Is Ontario headed for another Wynne win?
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dreamerman
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Because it's going to be something Ford and his team use in a strong way to encourage people on the fence to join his camp.
That plus, as you can sense from my writing at WC2, I personally feel such radical sex-ed is pretty debased.
You really have a bone to pick with Wynne and the sex ed. I thought after all that time you would have went soft on it.
Why? I felt it was wrongful when she and her crew introduced it, and I still feel it's wrongful. Why would the passage of time change that.
Imho, kids should be allowed to be kids, and the adults who should be regarded as firstly responsible for their upbringing and education are their parents - not the state.
I feel she and her friends owe the children and their parents an apology for introducing such a radical sex-ed program. I understand that you and some others feel differently.
As for my voting, I haven't decided whether to vote in this election or not. I plan to be outside of Canada. That said, I've voted for a number of different parties in the past, including the Liberals.
Mendalla
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Which is the same problem I have with Wynne's policies, many of which have been cribbed from the NDP playbook. The fact is, we do not have a centrist party with a balanced agenda in this province right now. The PCs are veering right (though Brown at least tried to pull them back into the centre but all bets are off now with Ford in charge), the other two are veering left.
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Still not sure you actually think this, even though you're religious enough to fit in that camp.
Look around you. It's the religious crazies and almost nobody else who think this is an issue. You're surrounded by morons or people who really don't want kids to be comfortable with their bodies. Gee, I wonder why the Catholic Church doesn't want kids to be comfortable talking about sexual touching?
If anti-sex-ed becomes a major part of the PC platform, and with Tanya Granic Allen on board, you know it will, this could be the religious-school-funding issue all over again for the PCs. It could be even worse than having a mid-level drug dealer for a leader.
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The issue of Wynne's radical sex-ed may seem to some like a surprise to the election problem.
Parents, however, feel the sex-ed is seriously harming their children - in that it is teaching their kids that the most intimate sex in human relationships is morally neutral.
Opinion | Should Ontario’s sex-ed curriculum be changed? Yes, writes Scott Masson.
Ritafee
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Introduction into the curriculum
The goal of lowering the age of consent to 6 years ...
And if you did not ('for some strange reason' - 'because why wouldn't you' - 'sex is great' - 'the earlier the better') consent but were coerced in any way - best to be educated when you testify against your 'abuser' - know your 'rights' - name those many-gendered body parts correctly - if you want your testimony to be 'believable' for those #childhood-metoo regrettable moments.
What would Jesus know about sex anyway and why would he say such silly things as:
Anyone causing children to stumble ...
- that self-control is unnecessary
- there is no reason not to participate in casual sex
- you should not resist your urges as long as it is ‘safe sex’ that you aim for
- abortion is always an alternative if 'safe sex' just did not work out for you
- if you cannot get pregnant or impregnate anyone with your particular choice of sexual activity ...
The goal of lowering the age of consent to 6 years ...
- never going to happen if 6 year-olds are not familiar with what they 'want to consent to'.
And if you did not ('for some strange reason' - 'because why wouldn't you' - 'sex is great' - 'the earlier the better') consent but were coerced in any way - best to be educated when you testify against your 'abuser' - know your 'rights' - name those many-gendered body parts correctly - if you want your testimony to be 'believable' for those #childhood-metoo regrettable moments.
What would Jesus know about sex anyway and why would he say such silly things as:
Anyone causing children to stumble ...
- it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned .
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Debased as removed from the common understanding? Is Ford Irish ... suffering the stirrup of orange and green ... the unknown about to be screwed by those knowing and without care an feeling (misunderstood sensation)? Green is natural ... like a Leis in the woods ... fecundity as driven in the darkness under the trees ... reference Jude and the Tamarisk plant ... from which Tamara may extend ... but perhaps not if you are stuck on 2 Dei ... presence of isolated self?
In the east the Lei is Lotus ... underfoot because of the misunderstanding of flat out emotions ... no give to eM until Ham err'd in the folly of logical fallacy! Any logic can be swayed by emotions aside ... awesome spot ... for the dotter in fools ... stuck by hoe Eire moans out on the Moors? --- Jayne Err! That's an ism too once encountered allows a break in the work of wisdom ... like dialogue and intercourse with ... you know who!
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revjohn
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No real horse in the race, apart from the realization that what is good for Ontario is good for Canada.
Knowing that the long-serving MPP of my former riding was retiring after 5 terms representing the riding of Brant I was curious as to who would be contesting his soon to be vacant seat in the upcoming election.
