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airclean33 --please read this post entirely so you might understand ----

Are you forgiven of all your sins airclean33 or just some of them ---are you living a perfect life ----no mistakes still made ---you are perfect in obedience to Christ all the time ---if you are not then how do you get to inherit God's Kingdom -----is it because your saved and have been made righteous and God sees not your mistakes you still execute ---all past --present and future sins are forgiven ----understand 1 Corinthians verses 9-10 are for unsaved people ---I have already posted this in the last post to Pr.jae ----verse 11 clarifies 9and 10 ---God sees us through His Son Jesus Christ who is sinless -----God's promise for saved people is that all sins and iniquity are forgiven ----you either believe this or you don't ------I believe that God does not see me as a wicked homosexual that once lived in this Physical world as a sinner -----I am not a sinner anymore ---I am a Saint in God's eyes -----I still live with my partner of 30 years who is a woman but God sees me not as a sinner but as a washed ---sanctified ---holy ---individual --justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ------just like He sees you even though you still live in this world and you still make mistakes -----we need to see ourselves the way God sees us ----not the way others see us in the world -----

I am forgiven and my sin-debt is paid.

Colossians 2:13-14
- When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

I am not under any written code ---I am under Grace ----the Spirit makes me an heir ---

Romans 8
Escape from Bondage

16 The Spirit Himself testifies and confirms together with our spirit [assuring us] that we [believers] are children of God.17 And if [we are His] children, [then we are His] heirs also: heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ [sharing His spiritual blessing and inheritance], if indeed we share in His suffering so that we may also share in His glory.

Galatians 4:6-7-8
Sons and Heirs
…6And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God. 8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.…

Also read ----(Acts 20:32; also Acts 26:18).on Heirs

What is the Kingdom of God -----read all here ----http://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-of-God.html

the kingdom of God is a spiritual rule over the hearts and lives of those who willingly submit to God’s authority. Those who defy God’s authority and refuse to submit to Him are not part of the kingdom of God; in contrast, those who acknowledge the lordship of Christ and gladly surrender to God’s rule in their hearts are part of the kingdom of God. In this sense, the kingdom of God is spiritual—Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world (John 18:36), and He preached that repentance is necessary to be a part of the kingdom of God (Matthew 4:17). That the kingdom of God can be equated with the sphere of salvation is evident inJohn 3:5–7, where Jesus says the kingdom of God must be entered into by being born again. See also1 Corinthians 6:9.

Here is another list of unrighteous behaviour that will not inherit the Kingdom of God -----but yet all can be saved and become heirs if they believe in Christ ---Jesus died so all people could be heirs through the Spirit -----we have to accept His Free Offer ---Have you or Pr.Jae violated any of this list if so then how can you become heirs ------it says very plainly ---will not inherit the Kingdom of God ----

Galatians 5:19–21

19 Now, the effects of the corrupt nature are obvious: illicit sex, perversion, promiscuity,20 idolatry, drug use, hatred, rivalry, jealousy, angry outbursts, selfish ambition, conflict, factions,21 envy, drunkenness, wild partying, and similar things. I’ve told you in the past and I’m telling you again that people who do these kinds of things will not inherit God’s kingdom.

you either believe this scripture or you don't ----verse --- 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their corrupt nature along with its passions and desires.25 If we live by our spiritual nature, then our lives need to conform to our spiritual nature.

Have you and Pr.Jae mastered verses 24- 25 yet--- have you completely conformed to your spiritual nature----25 If we live by our spiritual nature, then our lives need to conform to our spiritual nature. ------if not how are you heirs ----maybe you don't think you are heirs

When God Looks at His Children ---He looks at us Spiritually through His Son not as we were before in the flesh -----and that is the way we should see ourselves not as the world sees us but as God sees us -----our new life is Hid in Christ -----in all our getting get understanding ----


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reflecting-Jesus.jpg
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hiding%2Bin%2Bchrist.png


