NATURE, NURTURE & PNEUMATURE ( a neo-logism. I love new words).

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Hi Carolla: I think we've had a thread on death & dying, either on the old wondercafe or here on wondercafe2.

Yes, learning to die well is important, and learning to die well is learning to live well. If you want to discuss the topic of death and dying again, why not post it again?
Herm, is there a thread on helping people who fear LIFE and, therefore, strongly feel that death is the answer?

PNEUMA-TURE (The spiritually mature and born-again kind of spirit)--the practical value and use of
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HOW I USED PNEUMA-Therapy--the spiritual use of hypnotic technique, similar to CONCEPT-therapy and SELF-hypnosis--to prevent a SUICIDE.

Beginning in July, 1966, for over the next twenty seven years I was the senior minister of a large urban church (then 800 families) in Toronto. There was some help from a retired minister and a student minister. I was called there to preach, teach and do the pastoral counselling, which meant I soon came face to face with what the stress of urban living can do to the lives of church families and members who have to commute, week after week to areas all over Toronto and the GTA (greater Toronto area). Some had to fly to cities all over the world.

One day I got an urgent phone call from a distressed business man (Alec), a husband and father of two young children, with a suicide-prone wife (Pat), then under a doctor's care in the Mental Wing of the major hospital near by: Alec opened the conversation by saying, "Rev King--one of your recent your sermons on the healing miracles of Jesus really got my attention ... Would you be willing to visit my very depressed wife? He added, you have my permission to speak with her doctor, who agreed to talk with you."

Right off the doctor told me, "Pat is suicidal. She just made her third and most serious attempt by using an excessive amount of tranquilizing drugs."

THINGS THAT CAME TO LIGHT OF DAY
Talking to the wife and her doctor I was made aware that there were no economic problems. The husband had a good paying job and all the bills were being paid in good time. Over the next while I got to know this family quite well. They were not regular church attenders, but they did give financial support to the church.

Both made it clear to me, "Sorry, but we have no deep interest in being deeply involved in "organized" religion. While we do take our children to the Christmas and Easter events, we have lost interest in most of the old traditions.

THEN IT OCCURRED TO ME TO ASK:
Pat, "What do you hope to accomplish by taking your own life?

Following my use of my four colours--blue, yellow,red & green Pneuma-therapy technique, I paused and waited to hear her response.

Pat responded: "Peace of mind ... something I do not have as long as I keep on living and breathing--I guess I share the emotions of both my parents--mother was, and still is, a worry wart. Father was filled with emotions of fear, anxiety, worry and depression--of both my parents. Nothing helps, including talking to the psychiatrist. "

Pat went on, "Unlike Alec, I have no fear of death. As a matter of fact I think of death as a friend. Lying in the grave without any physical or mental pain ... what a wonderful relief it will be to just lie there and feel and experience nothing."

"Nothing?" I asked.

After another pause I asked: "What makes you certain that after you die you will feel and experience nothing?" NOTICE THE INDIRECT SUGGESTION I GAVE PAT. AND TAKE NOTE OF HOW IT WORKED SO WELL!

"Now that you mentioned it and asked", Pat said, "Rev. King I am not certain ... Do you really mean to say that it is possible that we could die and carry all our life memories and our feelings with into anther life, after death?" she asked.
I then responded and said, "Without any real evidence, I wouldn't rule it out".

"If that is true", Pat declared: "My God, that would be HELL! Hell of the worst kind."
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As I recall, the story that got back to me is this: Pat finally decided to stop trying to take her own life. Needless to say, Alec, her doctor and other therapists at the hospital were relieved.

Does this mean that Pat, Alec and the family lived happily ever after? Only those close to the story will know how it turned out. All I can say at this point is, I hope so. For now, let us assume that "No news is good news."

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I may be off on this post , but feel I should give it . As it was given to me this morning in our paper who I believe is U.C.C. Minister. It come's from The book of Act"s 17: 28-31

Act 17:28 for 'In him we live and move and have our being'; as even some of your poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.'

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Act 17:29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the Deity is like gold, or silver, or stone, a representation by the art and imagination of man.

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Act 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all men everywhere to repent,

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Act 17:31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and of this he has given assurance to all men by raising him from the dead."
 
Yes, people who want to end it all by committing suicide may discover, after they have committed the act, that they didn't put an end to it all after all. If, at the moment of death, we take the memories of our lifetime into another dimension, then we take our suicide and everything that led to it with us. If there is no getting out, then it is far better to resolve our troublesome issues rather than trying to get away from them by committing suicide.
 
Yes, people who want to end it all by committing suicide may discover, after they have committed the act, that they didn't put an end to it all after all. If, at the moment of death, we take the memories of our lifetime into another dimension, then we take our suicide and everything that led to it with us. If there is no getting out, then it is far better to resolve our troublesome issues rather than trying to get away from them by committing suicide.

