Liberal Christian denominations

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Maybe because they are open to many other options for belief?

True, but equally true for Jews. No dogma there, other than a strong position for monotheism, which, interestingly enough, is probably better served by Buddhism than Christianity. Jew-Bu's are a real thing.
 
True, but equally true for Jews. No dogma there, other than a strong position for monotheism, which, interestingly enough, is probably better served by Buddhism than Christianity. Jew-Bu's are a real thing.
But Buddhism is non-theistic, no? Or does it vary by strand of Buddhism? I know that not all Buddhists are identical.
 
But Buddhism is non-theistic, no? Or does it vary by strand of Buddhism? I know that not all Buddhists are identical.

Jews care a great deal less about the non-theism of Buddhism than the perceived polytheism of Christianity, in my experience. i.e. Mono-nothing is okay...
 
Thank Jesus for the United Church. If there wasn't one in my neighbourhood I might've become a Baptist. :D

Seriously though, I was emotionally vulnerable at the time and had I not known, in my heart that Love was the priority getting lost in this world - I might've gone down a rabbit hole of belief - because I went to a couple of Baptist services and events and the people were very friendly and committed to hospitality but red flags went off about the theology and the lessons people were gleaning from it - much of it fear based - and I would've had to climb out of it had I gotten too deeply indoctrinated. They were almost Pentacostal-like. And at the United church I went to it was so open to learning - I learned so much (and WC has been a part of the journey too) but I wanted, felt I needed, less tradition and more "evangelism", just from a more loving theology than what I was associating with evangelism.
 
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Actually, and just to be precise, many Christians would not agree with the statement that "if it's love, its from God." They would point to Scripture, which says that "God is love" rather than "love is God" and then begin unpacking the word "love." So is it eros, or philia or storgos or agape? When applied to God, the word used is usually agape - so it would be argued by some that eros, philia and storgos are types of human love, but not what's meant by "God is love."

I've actually seen some who translate the Greek word "mania" (which is not in the New Testament) as love - an unhealthy, obsessive, controlling love. I'd argue that isn't love at all, but some do make the translation.

Does God cause mania in some traditions of society?
 
Jews care a great deal less about the non-theism of Buddhism than the perceived polytheism of Christianity, in my experience. i.e. Mono-nothing is okay...

Mono-nothing ... a great expanse or spread of a' void? Thus we are left in a sense of being distracted from the concept ... and the thought goes! Some resulting in a ration of insane activity between the pages ... a wisp of myth ensues ...

Tis to look the bowel (bowl?) right in the aye and say no ... unless that's what you want and need at the time ... after that the Ayer clears ... sometimes not as he sticks to it ...

Tis chancy to say least ... some label it quantum state ...
 
A late reflection on the subject: define "liberal".

On one hand, the United Church is probably one of the most liberal Christian denominations. There are other churches that are more liberal like the Metropolitan Community Church but they don't have many worship centres (as far as I know, MCC only has one in Toronto). Likewise, the Universalists seem fairly forward thinking, but they have few Worship centres (at least in Eastern Canada). But other aspects need to be considered as well:
  • Theology: Is it fair to compare Universalists to the United Church (or the Anglican Church)? Their perspective on Trinity, for instance, is quite different (I don't want to qualify one group as "better" or "worst" than any other, just recognize the difference).
  • Politics: When I had decided to "shop" for a church and denomination a little over 30 years ago, I found the United Church too politicized for my liking. I even thought it was a distraction to my faith. On the other hand I know that some people would say this proves that the Church does what it preaches and vice versa.
  • Local differences: There are a few Roman-Catholic churches that are, literally, heavens for LGBTQ people. Yes there are a few of these places where local authorities have found a way to go around the official policies. Likewise, some United Church communities are less welcoming to liberal ideology and I had been able to witness some instances of "Not in my backyard" behaviours. I suspect there are places that could go a bit further and be hostile to liberal ideology.
But the word "liberal" is often used as meaning the opposite of "conservative", and all the United churches I have visited have a very conservative attitude towards liturgy. Where ever I went to visit, the service was always the following:
– a few opening prayers, poems, etc.
– a few readings (2-3 generally)
– a sermon (usually longer than in most Anglicans or Roman-Catholic churches – decent length of 20-30 minutes)
– some closing prayers
– rarely (I have seen it only once), a Communion
– traditional church music, with hymns sung by the people (typically Voices United), sometimes with the help of a choir, and with support from an organ.

