Meanwhile in Canada

[WhyCzar]

It’s very bad and yes I believe Rita has a point.

chansen​

Had a point all along​

WhyCzar​

Connect The Dots​

MAiD is an unnatural death and should therefore be included on a death certificate as the mechanism of death.

The circumstances leading to MAiD should also be clearly documented.

There is no valid reason for MAiD as the mechanism of death to be omitted.

 

[chansen]

Going forward in the spirit of addressing usernames other than their registered one - I have decided to address you as Crony, given your favored status with WC1 and WC2. So Crony, you keep referencing your ownership of Cruxifusion.com but the only reference I can find of it is on your reddit post where you malign the moderators of, I suspect, WC1 and WC2? Has it been deleted in favor of your renewed status here?

You do what you want. I've never used the name "Crony", so I don't see your justification for using it to identify me (because I never have), but fill your boots.

I have used BartBandy on some sites (a favourite fictional character), but more commonly I go by chansen.

You have gone by "Ritafee" and "monk" on this site after your "Ritafee" account was banned, iirc. After you were banned again, you showed up on my site. After I banned you, you showed up with a new account, using a VPN to disguise your approximate location. After I banned your alternate account, you showed up here with this "WhyCzar" account, using another VPN. Once you stopped using the VPN, you were tied to the same area of Manitoba as the Ritafee account. I'd have to go looking for how you identified yourself on WC1, assuming you used aliases there, which doesn't seem like a wild assumption.

We were saddened by the news but thankful that you informed us of your brother's passing at Cruxifusion. That goodwill fades when you go fishing for outrage again.

With the above being noted, I don't want you banned. I think you've done far worse to yourself than any moderator could do with a ban by your sloppy attempts to disguise your identity.

Yes, I've railed against abusive and biased moderation here and at WC1 and the UCCan FB group in the past. I think we're finally doing better here with the replacement of the Code of Conduct and the acknowledgment of wrongdoing by the original moderators, who chose to dispense of a dispute between parties by singling out one publicly and keeping their criticism of the other behind closed doors. With the acknowledgement and that criticism of a UCCan social media staff member now publicly available, the end result borders on acceptable, even if the delay was insane.

Cruxifusion.com is just a domain I own now. It is no longer online. Maybe I'll let it lapse. I assume it will be snatched up by the usual suspects and be a gateway to an online gambling site or similar. If the the other Cruxifusion wants the domain, they know where to find me.

As for what you think should be deleted, are you referring to what JayneWonders posted? I assume that's somewhere on Reddit. I'm not the sort to go around deleting what I or anyone else once thought or wrote. That piece seemed to be promoting Cruxifusion.com and isn't necessarily accurate to how I feel today, but it was accurate for the time and I don't feel the need to go looking for it to delete it.

 

[chansen]

First, I saw you quoted something from Kimmio, but I do not discuss MAiD with Kimmio. Full stop. Just for clarification.

MAiD is an unnatural death and should therefore be included on a death certificate as the mechanism of death.

The circumstances leading to MAiD should also be clearly documented.

There is no valid reason for MAiD as the mechanism of death to be omitted.

I don't see how it changes anything. I assume that the fact that MAiD was chosen is documented somewhere.

I also wonder aloud if there are life insurance or similar reasons to keep MAiD off the death certificate. Insurance companies being what they are, perhaps the choice of MAiD could alter their decisions? I don't know for sure. That's more a question than a statement.

You always seem worried about government overreach. I think you ignore overreach by people and organizations who want to trample on rights as much as any government does.

 

[Mendalla]

I think you ignore overreach by people and organizations who want to trample on rights as much as any government does.

And are usually quite happy when the government does it for them as long as the government leaves them alone. Interesting how alleged "libertarians" are suddenly all for government intervention when certain issues and topics come up.

 

[WhyCzar]

Interesting how alleged "libertarians" are suddenly all for government intervention when certain issues and topics come up.

How can you judge if and to what extent MAiD has been abused when the data it releases is sparse and not informative?

It is not as though there is a means of "independent" verification.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Why are you conflating "cause of death" on death certificates with an undemonstrated "lack of tracking MAID deaths"? The information is available; there is a deliberate tracking mechanism telling us how many deaths are a chosen early exit from cancer or a terminal neurological disease like ALS. The MAID legislation mandates tracking of its use.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

It’s a disingenuous set up that doesn’t take social and economic factors or medicalized prejudices or broader human rights into consideration which is a particularly important change that needs to happen as the practice expands - preferably before it expands but we only have a year.

That said, writing on a death certificate “(died from) schizophrenia” or “(died from) autism” is going to have to be reckoned with so maybe best it’s all stated upfront. Maybe there’s more than one cause of death. Like “primary, secondary”

Either way 2027 is the end of “civilization”. It’s the end of humanity in Canada. It’s going to be terrible if there aren’t some major policy changes and all of society is responsible for the awful consequences to the social fabric because they refused to acknowledge it. Some still don’t even know it’s happening.

It says “We don’t care. Do you?”