----- this is how God views us --Christ first ---God the Father does not see my previous life as it was ------He only sees my Spiritual New Life through His Son who died to give me a New Beginning in the Spiritual realm -----to reconnect with my Father in Heaven -------I am an Heir to all Spiritual Blessing through God's promise ----God does not lie ------

if you can't understand this you should pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you on this -------all unrighteous behaviour will not inherit the Kingdom of God --------- the only way to be righteous is to have the Holy Spirit ----- What you and Pr.Jae are implying is that homosexuals are excluded from being saved ----and that is false Doctrine ----Jesus died so all could be saved ----Period ----
Hopes this helps Brother ---God Bless





 
airclean33 --please read this post entirely so you might understand ----

Are you forgiven of all your sins airclean33 or just some of them ---are you living a perfect life ----no mistakes still made ---you are perfect in obedience to Christ all the time ---if you are not then how do you get to inherit God's Kingdom -----is it because your saved and have been made righteous and God sees not your mistakes you still execute ---all past --present and future sins are forgiven ----understand 1 Corinthians verses 9-10 are for unsaved people ---I have already posted this in the last post to Pr.jae ----verse 11 clarifies 9and 10 ---God sees us through His Son Jesus Christ who is sinless -----God's promise for saved people is that all sins and iniquity are forgiven ----you either believe this or you don't ------I believe that God does not see me as a wicked homosexual that once lived in this Physical world as a sinner -----I am not a sinner anymore ---I am a Saint in God's eyes -----I still live with my partner of 30 years who is a woman but God sees me not as a sinner but as a washed ---sanctified ---holy ---individual --justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ------just like He sees you even though you still live in this world and you still make mistakes -----we need to see ourselves the way God sees us ----not the way others see us in the world -----

I am forgiven and my sin-debt is paid.

Colossians 2:13-14
- When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

I am not under any written code ---I am under Grace ----the Spirit makes me an heir ---

Romans 8
Escape from Bondage

16 The Spirit Himself testifies and confirms together with our spirit [assuring us] that we [believers] are children of God.17 And if [we are His] children, [then we are His] heirs also: heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ [sharing His spiritual blessing and inheritance], if indeed we share in His suffering so that we may also share in His glory.

Galatians 4:6-7-8
Sons and Heirs
…6And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God. 8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.…

Also read ----(Acts 20:32; also Acts 26:18).on Heirs

What is the Kingdom of God -----read all here ----http://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-of-God.html

the kingdom of God is a spiritual rule over the hearts and lives of those who willingly submit to God’s authority. Those who defy God’s authority and refuse to submit to Him are not part of the kingdom of God; in contrast, those who acknowledge the lordship of Christ and gladly surrender to God’s rule in their hearts are part of the kingdom of God. In this sense, the kingdom of God is spiritual—Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world (John 18:36), and He preached that repentance is necessary to be a part of the kingdom of God (Matthew 4:17). That the kingdom of God can be equated with the sphere of salvation is evident inJohn 3:5–7, where Jesus says the kingdom of God must be entered into by being born again. See also1 Corinthians 6:9.

Here is another list of unrighteous behaviour that will not inherit the Kingdom of God -----but yet all can be saved and become heirs if they believe in Christ ---Jesus died so all people could be heirs through the Spirit -----we have to accept His Free Offer ---Have you or Pr.Jae violated any of this list if so then how can you become heirs ------it says very plainly ---will not inherit the Kingdom of God ----

Galatians 5:19–21

19 Now, the effects of the corrupt nature are obvious: illicit sex, perversion, promiscuity,20 idolatry, drug use, hatred, rivalry, jealousy, angry outbursts, selfish ambition, conflict, factions,21 envy, drunkenness, wild partying, and similar things. I’ve told you in the past and I’m telling you again that people who do these kinds of things will not inherit God’s kingdom.

you either believe this scripture or you don't ----verse --- 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their corrupt nature along with its passions and desires.25 If we live by our spiritual nature, then our lives need to conform to our spiritual nature.

Have you and Pr.Jae mastered verses 24- 25 yet--- have you completely conformed to your spiritual nature----25 If we live by our spiritual nature, then our lives need to conform to our spiritual nature. ------if not how are you heirs ----maybe you don't think you are heirs

When God Looks at His Children ---He looks at us Spiritually through His Son not as we were before in the flesh -----and that is the way we should see ourselves not as the world sees us but as God sees us -----our new life is Hid in Christ -----in all our getting get understanding ----


images
images


reflecting-Jesus.jpg
-
hiding%2Bin%2Bchrist.png


----- this is how God views us --Christ first ---God the Father does not see my previous life as it was ------He only sees my Spiritual New Life through His Son who died to give me a New Beginning in the Spiritual realm -----to reconnect with my Father in Heaven -------I am an Heir to all Spiritual Blessing through God's promise ----God does not lie ------

if you can't understand this you should pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you on this -------all unrighteous behaviour will not inherit the Kingdom of God --------- the only way to be righteous is to have the Holy Spirit ----- What you and Pr.Jae are implying is that homosexuals are excluded from being saved ----and that is false Doctrine ----Jesus died so all could be saved ----Period ----
Hopes this helps Brother ---God Bless





The third diagram explains everything. We have stomach cramps and Christ floats above us flat as a pancake shielding us from "it" monsters. We drift into Christ and become flat as a pancake too and the "it" monsters don't know we're there.

