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LAST STAND – UNIVERSAL OSTRICH FARM
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That is correct.
Does not change how badly the current events went off the rails.
Culling sick animals is sometimes necessary.
But that’s not what happened at this ostrich farm.
Because they were firing at night, in order to prevent media from attaining the gruesome truth, it’s likely some of the marksmen missed their HEALTHY targets even with portable lighting and scopes. That kill shot might have been the head — which is quite small and always moving. The body is less likely an instant kill but an easier target.
There will likely be a demand for both criminal, animal cruelty investigations and a public inquiry, under oath to determine how CFIA argues this was necessary. Hopefully the veterinary science schools will step up — especially Guelph which is considered one of the best in the world.
Below is the criminal code on animal cruelty.
After an international conference on Avian Flu — a Swedish vet and academic wrote a paper on acceptable killing methods. Shooting birds is listed under “Less Acceptable”. Here is the link.
CFIA’s own handbook says killing by shooting should only be used as a last resort. From a CTV story.
It’s difficult to know what happened during the actual killing but accounts of the infamous 1932 Emu War in Australia suggest the birds would have been very aware they were about to die. We can understand better the bird’s experience of it by looking at that case given the similarities between these species.
The military was deployed with machine guns to cull emus that had been ruining local farm crops. History reports that the emus won the battle because they were using strategy and tactics to stay alive including posting lookouts. From Britanica, link here.
“It soon became clear that one emu in each group served as a lookout to warn the others, giving them time to escape. Meredith stated publicly that the emus could “face machine guns with the invulnerability of tanks.” Such statements made military action against the emus increasingly unpopular, with opponents arguing that such treatment of emus was inhumane.”
These are intelligent creatures with a will to live and to protect themselves.
Why didn’t CFIA take advantage of offers to keep the birds alive by moving them to the United States?
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"What occurred at Universal Ostrich Farms likely represents a violation of our Criminal Code. This conclusion is based on evidence and years as a science and judicial reporter. Animal cruelty."Full story: https://trishwood.substack.com/p/was-the-ostrich-cull-a-criminal-act
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Species like humans?
So, if a human specimen (ie a Canadian) contracts & recovers from the avian flu or any such "dangerous to many other species virus", should they, their family, friends, coworkers & any pets they’ve been in contact with asymptomatically over 11 months be given some humane MAid?
Just in case?
No. Humans gotta look out for humans first.Species like humans?
So, if a human specimen (ie a Canadian) contracts & recovers from the avian flu or any such "dangerous to many other species virus", should they, their family, friends, coworkers & any pets they’ve been in contact with asymptomatically over 11 months be given some humane MAid?
Just in case?
Look I’m not happy about the birds dying. Maybe they should not have died but they definately could not have been put back into the food supply - that’s an unknown risk - not for farmers profit, but protected somewhere else. “Used for research” is a stretch when, who knows how humane that would’ve been and the outcome would likely be a vaccine that the same protesters would oppose. I just think the focus on this was excessive when there are far bigger human concerns. I wouldn’t be surprise if that shift in focus was deliberate counterintelligence - nevertheless, it’s a red herring.
Should the farmers be rewarded for raising and killing these birds for profit for decades before 2020? They weren’t guardians. They weren’t animal rights activists.
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You’re opposed to vaccines, don’t care if avian flu spreads through other species and the food supply, but were positively adamant all along that these birds should be taken to labs and used for antibody research for some “greater good” prevention effort (uhh..vaccines?…but don’t require vaccines, to save anything! /s) It just makes no sense! I’m sure it makes perfect sense to covert propagandists who got you to believe it. But it isn’t really about saving the ostriches.
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If you want to protect prehistoric birds call for a ban on raising them for food and profit. Otherwise it’s not about the prehistoric birds.
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The only safe place to be is in a great mind ... like a hole in reality because virtue is too good to be true and thus the folly ... like Slaughterhouse 5 ... too real to accept how we kill our selves off ... with hope that i'dell blow ova ...