In its overall structure, this type of service looks very similar to the traditional Roman Catholic, Anglican or Lutheran service. I haven't seen any United Church offering gospel music, music with a band (drummers, electric guitar, etc.). To be fair, the Anglican Church has a few – very few – churches that veered away from the traditional model, but it seems that most traditional Churches have forgotten to cater to the "hip" crowd.

When I wonder about the future of the Church, I see there definitely is room for modern worship centres that use Praise music (with guitars and drums), Taizé music, even popular music that has a Christian message, alternative service forms with a bit more audiovisual content (have sermons with slides, discussion groups, etc.), small home groups during the week, etc.
Right now, there are quite a few of these in major cities and even in mid-size towns, but almost all of them have a very conservative theology. Can't we get that and liberal theology at the same time?

With Internet being ever more present, churches need to justify their presence even more. I can read the Bible online, read comments, find sermons and maybe even Christian groups on Facebook and Reddit (though I have never looked for that on Facebook). So the church needs to provide that little extra that can't be found on internet.

I'm sure it can be done. I jokingly told my daughter that she doesn't need to visit her boyfriend because she could contact him through Facebook and Skype. And she replied that "It's not the same". I wish the same answer could be said for our churches.
 
I guess I go to a church that caters to the 'hip' crowd, now. Average age 30 something. But between 20-55. Maybe one or two seniors, and lots of kids. Make that 1 week- 65 yrs age range, then. It was started by a young group who broke away from a more fundementalist evangelical congregation and embarked on a more liberal and progressive theology. And now it has people from all backgrounds. It kept the open and creative - hip I suppose - style and hospitality of its former self while adopting a more progressive theology.
 
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I am a member of a church in which all of the people are very hip. We are thankful to be a conservative, evangelical church with all age groups, and people from around the world. Our church is one great happy family and we warmly welcome everyone who visits us. All are invited to come discover our hipness and share with us their own.
 
Mgagnonlv - when I read a post such as yours I am quite sure that you didn't visit my home church UCC - we frequently have music other than our magnificant pipe organ - guitars, horns, drums, and bells. Voices United and especially More Voices have some lively music, taize, praise. Maybe we could use more praise choruses but not at the expense of theology. I would like to see more joyful, uplifting hymns for the post Easter season.
And yes, it would be nice to have more young people in the pews - but we have more now than we did a decade ago, and our Sunday School is growing.
As for large screens and projections - our architecture doesn't allow for them to be used effectively. I would hate to see them used more often than necessary - I love the high dome ceiling - the balcony (that I almost never go up but that is favoured by many people), the light streaming through our stain-glass windows, and our unique old pews.
Yes, you've got the order of service about right - Welcome and approach; hearing the word; and responding to the word. Sermons are generally about 20 min. Communion about once a month.
A good blend of old and new - progressive and conservative.
 
@Seeler,

I haven't visited all United churches throughout Canada and as I said, the issue I raised is common to most or all mainstream denominations, including the Anglican Church. I am glad to hear there are some United Churches with more vibrant music, good theology and some young people in the congregation.

@all
I don't want to suggest that one style is good and another one is bad; if my message was perceived that way by some, I'm sorry. My worry is that almost all major denominations follow the same style rather than offer variety. I hear the complaint about "hip style music" with poor sermons (theologically speaking), and my complaint is the "hip style music" seems to go with ultra conservative theology. Wouldn't it be interesting to offer the more appealing (for the younger crowd, it seems) hip style music with good, liberal and inclusive theology? We shouldn't let Vineyard Christian Fellowship and other similar churches take that entire hip market!

By the way, in the Anglican Church, there are a few churches with more modern music, but they quite often are the most conservative (and least LGBTQ-friendly) ones. So again, we have the same problem of not being modern and liberal.