God doesn't lie. But Jesus looks like he's lying pretty flat.

I'm glad you have a sense of humour.

How does that diagram line up with your comments, though, exactly?
 
How many unforgivable sins are there?
--I would like to know how you ask Christ," to forgive your sin. Then go ahead and keep doing it"? So Pontifex can you explain it? By the way , I find myself in agreement with Chansen . Would you explain what this means to you?

Mat 12:32And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
 
The third diagram explains everything. We have stomach cramps and Christ floats above us flat as a pancake shielding us from "it" monsters. We drift into Christ and become flat as a pancake too and the "it" monsters don't know we're there.

God doesn't lie. But Jesus looks like he's lying pretty flat.

I'm glad you have a sense of humour.

How does that diagram line up with your comments, though, exactly?
--Thank you Kimmio. I seemed to have missed this. I will read very carefully and study it. airclean33.
 
--I would like to know how you ask Christ," to forgive your sin. Then go ahead and keep doing it"? So Pontifex can you explain it? By the way , I find myself in agreement with Chansen . Would you explain what this means to you?

Mat 12:32And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.


Hi Airclean, Yes, one unforgivable sin.
Homosexuality is not that sin.

King David, even as he was blessed by God, still managed adultery and then murder of a man loyal to him to cover it up. Then there is Paul in Romans 7, the do do chapter. We all continue to sin. If any of us became perfect, there would be no need of Jesus.

Don't have time to finish this post right now.
 
Hi Airclean, Yes, one unforgivable sin.
Homosexuality is not that sin.

King David, even as he was blessed by God, still managed adultery and then murder of a man loyal to him to cover it up. Then there is Paul in Romans 7, the do do chapter. We all continue to sin. If any of us became perfect, there would be no need of Jesus.

Don't have time to finish this post right now.
There is a marked difference though between sinning, realizing that sin was offensive to God, and repenting, vs. living a "happy" lifestyle in open rebellion to God. Becoming a Christian in no way gives one a license to sin and be okay about it. Indeed, life in the Spirit should lead one to break free from old patterns of sin - not to be at peace with them.
 
airclean33 to you and PR.Jae ----

Neither of you know me personally but I can tell you that I am Blessed beyond Blessed in my present life and state ----Jesus took all sickness and disease with Him On the Cross ----I am very healthy --no sickness --or disease in my old age could I don't allow it in ---I keep the weeds out of my good ground --I do what the word says and it works for me ----Period ----I can say I live a great Happy ---healthy ---joyest ---peaceful --prosperous life with my partner and that folks is the truth ---you can both belief what you want to ----It matters not to me -----you both live an openly sin life and you are both say you are saved ----so you are both active in offending God in your saved state -----Paul is a great example of this -----God says my Grace is sufficient ---we can believe or not ----

best thing for all of us to do is to not worry about who and how who inherits the Kingdom Of God ----and keep a check on our own selves and make sure we do what the word says to inherit the Kingdom of God ------cause we will all know the truth when we go before God -------pointless to worry about other groups and other people and how they view things and how the will fair out in the end ------

Keep a check on self ----God will look after the rest -----I love my life ---what about you both -----God is Great to me

God Bless Brother ------
 
I love my life ---what about you both


Yes unsafe, I love my life. I'm very thankful for it. One of the things I love about my life is that I don't live an open "happy" lifestyle of continual sin. Rather, should I sin, I repent because I understand that I've done something that has offended God.
 
Imagine someone in your church, divorced, then meets someone else, falls in love, marries, has a child.

Does your church throw the adulterer out until they break up yet another family? This type of sexual immorality is invisible unless you know the story.

Not all things black and white.
 
Imagine someone in your church, divorced, then meets someone else, falls in love, marries, has a child.

Does your church throw the adulterer out until they break up yet another family? This type of sexual immorality is invisible unless you know the story.

Not all things black and white.

What do you mean, "the adulterer"? There are biblical grounds for divorce.
 
