Is Our Faith Useless Without The Ressurection?
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What goes down must come up ... eventually ... if only to match what goes up ...
This is all necessary to balance out the Zero Sum Rule as all adds up in the integral of nothing as the powers claim they had nothing to do with anything that went wrong ... nothing tuit!
This is all necessary to balance out the Zero Sum Rule as all adds up in the integral of nothing as the powers claim they had nothing to do with anything that went wrong ... nothing tuit!
I was taught that Easter is the highest celebration of the church....but still wonder if what drew the crowds before the resurrection, is even enough for some now.
Thus it comes up with the fringe wishing to cause it to descend! The season of hare and fuzzies ...
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As it has existed over the past couple thousand years? Likely not. The Crucifixion-Resurrection narrative is too central to the faith as we know it.
OTOH, perhaps some other form of Christ-centred church would have happened. I am entirely unsure of what it would look like though. Once you dump Easter, not sure there is much to separate Christianity from being a splinter sect of Judaism. In fact, would there have been anything in his teaching to fuel Paul's mission to the Gentiles? His actual teachings aren't that much different from some other philosophical and religious teachers of the era and his appeal was really more in the vein of a Jewish prophet so perhaps not. And absent the extension of the message to Gentiles, I am not sure anything resembling the modern church is possible.
Pavlos Maros
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The whole of Christianity rest on that one belief. That Jesus was god risen. Without that it is just a person, who may have or may not been crucified. a person dying for your sins isn't even mouth worthy, but the vicarious redemption of a god. Well you know the answer to that. You believe all that hullabaloo.
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Is Our Faith Useless Without The Ressurection?
Your Human faith which relies on what you -----see -- --Hear --Taste ---Touch --and Smell ---would not be useless without the Resurrection -----we are born with this non producing faith
God's Faith which Relies on what we don't see ----comes by way of Hearing the Living Word ---who is Jesus ----so God's Producing Saving Faith would definitely be of no use if there was no Resurrection -----the whole Bible would be a big fat lie ---Right from Genesis to Revelation is all about God the Father's plan to Bring His Son in the Flesh into this world to shed His Blood --be Crucified and be Resurrected to bring back eternal life which was taken from God's Creation in the Garden when sin entered ------and brought in eternal death ------
So without the Resurrection --there would be no True Christ-ianity ----so there would be no Saving Faith ----
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The institution depends on the resurrection story. For many, it also depends on the promise of the Second Coming. Different parts of his story hold Different individuals in the community.
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Would you say the resurrection is more hellenistic or Jewish in nature? Or both?
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A very good question. I need to consider what we mean by resurrection.
According to our story, Jesus was raised from the dead, had or did not have a body that could be touched, looked different, but still had the wounds in his hands, feet and side, but did not have them or he would have been immediately recognizable, hung around for a few weeks appearing here and there, and then ascended into heaven.
I do not know if any Hellenist belief included the concept of heaven or of someone dying and coming back to life in a bit different form.
The part of Judaism shared by Pharisees, Essences, and the followers of Jesus believed in an afterlife in which there would be a judgement followed by life in heaven or hell, a belief behind the story of the rich man and Lazarus. This afterlife will be in a body of some sort but not in this world. We have images from Ezekiel and Revelations about what that life might be like. For many people, that life is in heaven above the clouds.
The bit about a resurrected body in heaven is Jewish from the time of the Macabbees. In Judaism before that, ehrnnyoubdie, you are dead, period.
Jesus appearing here and there does not seem to fit anywhere except, possibly, some Eastern religions or the Isis cult.
Looking closely at the various versions of the resuurection of Jesus can lead to confusion. Looking at many hymns reveals different beliefs about resurrection life.
The only confident answer I can give is that the resurrection stories seem to be amalgams of bizarre experiences by the community after Jesus died with a variety of religious traditions.
According to our story, Jesus was raised from the dead, had or did not have a body that could be touched, looked different, but still had the wounds in his hands, feet and side, but did not have them or he would have been immediately recognizable, hung around for a few weeks appearing here and there, and then ascended into heaven.
I do not know if any Hellenist belief included the concept of heaven or of someone dying and coming back to life in a bit different form.
The part of Judaism shared by Pharisees, Essences, and the followers of Jesus believed in an afterlife in which there would be a judgement followed by life in heaven or hell, a belief behind the story of the rich man and Lazarus. This afterlife will be in a body of some sort but not in this world. We have images from Ezekiel and Revelations about what that life might be like. For many people, that life is in heaven above the clouds.
The bit about a resurrected body in heaven is Jewish from the time of the Macabbees. In Judaism before that, ehrnnyoubdie, you are dead, period.
Jesus appearing here and there does not seem to fit anywhere except, possibly, some Eastern religions or the Isis cult.
Looking closely at the various versions of the resuurection of Jesus can lead to confusion. Looking at many hymns reveals different beliefs about resurrection life.
The only confident answer I can give is that the resurrection stories seem to be amalgams of bizarre experiences by the community after Jesus died with a variety of religious traditions.
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I'd still call myself a Christian
I still struggle with concepts like the Trinity
Or Jesus' Identity
But those aren't vitally important for me
Pavlos Maros
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The character referred to as Jesus, was deemed as good and moral. So to follow those teaching cant be a bad thing, whether the character existed or not. However there are some scriptures written about the character that if he existed are quite questionable. Sadly I doubt that any christian really follows the good teachings to the letter.
But many would put that light of sentience (intelligent?) into a dull and thick place ... the experience of lights out in GEO Ghia! It is an obscure message ... cause the truth cannot be told ... for reason were are forbidden to speak ... creating inefficacy, unspeakable communion! Sacred matters ...
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Yes we are selective about what we read in the Bible. I am also starting to think we are selective about the Jesus we follow.
I believe that Jesus existed. But he was one complex character. I think we all have our favorite views of him.
Liberal Christians (including myself) tend to go with Jesus as ethical teacher and social reformer. But he was also an apocalyptic preacher who was expecting the world to end anytime soon. Among other things.
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For the Jewish people,tl the destruction of Jerusslem and the temple a bitbpver 20 years later would have felt like an apocalyptic event. Judaism was permanently changed by the loss of the temple.
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It's definitely not easy
A lot like being human ain't easy
So many distractions and Buts
I like that quote by Gandhi when he was asked what he thought of Christianity...
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AIEEEEE! :3
Cats and dogs living in harmony!
Mendalla
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To be precise: "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"
One of the best Bill Murray lines ever.