 

[BetteTheRed]

How can you judge if and to what extent MAiD has been abused when the data it releases is sparse and not informative?

It is not as though there is a means of "independent" verification.

Oh rita, talking to you gets frustrating.

MAID is a process associated with Health Canada. It is tracked and documented like any other program. They will provide statistics that tell you in 2023 x percent of successful applicants had cancer, x percent had a terminal neurological disorder like ALS etc.

The degree of transparency you seem to be requesting is that "Great Uncle Henry McVarnish requested MAID for terminal colorectal cancer when the pain became unmanageable".

What you are asking for on a death certificate is "suicide" which banned bodies from sanctified graveyards for generations. It's pejorative and ugly.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

People should have to admit to the pejorative and ugly and either say they don’t care if it’s suicide (or murder) or they won’t do it because it’s suicide or murder. Don’t wrap it up in pretty paper and put a bow on it. They’re allowing suicide and murder already with track 2. It’s expanding into mental health. The Health Canada cover is bs. It has nothing to do with health, get your heads out of your butts. Sorry not sorry to sound harsh but enough is enough of pretending it’s healthy policy, not fascist policy. Which is exactly what fascist societies do.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Kim, on a death certificate, should it state "Medical Assistance In Dying"? This is a very thinly coded word for suicide. Very distasteful and immoral in some cultures.

I don't know how many cancer journeys or ALS or Parkinsons journeys you've followed. I'm older than you; our disabilities are different. I heard my late ex-husband beg for more chemo to prevent death while his oncologist begged him to accept palliative sedation. I can't call an assisted death to hasten the end of a long and difficult struggle towards an inevitable end a "suicide".

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Kim, on a death certificate, should it state "Medical Assistance In Dying"? This is a very thinly coded word for suicide. Very distasteful and immoral in some cultures.

I don't know how many cancer journeys or ALS or Parkinsons journeys you've followed. I'm older than you; our disabilities are different. I heard my late ex-husband beg for more chemo to prevent death while his oncologist begged him to accept palliative sedation. I can't call an assisted death to hasten the end of a long and difficult struggle towards an inevitable end a "suicide".

Yes. I think so. It’s also political and nobody wants to recognize that now that it’s been successfully ‘medical-modellized’ for a number of years as it expands.

I realize you’ve had friends who suffered a great deal with terminal illness. I’m sorry to hear that happened to people you love.

I’m wondering if you can leave your track 1 commentary off to the side and temporarily narrow your focus to zone in on the sociopolitical aspects of a law that affords fewer human rights to specifically targeted groups. Then, ask yourself why covering up the fact (at least not without a bit more query) - that their death was state sanctioned, might be problematic for both public transparency and goodwill, good governance, and for the historical record.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

Why don’t you move this discussion back into the MAID thread

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I can't call an assisted death to hasten the end of a long and difficult struggle towards an inevitable end a "suicide".

Socially speaking, if there’s no help coming from society to help people emotionally heal from struggle, or level the inequitable playing field in areas of even basic support - that’s what suicide is in instances of mental and physical disability. Many have struggled their whole lives who shouldn’t have had to. The disability is the thing that might qualify them under a medical model system (which is prejudiced against living with impairments or MAiD wouldn’t have been allowed to expand there) but it may not actually be the thing that caused their death. The forms are one dimensional quite on purpose because they deny the whole picture. Societal “impairment” did it, and MAiD was the outlet for society to evade responsibility. That is fascism, folks.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Why are you conflating "cause of death" on death certificates with an undemonstrated "lack of tracking MAID deaths"? The information is available; there is a deliberate tracking mechanism telling us how many deaths are a chosen early exit from cancer or a terminal neurological disease like ALS. The MAID legislation mandates tracking of its use.

After the fact, often by years - dead people can’t change treatment plans, or challenge it. It’s final and that’s why it’s not healthcare (and track 2 where someone is not dying but has a clear disability but social and economic factors are what’s behind it - easy to cover that over. How many didn’t speak up about that aspect?) …and at worst gets a slap on the wrist if the provider erred.

 

[Luce NDs]

Socially speaking, if there’s no help coming from society to help people emotionally heal from struggle, or level the inequitable playing field in areas of even basic support - that’s what suicide is in instances of mental and physical disability. Many have struggled their whole lives who shouldn’t have had to. The disability is the thing that might qualify them under a medical model system (which is prejudiced against living with impairments or MAiD wouldn’t have been allowed to expand there) but it may not actually be the thing that caused their death. The forms are one dimensional quite on purpose because they deny the whole picture. Societal “impairment” did it, and MAiD was the outlet for society to evade responsibility. That is fascism, folks.

Maybe hidden in there is a statement of civil nature of how feelings depart and the paradigm doesn't care anymore ... best call it martyrdom and that will do it!

One way or the other does the urge to be better than the other demand that someone loose some sense? Thus caring expounds into a great love to condemn Canada for buying Canadian while it is a perfect set of word for a powerful nation ... that is conditioned not to know the difference ...