Hi Unsafe Sister I have read only the bottom so far. I do I believe understand your thoughts on this.


images
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reflecting-Jesus.jpg
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hiding%2Bin%2Bchrist.png


----- this is how God views us --Christ first ---God the Father does not see my previous life as it was ------He only sees my Spiritual New Life through His Son who died to give me a New Beginning in the Spiritual realm -----to reconnect with my Father in Heaven -------I am an Heir to all Spiritual Blessing through God's promise ----God does not lie ------

if you can't understand this you should pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you on this -------all unrighteous behaviour will not inherit the Kingdom of God --------- the only way to be righteous is to have the Holy Spirit ----- What you and Pr.Jae are implying is that homosexuals are excluded from being saved ----and that is false Doctrine ----Jesus died so all could be saved ----Period ----
Hopes this helps Brother ---God Bless





The third diagram explains everything. We have stomach cramps and Christ floats above us flat as a pancake shielding us from "it" monsters. We drift into Christ and become flat as a pancake too and the "it" monsters don't know we're there.

God doesn't lie. But Jesus looks like he's lying pretty flat.

I'm glad you have a sense of humour.

How does that diagram line up with your comments, though, exactly?

Airclean--post-
I have always had a sense of humour Kiddo. I just don't get many times when I can use it.
The meaning to me in Colossians 3: To me would be Colossians3:5-11 Remember I have not gone over all you have given me unsafe . Also remember it is not my Job to Judge you. There is another who will judge both me" and you". In my company in the Army . We had a hundred and twenty Men. I loved them all, and would have died for any one of them. We slept together in one Barracks. Not in one bed though. But many times we got drunk together. You do know the word of GOD said no Drunkard shell inter into His Kingdom. Well I had been one of those. I did my share of sinning. But my life changed about 39 years ago. It changed to a walk with GOD .
 
unsafe said:
What you and Pr.Jae are implying is that homosexuals are excluded from being saved ---- and that is false Doctrine ----Jesus died so all could be saved ----Period ----

Just to be clear for everyone (my brother @airclean33 can speak for himself)...

1. I believe that God can save homosexuals.
2. I believe that Jesus died for the sins of one and all.
3. I believe that there is one condition upon every person for them to be saved - they must trust in Christ's saving power.
4. I believe that God has, before the very beginning of time, chosen an elect people whom He will save.
 
Hi Airclean, Yes, one unforgivable sin.
Homosexuality is not that sin.

King David, even as he was blessed by God, still managed adultery and then murder of a man loyal to him to cover it up. Then there is Paul in Romans 7, the do do chapter. We all continue to sin. If any of us became perfect, there would be no need of Jesus.

Don't have time to finish this post right now.
--Airclean--post--Hi Pontifex--Yes I am afraid I didn't have time today. As Fri I have a Bible study. Yes I agree Homosexuality is not that sin. Nor had I said it was.
 
Hi Unsafe-- You posted--
you either believe this scripture or you don't ----verse --- 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their corrupt nature along with its passions and desires.25 If we live by our spiritual nature, then our lives need to conform to our spiritual nature.

Have you and Pr.Jae mastered verses 24- 25 yet--- have you completely conformed to your spiritual nature----25 If we live by our spiritual nature, then our lives need to conform to our spiritual nature. ------if not how are you heirs ----maybe you don't think you are heirs

When God Looks at His Children ---He looks at us Spiritually through His Son not as we were before in the flesh -----and that is the way we should see ourselves not as the world sees us but as God sees us -----our new life is Hid in Christ -----in all our getting get understanding ----

Airclean--post --Hi Sister I will find no fault in this post Sister . We have been here for a few years now and I have read some great posts from you . Please keep it up. airclean33-- Gord. peace. All Glory is GODS.
 
airclean33 --please read this post entirely so you might understand ----

Are you forgiven of all your sins airclean33 or just some of them ---are you living a perfect life ----no mistakes still made ---you are perfect in obedience to Christ all the time ---if you are not then how do you get to inherit God's Kingdom -----is it because your saved and have been made righteous and God sees not your mistakes you still execute ---all past --present and future sins are forgiven ----understand 1 Corinthians verses 9-10 are for unsaved people ---I have already posted this in the last post to Pr.jae ----verse 11 clarifies 9and 10 ---God sees us through His Son Jesus Christ who is sinless -----God's promise for saved people is that all sins and iniquity are forgiven ----you either believe this or you don't ------I believe that God does not see me as a wicked homosexual that once lived in this Physical world as a sinner -----I am not a sinner anymore ---I am a Saint in God's eyes -----I still live with my partner of 30 years who is a woman but God sees me not as a sinner but as a washed ---sanctified ---holy ---individual --justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ------just like He sees you even though you still live in this world and you still make mistakes -----we need to see ourselves the way God sees us ----not the way others see us in the world -----

I am forgiven and my sin-debt is paid.

