MAID Concerns - How Will Our Politicians Respond?

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BetteTheRed said:
The neighbour, whose son has entered the OPP, is OPP himself. Yes, there's nepotism there, as well.
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I have a co-worker whose husband is a CAF vet and a retired cop. Their son served in Afghanistan and then became a cop when he was discharged. Chip off the old block. Daughter, on the other hand, went a completely different road from either parent and did journalism, then became press officer for a hospital.
 
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.1017.7949&rep=rep1&type=PDF A paper about euphemisms used in nazi propaganda about euthanasia:

Finally, the film with the highest production values was made in 1941. Ich klage an! (I Accuse) takes up a familiar story. Hanna Heyt, the heroine of the film, shows signs of physical deterioration due to multiple sclerosis. She makes it clear that she does not wish to spend her last days in a “vegetative state.” Her husband, Thomas, in consultation with her physician, gives her an overdose which kills her. A dramatic courtroom sequence follows.
. . . Thomas accuses the law of not helping in the case of his wife’s suffering. The defense concludes that the law must be changed to allow mercy killing for humanitarian reasons. The film ends by putting the verdict in the hands of the audience (Burleigh, 1994, p. 69).

From the film:
SCHÖNBRUNN Gentlemen, if you ask me, Professor Heyt must be acquitted be- cause he is an example to every doctor. I know I am touching on a sensitive issue, but at the same time it is a very inflexible point in our current moral and social view.
HUMMEL I don’t know . . . if one simply allows this sort of thing—will peo- ple still go to see their doctors?
SCHÖNBRUNN “Simply allows?” One must . . .
ROLFS Now look, what if—and I’ve been drawing an invalidity pension all my life—what if I go off sick one day, then they might simply do away with me?
SCHÖNBRUNN For God’s sake! . . . The most important precondition would always be that the patient wished it!

Once again, that was ww2 nazi propaganda, not a 21st century discussion.
It’s unforgiveable to me that this was allowed into public legal and constitutional discourse, and became law.

Ich klage an - Wikipedia

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Kimmio Laughterlove said:

CityNews

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That's awful. No one should have to feel debt is a reason for MAID but I can see that happening. Same with people who have no family "surrounding" them and they have to decide if it's worth spending extra time just being alone and in pain. Not fair that those with loving families get to live better longer than those without.
 
I imagine there are more who don’t have loving families, people who will love and support basic needs for their life, unconditionally, than those who do. None of the regular folks with disabilities who came looking for advocacy support did. Well, few of them. Most were struggling to manage on their own - adults, who had no material support and little emotional support. We don’t hear about many either way except the “inspiration porn”.

Inspiration porn - Wikipedia

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Our country has fallen for old nazi propaganda, so public support for people with disabilities is diminished. The value of our lives is diminished. That’s what makes me so angry. And afraid. People can be so cruel - they even celebrated this laws passage without understanding fully its implications, neither historical nor present, it’s sickening - but in a kind disguise that they find ways to justify to themselves.
 
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ninjafaery said:
That's awful. No one should have to feel debt is a reason for MAID but I can see that happening. Same with people who have no family "surrounding" them and they have to decide if it's worth spending extra time just being alone and in pain. Not fair that those with loving families get to live better longer than those without.
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Her point was that she doesn’t want to die. The supports she needs to keep her pain manageable are not covered and that is why she’s in debt. She should not have to give up her life for this selfish society.
 
ninjafaery said:
That's awful. No one should have to feel debt is a reason for MAID but I can see that happening. Same with people who have no family "surrounding" them and they have to decide if it's worth spending extra time just being alone and in pain. Not fair that those with loving families get to live better longer than those without.
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It’s suicidal ideation, and a doctor helping someone kill themselves because they are in debt for pain treatments, is murder.

No doctor could legally kill someone who is able bodied, who went bankrupt over a bad financial decision, or because their job is obsolete and they are unemployed, or the myriad of social and financial reasons “normal” people consider committing suicide. They’d get help to sort their problems out.
 
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I’m also disheartened reading comments after CBC articles and such - people stating how fortunate we are to have this option so they don’t have to live their lives in an “undignified” manner, and needing help. That’s an acceptable thing to say now. Just like that. It’s such a hurtful thing to say. And they say it regardless of those whom they must think live “undignified” lives everyday. Like people living with disabilities never read those things like I just did. It’s dehumanizing. And the public agrees. I can think of some people living undignified lives, and it’s not because of disability, it’s because of corruption. But I also don’t think even an undignified life is a reason to cut it short.
 
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While I appreciate the link, I will never read this dozens of articles

can you post one current one about the current discussions going on?
 
This could ruin our free choice on escapism at best ...

Our notorious Fredericton killer has been quoted in court that he wasn't in mind when killing four ... presently we could take that as a purely emotional activity ... w/o forethought at past recollection and not presenting much future plot ... a kind of conspiracy by degree?
 
Lastpointe said:
While I appreciate the link, I will never read this dozens of articles

can you post one current one about the current discussions going on?
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I get these regularly in my inbox. Have a look at the links on it yourself if you want to. That's why I posted it. I guess the newest one is a paper written by the collective doctors, lawyers, academics in Disability Studies, etc who make up the VPS group:


Failing People with Disabilities Who Experience Systemic Suffering: Gaps in the Monitoring of Medical Assistance in Dying
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I get these regularly in my inbox. Have a look at the links on it yourself if you want to. That's why I posted it. I guess the newest one is a paper written by the collective doctors, lawyers, academics in Disability Studies, etc who make up the VPS group:


Failing People with Disabilities Who Experience Systemic Suffering: Gaps in the Monitoring of Medical Assistance in Dying
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That was a good article, and there were some disturbing cases, I agree.

I wish, though, that they hadn't diluted the legitimate concerns by including the ALS and COPD cases. I have a friend dying of ALS, and it is a very ugly thing. And I am personally terrified of COPD.
 
BetteTheRed said:
And I am personally terrified of COPD.
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OTOH, COPD is one condition we have a fair number of options for dealing with from medications, O2 therapy, medical devices to help clear passages, and so on. You can have COPD and still live fairly well for a long time if it is managed correctly.

ALS, on the other hand, is still pretty much guaranteed to incapacitate and I don't know that we have many options to control/manage it even now.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I get these regularly in my inbox. Have a look at the links on it yourself if you want to. That's why I posted it. I guess the newest one is a paper written by the collective doctors, lawyers, academics in Disability Studies, etc who make up the VPS group:


Failing People with Disabilities Who Experience Systemic Suffering: Gaps in the Monitoring of Medical Assistance in Dying
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thanks for posting that article

it certainly seems that a huge issue is the lack of appropriate facilities for people with significant physical issues.

i Was really struck by the cases where the people have no family or friends advocating for them, so they feel they might as well die
 
BetteTheRed said:
I have a friend dying of ALS, and it is a very ugly thing.
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I have a friend living with advanced ALS and she carries it beautifully. Whether she has MAID arrangements or not she has not disclosed to those of us that are not on her 'need to know' list.
 
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