Finally, with regard to my experience: as I hinted in my earlier message and have said before, I have obviously less experience with services in the United Church than with those in the Anglican Church (my current Church family) or Roman-Catholic Church (the Church I was born into). In the United Church, my experience is mostly in Montréal (centre part of the island, not the West Island suburb as buses are infrequent on Sunday mornings). Apart from that, I have visited a couple of small-town churches in the Maritimes and the Prairies (many years ago, while on vacation). I should also add a positive experience at the Camino de Emmaus church which has a small but vibrant congregation; however my command of Spanish is far too limited to attend regularly.
 
@Seeler,

I haven't visited all United churches throughout Canada and as I said, the issue I raised is common to most or all mainstream denominations, including the Anglican Church. I am glad to hear there are some United Churches with more vibrant music, good theology and some young people in the congregation.

@all
I don't want to suggest that one style is good and another one is bad; if my message was perceived that way by some, I'm sorry. My worry is that almost all major denominations follow the same style rather than offer variety. I hear the complaint about "hip style music" with poor sermons (theologically speaking), and my complaint is the "hip style music" seems to go with ultra conservative theology. Wouldn't it be interesting to offer the more appealing (for the younger crowd, it seems) hip style music with good, liberal and inclusive theology? We shouldn't let Vineyard Christian Fellowship and other similar churches take that entire hip market!

By the way, in the Anglican Church, there are a few churches with more modern music, but they quite often are the most conservative (and least LGBTQ-friendly) ones. So again, we have the same problem of not being modern and liberal.

Finally, with regard to my experience: as I hinted in my earlier message and have said before, I have obviously less experience with services in the United Church than with those in the Anglican Church (my current Church family) or Roman-Catholic Church (the Church I was born into). In the United Church, my experience is mostly in Montréal (centre part of the island, not the West Island suburb as buses are infrequent on Sunday mornings). Apart from that, I have visited a couple of small-town churches in the Maritimes and the Prairies (many years ago, while on vacation). I should also add a positive experience at the Camino de Emmaus church which has a small but vibrant congregation; however my command of Spanish is far too limited to attend regularly.

In my denomination, which is a conservative one, he have both hip style music and great, classic hymns AND wonderful sermons.
 
I am quite uncomfortable with all these comments about hips. I KNOW mine are significantly broader than they were fifty years ago.

Nothing like a broad beamed status if it is shared equally as the entire thing, out there, falls into perspective. Some isolated determinate people cannot deal with God's alter ego ... that leer from the other side ... so common when we cannot look at our self adequately ... except from the Shadow ... an imaginary personification ... like an OBI ... the kind of essence respected in the bible but denied because of lack of belief in essences ... smooth as a snake in the grass!

Thin there's the lack of the kid in us as ... youth in the social collective ... just Jack who would like to make war on naïveté and passive means of thought ... where decent activities are confined to a spot of mind ... being broad-based as a ass on which the mother of enlightenment rides as confined ball of energy ... from which the daemon of all enlightenment sometime emerges in a flash ... some say a NDE as being exposed to so much in a flash is ... humbling! That 'd be Marai-MU in one novel presentation ... paralleling the greatest myth ever told ... about the brain-mind communication ... often disconnected by dispassionate outbursts!

Is that curios or questionable when searching reasons for anything? Then "en" in English is like "in" which means contained or not in sight ... covering for what's in a body in the rye ... considering the darkness of heart found there. Dark being just what we don't know ... justifying any dispassionate nonsense whatsoever as anonymous functions. These are sais to be unknown or unconscious as on the auto spectrum ... it just is ... like autistic light when scattered few note it in their tomes and books of memes ... collective singular thoughts?

Life itself is strange ... know ... because we don't understand it either ... like gods it may cause conflicts in the intellectual stage that is behind the curtain, tapestry ,or veil of the myth that covers where it comes from ... a cereous "going's on" ...

Like Jack and Jilted over the briefness of those flashing encounters ... Catch 22? And Tous will come around again ... as Job encountered his soul-mate in another work of life ... without understanding unless there is a calm passion about the extents!

Presently word can't express immortal things as word does go that far either ... unless mobitized! Moe be it ... you'll know by the bite ... when the entire paradigm is stripped down ... do words then take flight?
 
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