada’s medical officers and let them know. Most of our doctors are struggling to figure out the facts. And here you know it. They will need to interview you
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No medical officers are mentioning racial genetics in Canada.

The thing is, in a political time such as this it is really dangerous to focus on racial genetics in a pandemic. Don't you get that? It's so easily politicized and dangerous when the genetic factor is a moot point - it's the socioeconomics exacerbating the predisposition to health problems in certain communities. To focus on genetics is colonial kick in the teeth to already hurting communities.

If Americans were so damn interested in public health they would address the socioeconomic conditions that cause so much heart disease and hypertension in certain populations in the first place - not turn around and say more black people are dying of covid because they have hypertention. That's racist. Are they pointing out the pre existing conditions in the middle class white people specifically because they're white - have they narrowed it down to a particular European whiteness or mixed whiteness or people whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower, or recent immigrants from Europe, who've died? Are they asking, is it the British whites, the German whites, the Irish whites, the Slavic whites, the Nordic whites who are more likely to die because of their genetics?...didn't think so.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
No medical officers are mentioning racial genetics in Canada.

The thing is, in a political time such as this it is really dangerous to focus on racial genetics in a pandemic. Don't you get that?
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what I get Kimmel is that you view everything as carved in Stone. If black and brown people are more affected than white people it is important. It highlights big issues. Poverty being a big part. It should also help health departments know where to focus. And Canada is watching this. In order to better get a handle on it. Targeted messaging. Enter t3ting perhaps in st risk populations

maybe it means something related to schools getting restarted. Maybe it means something about jobs restarting. Maybe it just puts the focus in inner city poverty in big cities. It will be important to see if Montreal Or Toronto’s has a high proportion of black and brown people affected. higher Than the population would dictate. Is it because they are living less healthy lives. What does that mean for the future. For how we handle public health, things like welfare, minimum wage.......

if you don’t look at stats and try to discern why you will miss the boat. And of course what other risk factors are there. Are people who have the flu shot slightly more protected For instance? And if so, is that something more taken by white society.....

not every discussion of race is racist.
 
Lastpointe said:
what I get Kimmel is that you view everything as carved in Stone. If black and brown people are more affected than white people it is important. It highlights big issues. Poverty being a big part. It should also help health departments know where to focus. And Canada is watching this. In order to better get a handle on it. Targeted messaging. Enter t3ting perhaps in st risk populations

maybe it means something related to schools getting restarted. Maybe it means something about jobs restarting. Maybe it just puts the focus in inner city poverty in big cities. It will be important to see if Montreal Or Toronto’s has a high proportion of black and brown people affected. higher Than the population would dictate. Is it because they are living less healthy lives. What does that mean for the future. For how we handle public health, things like welfare, minimum wage.......

if you don’t look at stats and try to discern why you will miss the boat. And of course what other risk factors are there. Are people who have the flu shot slightly more protected For instance? And if so, is that something more taken by white society.....

not every discussion of race is racist.
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You don't have a good handle on what systemic racism is vs. overt racism. In a pandemic in a politically dangerous world systemic racism can lead into overt racism pretty fast. You don't get it.

Poorer health outcomes in certain communities is a result of systemic racism, not genetics.
 
Where did I say the issues were genetics. I wrote of poverty and poor health Above. And those things need to be analyzed to move forward into better health. To offer better protection. I am agreeing that race plays a part in poverty, in lots of areas and needs to be monitored.

however there are genetic differences in all of us. Whether we ar from tall danish ancestry, or short Italian ancestry or black with faster twitch muscles.

you on the other hand are rude and condescending to anyone who disagrees with you. On just about anything

perhaps it is your genetic predisposition to be rude
 
Lastpointe said:
Where did I say the issues were genetics. I wrote of poverty and poor health Above. And those things need to be analyzed to move forward into better health. To offer better protection. I am agreeing that race plays a part in poverty, in lots of areas and needs to be monitored.

however there are genetic differences in all of us. Whether we ar from tall danish ancestry, or short Italian ancestry or black with faster twitch muscles.

you on the other hand are rude and condescending to anyone who disagrees with you. On just about anything

perhaps it is your genetic predisposition to be rude
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And there are short Danes, tall Italians, and blacks who don't have faster muscles or whatever. That's actually racist to think of people in those terms. There could be as many genetic differences between two black people from different families, or two Italians from different families, as there are 2 between people of different races. The differences between races are mostly superficial.
 
Race isn't something that is well defined in general, and the lines get even blurrier when looking at biology. Biologically, it's not something I've seen much of and the bit I have is all related to bones, and that has a strong tie to anthropology. So there's Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid. Most of the time, in biology populations are referred to, not races. It's why the example I gave was about African Americans (and was pretty specific then to those who were dependents from those who were in America already, as a population they would be different than those who immigrated to the US more recently).
 
ChemGal said:
Race isn't something that is well defined in general, and the lines get even blurrier when looking at biology. Biologically, it's not something I've seen much of and the bit I have is all related to bones, and that has a strong tie to anthropology. So there's Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid. Most of the time, in biology populations are referred to, not races. It's why the example I gave was about African Americans (and was pretty specific then to those who were dependents from those who were in America already, as a population they would be different than those who immigrated to the US more recently).
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I was taught there are more biological differences between men and women than there are between people of different racialized groups. That's a fraught argument too, and so I would say genetics doesn't matter. How we organize our society to look after people no matter what their unique individual genetics is, does matter.
 
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