Muslims & Christians: Same God?

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In Chapter 13, the final chapter of Allah: A Christian Response, Miroslav Volf asks if his advice for Christians to open themselves up to God in love will benefit the world. Further, he asks if it might not rather exacerbate problems between Christians and Muslims, giving more weight to exclusive religious convictions associated with the belief in one God and adding religious fuel to conflicts.

Volf then lists a number of alternatives to accept the view of a common God between Christians and Muslims, but states that none of them will work...

1. Eliminate religion. Attempts to eliminate religion would be both oppressive and ineffective, and hopes are futile that it will wither away on its own in the foreseeable future

2. Keep religious communities apart. In today’s world, it is impossible to keep religious communities apart.

3. Privatize religion (keep it out of the public sphere). To prohibit religious people from drawin on their traditions and therefore on revelation in their political engagement is to discriminate against them. Religion cannot and should not be privatized.

Volf then gives the consequences for the pursuit of the common good by Muslims and Christians...

1. For both Christians and Muslims, God is not a tribal deity – since God is one, God is never “our” God as opposed to “their” God. If possessive pronouns are appropriate at all, “our” God is as much “theirs” as “ours.”

2. Both Muslims and Christians agree that their common God is just and merciful and requires human beings to be just and merciful in all their dealings.

Volf then provides commonly held opinions about what draws people together to become friends...

1. Like must love like, or as we sometimes put it, “Birds of a feather flock together”

2. Like is the greatest enemy of the like

3. Common values lead to agreement.

According to Volf, not all talk about God is, in fact, about the one true God. Some of it, he writes, is about false gods, and much of it is about culture, territory, and identity and therefore deeply divisive and especially dangerous in an interconnected and interdependent world. It is time, Volf asserts, for Muslims and Christians to rebel against religion as a marker of identity and weapon in worldly struggles. It usurps, he says, the place of God in their lives. As believers in the one God, he states, they should affirm together that no other thing – no culture, no nation, and, yes, not even religion – is God. God alone is God, writes Volf, – the common God of Christians and Muslims, whom they both understand in different and yet remarkably similar ways.
 
The argument whether Muslims and Christians worship the same God is moot since we all see life through our own lenses. It's "how" we see that life that marks the measure our lives, and not "what" we believe. Live by the golden rule of 'doing as you would be done by' and you can't go wrong

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Good afternoon Neo . You know I am sure there are many who follow Allah" who are really good people. But you see as a Christian" we are to follow Jesus The Christ". He an He alone is the way to God The father. We are told by GODS Word , there is but one GOD. There are not many, as you seem to believe. There is but one way to Him, that being The Lord Jesus. There is no other whos" name you are save by. As a Christian I believe those who will not accept Christ Jesus as Lord just won't make it. Would I not be lax then, in not pointing this out to them? That they accept Jesus or not is there choice, they can chose to, or not . That is a gift GOD has given us, freedom of choice. For The Great Love He has for us . He sent His Son, To live an die for you . He Jesus is willing to stand in your place for you who has failed. But not even just that . He gives you His Perfection , His Father makes you His Child . Ask a person who follows those other gods, to show you in there teaching where it says anything like this. No Neo there is but One Great I AM and His Son name is Jesus The Christ. I Pray all will find this . But in my case , only death of this body, will stop me from saying it. God Bless.
 
ac, does it ever remotely bother you that your theology condemns a large majority of the world? What say you to an old Hindu woman who has been faithful to the only gods she has known all of her life, the guideposts that have helped make her into a kind and gentle wise woman?
 
Does anyone think that prophets speak in the tongue that people readily understand, or, *gasp* like? If it was easy, and we all 'got it', why are we where we are?

Perhaps to take a dip in the pool of learning ... alias exposure as angels with naïveté ... to learn something? Perhaps not ... with free choice ... we could remain eternally in the dark? So many choose the stoic position of statutes rigidly against anything unknown or alien ... thus the loss of foreign exchanges rites?

Thus the extreme cognizance of a man (& heh's kind) as an isolated creature from the eternal essence ... that'd be out there in a sort of satyr as created in Shakespearean English ... the alternate spin on word? Is that divine rapture to put the parts and sectors together in abstract space (when one looses all senses)?
 
Real people need something absolute ... people of virtue take the plunge to determine what the hang-up is ... so we can move on ... let the Hajji begin ... and the Mary Wanna beis were fired up ... creating much smoke and obtuse Ness, ass also obliterating western thought as*sass*ins ... natural critics of everything in the east including Nipon! Neigh Pons that grips yah like a jig saw puzzle? Thus the enigma begins over ... recycle daze ... as ID is re thun Que!
 
ac, does it ever remotely bother you that your theology condemns a large majority of the world? What say you to an old Hindu woman who has been faithful to the only gods she has known all of her life, the guideposts that have helped make her into a kind and gentle wise woman?
--Hi Bette TheRed-- Yes it dose bother me that I must say thinks as I do. But you see ,I don't want to change GODS word to fit what the world wants. I have no thought , that if it were not for Christ Jesus , I would go to Hell. The way to GOD is through Christ Jesus , this is stated in GODS Word. You want to change it? That in doing so would lead many into Hell ? If I go to a Doctor , because I am hurting. I don't think he or she will tickle me , an send me home. GOD is the doctor of this world. He has said what must be done to make sure your on the right path. If you chose to go on your own and follow your own Doctor. You will answer one day for all you have done right or wrong. GOD help you then will be to late to say. I think now is the time to say it. If you feel that way BetteTheRed. You as everyone must chose the way" they will go. It is GOD who will Judge, your choice you have made. Where do you get we as followers of Christ Jesus should not try and help others, find that way? It Is Jesus The Christ.
 