In the medium some ethics pop-up as constructed of thin lines and straw oos-'l matter! Fertility for another conflict and the stuff do fly ...

Relaxation is difficult ...for none likes to get under the tree ... it is overshadowing!

Thus a dash down the back Ali ... an ide in the fogs of humanity ... the ide is said to be primal, near pagan or heathen urge to note we are dependant on networks; black or white, ... seen or unseen ... if observable ... perhaps clear as a conscience! Gives space for unknowing an place to dump thoughts ... in some traditions referred to as dark night of soul.

Always be cautious at the wakening ... the object could be vile at seeing what was done in the absence ... an abstraction of onus? Alien EH? In deedy strange as DIDao can be on rising of dah morn ... circadian goes around also just like the spin of intellect in a land determined to know little ...

Thus the contention was displaced ... few saw it go and the entire community of conscience cleared out ...

It is why intellect and wisdom are beyond us ... just to be out there is a break opens a crack according to Leon Cohen ... one of The O's clan ... theoretically ... because nothing is impossible to prove! NUN able ... in many closed cloisters ... the core of Cloe f' sure ...

 

[Luce NDs]

If we cannot put these kind of folk down ... they will rise with trump, triumphant at one stage where they overcome thought and all associates with what else ... an emotional blast sending Sophia over the edge too ... the turning of tabl-ET's as the other end of the rod and staff comes into play ...

Competition is the word of the Dao ... no bananas ... to suggestive of satisfaction ... like a sliver of moon scythed ... piece of burro?

Very donkey-ish ... will never settles down as agitated by anything and everything ... diabolically all at one's distraction? Eclectic in some words ... dispersed, or dissipating singularity ... thus broken into we virus ... molecular worms? Mores to be unconscious about ... can we unknow something that impactful? Explains tacky points ... like eros in the invisible psyche ... is that clear? Prone to periodic probes? Aye ... something to look into if you can get someone to look where the self cannot ... hind part job at the end? May enter stage as shadow(ing) personality development (hanging participles)!

Linguistic disagreement ... humans can agree on little ... nothing great ... suggestions on a little caring ... medium done or at least moderates as in crisis management? Maybe a story of nonsense would be illustrative at the darkest momentum ...

Conclusion: everyone tends to hate a medium that processes ... thus it never works through the system ... un constitutional? Just stits ... one must speak no more about such busts ... un cleave, or heave ho! Chemi*ease ... a brief cover ... close to toga (toe gae) shift of the kilt? Barren ... in Celt that's bairne ... imagine that coming at you in the dark ... foul spin or bloody English?

It too is a dying communication ... poorly written and spoken as it all went digital and many of the fingers fell aside leaving TU! That's all ... resolutions?

What if intercourse is introduced and they speak all around the topic ... you can bet someone will be rubbed bad ... rather unguent lye? Erosive ...

Like water treatment it becomes complicated in the wash ... you can bet something goes down river ... briefs?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Kim, on a death certificate, should it state "Medical Assistance In Dying"? This is a very thinly coded word for suicide. Very distasteful and immoral in some cultures.

I don't know how many cancer journeys or ALS or Parkinsons journeys you've followed. I'm older than you; our disabilities are different. I heard my late ex-husband beg for more chemo to prevent death while his oncologist begged him to accept palliative sedation. I can't call an assisted death to hasten the end of a long and difficult struggle towards an inevitable end a "suicide".

If your ex wanted more chemo the oncologist shouldn’t have tried to change his mind if he wanted to be aware of what was going on and prolong his life. I’m sorry that it was awful for you and others to witness but he had the right to do that, as people should. It’s only money. People like Carney have a license to print it. There’s no excuse for our broken down system(s) that don’t provide enough care and support.

 

[Luce NDs]

What if all the money was put into industry for some strange reasoning that didn't encompass the civil side?

Here in NB we can no longer afford to allow health, education, etc. and the rich to live side by side ... in upsetting Maslow's law ... imagine what has to go to bring down the old house! The structure converts from^ to V in a flash ... minor instances? Significant diggings ... as we appear to incarnate in a hole ... imagine a trump in a hole ... thus the shafting's! Never goes down well ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Property is overvalued because of the real estate investment hustle that I admit don’t understand well, with middle being substituted for the rich in many cases of “eat the rich” going on. They’re just lower hanging fruit. Inflated property values end up with people competing for scraps. Who’s going after the very top to demand better from them? The rich-rich? The actual Trumps of society in terms of garish wealth? Why don’t they have an onus or social responsibility for the health of society? Why doesn’t the middle and everyone below that push them harder? Bring back 1970s taxation rates. Because shortly after that a whole wealthy and prosperous generation turned their backs on the social contract, and they get venerated by the ignorant for just being lucky or excessively greedy - even by those being screwed over by it. Like they do with Trump. I hope the NDP gets elected next time.

Also if people are being externally and deliberately pushed into dao, with malevolence instead of grace, is it dao?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Do you have an urge to compete with the other @Luce NDs ?