Hi Hermann-- I see committing suicide a bit different. You see I believe to take ones own life , you have committed the on parallel sin. You have destroyed the house GOD gave for your Spirit . thus you have taken the Spirit in vain.Your Spirit is not of this earth it is given by GOD The Father.Gen 6: 3 .
 
Is Nous mature an adulterated mind that escaped mortal stuff and discovered it goes on and on? This could cause chaos for the narrow-minded that keep the indeterminate oppressed ...
 
Hi Hermann-- I see committing suicide a bit different. You see I believe to take ones own life, you have committed the on parallel sin. ..."
A Clean, I ask: Do mean the "un-pardonable (or unforgivable") sin?"

Then you add,
"You have destroyed the house GOD gave for your Spirit. Thus you have taken the Spirit in vain. Your Spirit is not of this earth it is given by GOD The Father. Gen 6: 3.
Here is the modern Good News Translation
Genesis 6:3-4Good News Translation (GNT)
3 Then the Lord said, “I will not allow people to live forever; they are mortal. From now on they will live no longer than 120 years.”
4 In those days, and even later, there were giants on the earth who were descendants of human women and the heavenly beings. They were the great heroes and famous men of long ago.
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Herm, Your commonsense approach is worth repeating, here it is:

"Yes, people who want to end it all by committing suicide may discover, after they have committed the act, that they didn't put an end to it all after all. If, at the moment of death, we take the memories of our lifetime into another dimension, then we take our suicide and everything that led to it with us. If there is no getting out, then it is far better to resolve our troublesome issues rather than trying to get away from them by committing suicide."
 
I was just talking to someone struggling with a degenerative disease that will slowly rob power and increase pain. They wanted to discuss assisted suicide as they didn't want to be a burden to their family and have their family watch them slowly loose everything that they value due to pain meds and the disease. It was certainly thought-provoking. 'Troublesome issues' like debilitating pain and medications so strong that you are less than lucid, are easier talked about theoretically than lived through.
 
Thus the ultimate rest from pain ... a very large sleep ... but not until you've prepared the left behind for the dearly departed ... eM out of here are alright as beyond the pains of mortals ...

Of course to your position on the ley line you may not grasp extensive understanding ... and the rationale of death ... it must make sense if creation allowed it ... there are implications!
 
I was just talking to someone struggling with a degenerative disease that will slowly rob power and increase pain. They wanted to discuss assisted suicide as they didn't want to be a burden to their family and have their family watch them slowly loose everything that they value due to pain meds and the disease. It was certainly thought-provoking. 'Troublesome issues' like debilitating pain and medications so strong that you are less than lucid, are easier talked about theoretically than lived through.

Hi Monaskit:

Welcome to wondercafe2!

When I said "troublesome issues" I was thinking about depression rather than severe and incurable physical illness. If someone is not merely depressed but suffering from severe, extremely painful and incurable illness, then assisted suicide might indeed be advisable. I only meant to caution those who suffer from depressive thinking, and believe that suicide is the way out, that death may not be the end to being. If, however, assisted suicide is contemplated and decided upon to end incurable physical suffering, then it may indeed be the way to go, and I would support it.
 
I worry that someone would suddenly not want to commit suicide just because a fear was created from the unknown.
So now life and death scare them?
Brutal.
 
Life is like that for many people ... due to lack of patience, mercy, justice and humility from those people that see themselves above the paradigm ... can you conceive of examples?

Then there are those people loaded with confidence at the price of putting other folk down ... oppression of de soul?

What's an integral soul? Something that you separate yourself from in an emotional TIFF? The Hebrew defined this as mahaineim ... alas an old unknown word in present sense ... yet it still contains the old understanding of isolated ... like higher levels of authority compared to the humble type ... a lesser power doesn't exist in such realms?
 
I've struggled with depression at times and know people who are chronic depressives. As much as I hate being a grammar Nazi, "merely depressed" is hard to swallow. Suffering is never easy, and yes, depressive thoughts as a symptom of depression is to be considered seriously, but I've lost several friends because of suicide and depression.
 
A Clean, I ask: Do mean the "un-pardonable (or unforgivable") sin?"

Then you add, Here is the modern Good News Translation
Genesis 6:3-4Good News Translation (GNT)
3 Then the Lord said, “I will not allow people to live forever; they are mortal. From now on they will live no longer than 120 years.”
4 In those days, and even later, there were giants on the earth who were descendants of human women and the heavenly beings. They were the great heroes and famous men of long ago.
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Herm, Your commonsense approach is worth repeating, here it is:

"Yes, people who want to end it all by committing suicide may discover, after they have committed the act, that they didn't put an end to it all after all. If, at the moment of death, we take the memories of our lifetime into another dimension, then we take our suicide and everything that led to it with us. If there is no getting out, then it is far better to resolve our troublesome issues rather than trying to get away from them by committing suicide."
Yes and thank you for making the spelling Corrections for me . Another bad day at the Key"s. I was wondering do you really see a different"s in "un-pardonable (or unforgivable") sin?"
 