Thus Ide goes ... nothing left but the alternate nothing ... what we amount to if we can't get something intelligent together without all the emotion ... an enigma ... paradoxically so ... so the word has it!
Thus Ide goes ... nothing left but the alternate nothing ... what we amount to if we can't get something intelligent together without all the emotion ... an enigma ... paradoxically so ... so the word has it!
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Should any human be rewarded for raising and killing animals (humans are animals too) for profit before 2020?
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It was a comment about how these birds evolved not about how they have to be a protected species and you know that. Focus on this issue. Over 300 healthy animals were executed in a violently traumatic way to display a show of force against dissent - to protect a stamping out policy that is not working.
Ostriches are being farmed all over the world for food and by products. That is not the issue here. The issue is that the animals were healthy and at this stage of their life of particular interest in the field of research around herd immunity.
You can spin it anyway you like. There was no good reason to kill these ostriches and that is what this thread is about. These ostriches and this family and their supporters who disagreed with the policy that allowed for policy to override common sense.
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So traumatize a group on the sidelines to distract from what is going on in the main tent.
Sounds plausible to me. Does not make it right.
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And to some humans other humans are nothing more than livestock to be disposed of in any way they see fit.
Yes but that’s a weird response. I don’t know how that invalidates my argument.
All things are up for contestation as mortals are said to thrive on competition ... well some of them! Other find the dark withering ... and then up-they-come ...
This is a bizarre what-about, even more than usual.
If the research yielded results leading to a vaccine you would not support rules around vaccination. Maybe most of the protesters at the BC ostrich farm wouldn’t support vaccines. The owners didn’t raise them for meat because they care so much about their welfare.
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Stop making it about vaccines. I do not support killing healthy animals or humans for policy sake and neither did the supporters of the farmers. Do you eat meat? Do you care about animal welfare?
It is about vaccines. And it’s about profit. Think about it. The farmers wanted the birds to be sold for antibody research after they couldn’t be used for meat and leather. How many ostriches died for their profit? And if they had been sold for antibody research - which contributes to vaccines - antivaxers crying about animal welfare of these animals is quite ironic when they wouldn’t mandate a vaccine to save the whole animal kingdom.
The birds died, one way or another. Before 2020 it was for profit, and people ate them. Those same special beautiful birds. What I’m saying is don’t give us all the stuff about how special they are to you when they were being killed for meat. That was used to pull on heartstrings but you didn’t care about protecting them, really though, did you? How were they killed prior to 2020?
Yes, I find shooting them the way it was done, bad. No worse than raising them to be killed in numbers and eaten for meat.
I eat meat (you couldn’t pay me to eat ostrich) - I rethink it often, have gone vegetarian before which gets expensive itself - but I’d absolutely be on board with a protective ban on prehistoric birds being raised and killed for meat and profit.
Don’t pretend the concern was about not killing prehistoric birds because they were prehistoric and special though. My friend felt that way. She died in a US hospital, the private system partly to blame. She was the best person I knew.
The birds died, one way or another. Before 2020 it was for profit, and people ate them. Those same special beautiful birds. What I’m saying is don’t give us all the stuff about how special they are to you when they were being killed for meat. That was used to pull on heartstrings but you didn’t care about protecting them, really though, did you? How were they killed prior to 2020?
Yes, I find shooting them the way it was done, bad. No worse than raising them to be killed in numbers and eaten for meat.
I eat meat (you couldn’t pay me to eat ostrich) - I rethink it often, have gone vegetarian before which gets expensive itself - but I’d absolutely be on board with a protective ban on prehistoric birds being raised and killed for meat and profit.
Don’t pretend the concern was about not killing prehistoric birds because they were prehistoric and special though. My friend felt that way. She died in a US hospital, the private system partly to blame. She was the best person I knew.
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I’m angry that you particularly because you’re who I know, are using animal welfare as your sticking point when you’d seriously risk everything dying from a pandemic for the freedom not to have vaccines. Yet you wouldn’t oppose them being sold to scientists to research antibodies for potential vaccines. And you don’t oppose the profit motive for the killing of special prehistoric animals. It’s the hypocrisy that bothers me.
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