Colossians 2:13-14
- When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

I am not under any written code ---I am under Grace ----the Spirit makes me an heir ---

Romans 8
Escape from Bondage

16 The Spirit Himself testifies and confirms together with our spirit [assuring us] that we [believers] are children of God.17 And if [we are His] children, [then we are His] heirs also: heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ [sharing His spiritual blessing and inheritance], if indeed we share in His suffering so that we may also share in His glory.

Galatians 4:6-7-8
Sons and Heirs
…6And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God. 8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.…

Also read ----(Acts 20:32; also Acts 26:18).on Heirs

What is the Kingdom of God -----read all here ----http://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-of-God.html

the kingdom of God is a spiritual rule over the hearts and lives of those who willingly submit to God’s authority. Those who defy God’s authority and refuse to submit to Him are not part of the kingdom of God; in contrast, those who acknowledge the lordship of Christ and gladly surrender to God’s rule in their hearts are part of the kingdom of God. In this sense, the kingdom of God is spiritual—Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world (John 18:36), and He preached that repentance is necessary to be a part of the kingdom of God (Matthew 4:17). That the kingdom of God can be equated with the sphere of salvation is evident inJohn 3:5–7, where Jesus says the kingdom of God must be entered into by being born again. See also1 Corinthians 6:9.

Here is another list of unrighteous behaviour that will not inherit the Kingdom of God -----but yet all can be saved and become heirs if they believe in Christ ---Jesus died so all people could be heirs through the Spirit -----we have to accept His Free Offer ---Have you or Pr.Jae violated any of this list if so then how can you become heirs ------it says very plainly ---will not inherit the Kingdom of God ----

Galatians 5:19–21

19 Now, the effects of the corrupt nature are obvious: illicit sex, perversion, promiscuity,20 idolatry, drug use, hatred, rivalry, jealousy, angry outbursts, selfish ambition, conflict, factions,21 envy, drunkenness, wild partying, and similar things. I’ve told you in the past and I’m telling you again that people who do these kinds of things will not inherit God’s kingdom.

you either believe this scripture or you don't ----verse --- 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their corrupt nature along with its passions and desires.25 If we live by our spiritual nature, then our lives need to conform to our spiritual nature.

Have you and Pr.Jae mastered verses 24- 25 yet--- have you completely conformed to your spiritual nature----25 If we live by our spiritual nature, then our lives need to conform to our spiritual nature. ------if not how are you heirs ----maybe you don't think you are heirs

When God Looks at His Children ---He looks at us Spiritually through His Son not as we were before in the flesh -----and that is the way we should see ourselves not as the world sees us but as God sees us -----our new life is Hid in Christ -----in all our getting get understanding ----


images
images


reflecting-Jesus.jpg
-
hiding%2Bin%2Bchrist.png


----- this is how God views us --Christ first ---God the Father does not see my previous life as it was ------He only sees my Spiritual New Life through His Son who died to give me a New Beginning in the Spiritual realm -----to reconnect with my Father in Heaven -------I am an Heir to all Spiritual Blessing through God's promise ----God does not lie ------

if you can't understand this you should pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you on this -------all unrighteous behaviour will not inherit the Kingdom of God --------- the only way to be righteous is to have the Holy Spirit ----- What you and Pr.Jae are implying is that homosexuals are excluded from being saved ----and that is false Doctrine ----Jesus died so all could be saved ----Period ----
Hopes this helps Brother ---God Bless




GO SISTAH!!!
 
Hi Airclean, Yes, one unforgivable sin.
Homosexuality is not that sin.

King David, even as he was blessed by God, still managed adultery and then murder of a man loyal to him to cover it up. Then there is Paul in Romans 7, the do do chapter. We all continue to sin. If any of us became perfect, there would be no need of Jesus.

Don't have time to finish this post right now.

Thus the reason knowledge is wrong ... if one didn't know could they remain with naïveté?

How many metaphors are there for naïveté? I couldn't know because the bible tells me knowledge and wisdom is evil ... Genesis ... knowing any different would make me a different kind of ideal ... a shadowy idealism!

Simple as black and white without clues in the grey matter ... then is mind (soul/psyche) over matter ... a higher domain?
 
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