I was just talking to someone struggling with a degenerative disease that will slowly rob power and increase pain. They wanted to discuss assisted suicide as they didn't want to be a burden to their family and have their family watch them slowly loose everything that they value due to pain meds and the disease. It was certainly thought-provoking. 'Troublesome issues' like debilitating pain and medications so strong that you are less than lucid, are easier talked about theoretically than lived through.


Hi monasksit--Post#27--Is it called old age? As I get older, I seem to be in more an more, pain. Hurt's I had when I was young have now come back in force . An Injury I got well in the forces , has gotten more painful now. Would I take my life ? Never I would how ever give it up for Love. Love of my GOD, Love of my Family , Love of my Country. Even in some case's, Love for another Humankind.GOD is the giver of Life . I believe He is also the one, who should take it.
 
As one ages ... do the Golden thing ... gather thoughts about how all this crap happened to you ... by the acts of Christians or false loves?

If God is love what is a False Love ... illusionary thought?
 
Hi monasksit--Post#27--Is it called old age? As I get older, I seem to be in more an more, pain. Hurt's I had when I was young have now come back in force . An Injury I got well in the forces , has gotten more painful now. Would I take my life ? Never I would how ever give it up for Love. Love of my GOD, Love of my Family , Love of my Country. Even in some case's, Love for another Humankind.GOD is the giver of Life . I believe He is also the one, who should take it.
Definitely not old age. Again, it's easier to make assumptions than to listen to what this person has to go through.
 
Can you really say definitely ...when descriptively in a mortal state of understanding ... that's irrationally limited you knows ...
 
Atul Gawande is a brilliant guy with some important things to teach us, IMO. If you prefer listening - he did a series of BBC lectures which are interesting ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/6F2X8TpsxrJpnsq82hggHW/dr-atul-gawande-2014-reith-lectures

Talking about death & dying is really important ... something many avoid ... sad
Carolla, I recently, I wrote George Hermanson,1st. Is he the Chair of the Ethics committee and board member of WW 2? In keeping with this thread I asked George about the neo-logism, 'pneumature', which I coined. Here is the content of the note I wrote.

NATURE, NURTURE & PNEUMATURE
By the way, in any of your reading have you ever come across a writer who has used the word, 'pneumature' in a sentence. I just checked Dictionary.com. It is not there--not yet, anyway.

As one who loves neo-logisms (new words), not long ago I created what I now call the neo-logism, 'pneumature'. I used it in conjunction with the famous duo of words, nature (the material world), and nurture (to feed and protect).

BTW, I define 'pneumature' as that which, "inspires and/or imbues nature and nurture, with honest, meaningful, dynamic, loving, creative and personal opinions." George, or anyone: I welcome your feedback
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Nurture and protect the knowledge and wisdom of everything (God-like ideal-ism)? ... while emotions in the extreme will blow the mind ... the knowledge item! Good Lord another paradox to screw about with my emotions ... so I lost what I previously knew for sure ... so much for that stone!
 
Carolla, I recently, I wrote George Hermanson,1st. Is he the Chair of the Ethics committee and board member of WW 2? In keeping with this thread I asked George about the neo-logism, 'pneumature', which I coined. Here is the content of the note I wrote.
George Hermanson1st, Chair of the Ethics committee and board member. You mean for WW 2, George?

Me? Currently, after having had major surgery last Dec. 4th, I am now working on getting my energy back so that I can get back to writing--one of the things I learned to love doing.

NATURE, NURTURE & PNEUMATURE
By the way, in any of your reading have you ever come across a writer who has used the word, 'pneumature' in a sentence. I just checked Dictionary.com. It is not there--not yet, anyway.

As one who loves neo-logisms (new words), not long ago I created what I now call the neo-logism, 'pneumature'. I used it in conjunction with the famous duo of words, nature (the material world), and nurture (to feed and protect).

Now I define 'pneumature' as that which, "inspires and/or imbues nature and nurture, with honest, meaningful, dynamic, loving, creative and personal opinions." Lindsay
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And, take note of this, Carolla and Herm:

BEL MARRA CLINIC, what it--devoted to promoting natural remedies, pro-biotics, not anti-biotics--is now writing about
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What if you could unleash your body's internal healing code by simply tapping into your

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When I use the neo-logism PNEUMATURE, this is what I have in mind via the PNEUMA! Bel Marra Clinic now includes this:

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