--Hi Bette TheRed-- Yes it dose bother me that I must say thinks as I do. But you see ,I don't want to change GODS word to fit what the world wants. I have no thought , that if it were not for Christ Jesus , I would go to Hell. The way to GOD is through Christ Jesus , this is stated in GODS Word. You want to change it? That in doing so would lead many into Hell ? If I go to a Doctor , because I am hurting. I don't think he or she will tickle me , an send me home. GOD is the doctor of this world. He has said what must be done to make sure your on the right path. If you chose to go on your own and follow your own Doctor. You will answer one day for all you have done right or wrong. GOD help you then will be to late to say. I think now is the time to say it. If you feel that way BetteTheRed. You as everyone must chose the way" they will go. It is GOD who will Judge, your choice you have made. Where do you get we as followers of Christ Jesus should not try and help others, find that way? It Is Jesus The Christ.
But you have changed Gods word to fit what "you" see as the truth Airclean. It works both ways. There is more than one way, for instance, to interpret the words "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". These words do necessarily mean the following of a religion or a particular doctrine. You limit your understanding of who the Christ is and where He stands in relation to the whole world if you believe this statement is about religion.

Western Christianity has become so obsessed with sin and guilt and blaming our problems on some external devil-like scapegoat that it has forgotten it's true divinity, the God within that lay deep within the hearts of every human being. It has forgotten that the story of Christ was meant to be as role model for "how" we should live our lives.

Religion is a set of man-made doctrines, not God-made doctrines. It's not "what" we believe but "how" we believe. This is the true path. But this kind of gospel doesn't fill pews as much as the threat of eternal hell for not believing exactly what a particular church espouses.
 
Can one believe anything without the abstract attribute they call mind? Some say it is indeterminate and swear by how they have it under control even though it is way beyond them ...

Now take God's representative (KJ) that directed his corrupt authority towards warping the Hebrew story of emotions vs. intellect! It is a strange story to say least ...
 
But you have changed Gods word to fit what "you" see as the truth Airclean. It works both ways. There is more than one way, for instance, to interpret the words "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". These words do necessarily mean the following of a religion or a particular doctrine. You limit your understanding of who the Christ is and where He stands in relation to the whole world if you believe this statement is about religion.

Airclean--post--
Hi Neo--I believe your a very smart guy. So why are you posting things as above?
I don't think you understand who and what "Our Lord Jesus Christ is.
John 1: 1---He was an is GOD. It seems in a why you don't understand.
John1:3--All things were made through Him. In him was Life
John1:5--He was an is Light. Gen1:3-4 In The beginning of earth an now.

Neo---Post---

Western Christianity has become so obsessed with sin and guilt and blaming our problems on some external devil-like scapegoat that it has forgotten it's true divinity, the God within that lay deep within the hearts of every human being. It has forgotten that the story of Christ was meant to be as role model for "how" we should live our lives.


--Airclean--post--Western Christianity????What is (western) Christianity? Being a Christian , as far as I know is a belief of who The man called Jesus" is. He is The Christ , the one sent from GOD, to save the world from it's self. John 3: 16-21--

Neo--post---
Religion is a set of man-made doctrines, not God-made doctrines. It's not "what" we believe but "how" we believe.

--Airclean-post--This is what you see Neo. It is not what I see or believe . We who are called Born agains. Have two ways to understand or see GOD. One being of course is by GODS Word The Bible. The other is By The Living GOD who in the form of The Holy Spirit, dwells in us , He helps us to learn His ways, He teaches us to walk His walk" and understand, His LOVE" As FATHER OF ALL. By myself I can't even see why, He Loves even" me so. Neo, my change did not start with GODS Living Word. It Stared with The LIVING GOD. I did not seek Him, but He me. Or maybe he had come before only I wasn't listing. That day though I heard , and all Praise to Him . I have never stopped hearing Him.

--Neo--post--
This is the true path. But this kind of gospel doesn't fill pews as much as the threat of eternal hell for not believing exactly what a particular church espouses.


--Airclean--post--Here again Neo we differ. But not all" the way. I also believe GOD did not come to fill church's. He came to fill hearts, He Love's you, so much, He came to die that you don't have to . He want's all who would come, to come" an just say YES". I will accept the Grace, you are giving Father. I want to come home. GOD BLESS. May you always be in the LIGHT
 
Neo said:
But you have changed Gods word to fit what "you" see as the truth Airclean. It works both ways. There is more than one way, for instance, to interpret the words "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". These words do necessarily mean the following of a religion or a particular doctrine. You limit your understanding of who the Christ is and where He stands in relation to the whole world if you believe this statement is about religion.
Airclean said:
Hi Neo--I believe your a very smart guy. So why are you posting things as above?
I don't think you understand who and what "Our Lord Jesus Christ is.
John 1: 1---He was an is GOD. It seems in a why you don't understand.
John1:3--All things were made through Him. In him was Life
John1:5--He was an is Light. Gen1:3-4 In The beginning of earth an now.
Can you believe that Jesus was a man and that Christ, the Christos, was a representative of God?

Neo said:
Western Christianity has become so obsessed with sin and guilt and blaming our problems on some external devil-like scapegoat that it has forgotten it's true divinity, the God within that lay deep within the hearts of every human being. It has forgotten that the story of Christ was meant to be as role model for "how" we should live our lives.
Airclean said:
Western Christianity????What is (western) Christianity? Being a Christian , as far as I know is a belief of who The man called Jesus" is. He is The Christ , the one sent from GOD, to save the world from it's self. John 3: 16-21—
The Western Church as opposed to the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Neo said:
Religion is a set of man-made doctrines, not God-made doctrines. It's not "what" we believe but "how" we believe.
Airclean said:
This is what you see Neo. It is not what I see or believe . We who are called Born agains. Have two ways to understand or see GOD. One being of course is by GODS Word The Bible. The other is By The Living GOD who in the form of The Holy Spirit, dwells in us , He helps us to learn His ways, He teaches us to walk His walk" and understand, His LOVE" As FATHER OF ALL. By myself I can't even see why, He Loves even" me so. Neo, my change did not start with GODS Living Word. It Stared with The LIVING GOD. I did not seek Him, but He me. Or maybe he had come before only I wasn't listing. That day though I heard , and all Praise to Him . I have never stopped hearing Him.
"GODS Word The Bible" was written and interpreted by men. It didn't just appear out of nowhere one day.

And I too listen to the silent voice within. Does it offend you if I use the term "the silent voice" instead of your words "The Holy Spirit"?
Who is to say that there's a difference?

Neo said:
This is the true path. But this kind of gospel doesn't fill pews as much as the threat of eternal hell for not believing exactly what a particular church espouses.
Airclean said:
Here again Neo we differ. But not all" the way. I also believe GOD did not come to fill church's. He came to fill hearts, He Love's you, so much, He came to die that you don't have to . He want's all "
Airclean said:
who would come, to come" an just say YES". I will accept the Grace, you are giving Father. I want to come home. GOD BLESS. May you always be in the LIGHT
With the exception of the words "He came to die (so) that you don't have to", I don't see us differing too much here. Do you think I'm committing some kind of sin by not believing in the vicarious atonement? I'd be interested in hearing your straight answer to this.

 
Muslim visions of Jesus have converted thousands to Christianity. Here is just one such dramatic testimony:

 
Translation: If you're a "smart guy", you'd agree with Airclean, because he's right.

You are aware that there are alternate Christian theologies in existence? Like the concept of unitarianism, a very early 'heresy' in which the divinity of Jesus is rejected.
 
Translation: If you're a "smart guy", you'd agree with Airclean, because he's right.

No, rranslation: Thousands of Muslims are being converted through visions of Jesus, even though Muslims already embrace Jesus as a great prophet. So your retort that some Christians convert to Islam is irrelevant unless you can come up with parallel visions of Muhammad that trigger the conversions. :)

Bette: You are aware that there are alternate Christian theologies in existence? Like the concept of unitarianism, a very early 'heresy' in which the divinity of Jesus is rejected.

Christian theologies? Do you actually consider Unitarians to be Christians? Such erroneous beliefs provide one o reason why I'm posting Muslim visions of Jesus that convince them of His divinity.
 
Christian theologies? Do you actually consider Unitarians to be Christians? Such erroneous beliefs provide one o reason why I'm posting Muslim visions of Jesus that convince them of His divinity.
Right, compared to "Sid Roth" those Unitarians don't know nothin.
 
Translation: If you're a "smart guy", you'd agree with Airclean, because he's right.

You are aware that there are alternate Christian theologies in existence? Like the concept of unitarianism, a very early 'heresy' in which the divinity of Jesus is rejected.

Like you mean; in that narrow cave there's no light at the end?
 
Christian theologies? Do you actually consider Unitarians to be Christians?

Modern UUs are not a Christian Church, however unitarianism began as a Christian school of thought that rejected the doctrine of the Trinity. How it evolved into a non-Christian religion rooted in humanist social principles rather than metaphysical concerns is beyond the scope of this thread but I will drop a link or two.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism

http://www.uua.org/beliefs/history/our-historic-faith
 
Christian theologies? Do you actually consider Unitarians to be Christians? Such erroneous beliefs provide one o reason why I'm posting Muslim visions of Jesus that convince them of His divinity.

Yes. I actually consider anyone who self-identifies as Christian, as Christian. Although I do admit to secret doubts about you; I'm half convinced that you're an alien with time on their hands.
 
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