Liberals: They will be represented by Ruby Toor who is currently the Administrator of a local area retirement home. Ms. Toor defeated Rick Petrella the current chair of the Brant-Haldimand-Norfolk District School Board. Petrella I have heard of (the school board is in the news for this and that thing pretty frequently), Toor I have never heard of before. I am familiar with the retirement home she has worked for having rescued a resident who became disoriented and wandered away. Toor was tapped to represent the Liberals in the riding back in August of 2017 after current MPP Dave Levac communicated the intent to retire last May. Doesn't really fit the profile of a rat leaving a sinking ship. MPP Levac is currently the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario and has served the riding of Brant for 19 years. He has also served as Speaker for the last 7 years.
MPP's narrowest electoral victory came in 1999 when he bested Conservative candidate Alayne Sokoloski by 1, 046 votes. His most lopsided electoral victory was 2003 when he bested Conservative Candidate Alayne Sokoloski by 10, 618 votes (this was the rematch to a very close election previously).
Conservatives: They will be represented by Willem Bouma who is currently a Councillor for the County of Brant and an optometrist in the village of St. George, ON which is located in the County of Brant's north. According to reporting, he took the nomination in an extremely lopsided victory beating a former City of Brantford Councillor/Business Man Mark Littell and another Business Man Sulemon Khokar. I was aware that Bouma served on the County of Brant Council saw the signs in the various campaigns for the County. Mark Littell, I know slightly better since he served on the council of my home city. He served for one term before thinking he would challenge for the Mayor's chair. He was thumped and then was found to be in violation of the Elections Act and suspended from running for public office in the Province of Ontario. That ruling was overturned by a Province of Ontario Superior Court Justice less than a year after the initial suspension.
NDP: They will be represented by Alex Felsky who was roughly 5,000 votes behind MPP Levac in the last Provincial election. I know of Ms. Felsky better than Toor or Bouma. I am not a fan and would never vote for her. Ms. Felsky is currently a Trustee serving the Brant-Haldimand-Norfolk District School Board and a Business Woman. It looks like Ms. Felsky won the nomination by acclimation facing no contenders for the candidacy. That seems in line with my knowledge of the Brant riding NDP association.
Green: They have yet to announce who will represent them.
Libertarian: They will be represented by Rob Ferguson. This will be his second kick at the can. Mr. Ferguson managed to rake in 374 votes during the 2014 election. Mr. Ferguson owns a Marketing and Advertising business (not sure which one). Mr. Ferguson claims to be known throughout Ontario and North America as a family advocate that might well be true even though I have never heard of him. Mr. Ferguson is currently the Deputy Leader of the Ontario Libertarian Party. As of March 1, 2018 Mr. Ferguson was acquitted of an assault charge laid against him in a dispute over diabled priority seating on a nearly empty bus. In the words of presiding magistrate Justice Collette Good, "The whole dispute was over a turf war over seats on a bus." Mr. Ferguson represented himself over the course of the trial and intends launch a Human Rights Complaint against the City of Brantford for obstructing the case and denying him evidence and the Brantford Police for negligence.
None of the Above: Yes, apparently it is a legitimate political party and claims that all running under their banner are to be considered independants. This party will be represented by Nicholas Archer about whom I know precious little other than he is 23 and holds a Laboratory Technician Diploma and we went to the same High School. I might drop my daughters a line and see what they know about him since they would have been at the same high-school at the same time as Mr. Archer.
Knowing that the long-serving MPP of my former riding was retiring after 5 terms representing the riding of Brant I was curious as to who would be contesting his soon to be vacant seat in the upcoming election.
Liberals: They will be represented by Ruby Toor who is currently the Administrator of a local area retirement home. Ms. Toor defeated Rick Petrella the current chair of the Brant-Haldimand-Norfolk District School Board. Petrella I have heard of (the school board is in the news for this and that thing pretty frequently), Toor I have never heard of before. I am familiar with the retirement home she has worked for having rescued a resident who became disoriented and wandered away. Toor was tapped to represent the Liberals in the riding back in August of 2017 after current MPP Dave Levac communicated the intent to retire last May. Doesn't really fit the profile of a rat leaving a sinking ship. MPP Levac is currently the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario and has served the riding of Brant for 19 years. He has also served as Speaker for the last 7 years.
MPP's narrowest electoral victory came in 1999 when he bested Conservative candidate Alayne Sokoloski by 1, 046 votes. His most lopsided electoral victory was 2003 when he bested Conservative Candidate Alayne Sokoloski by 10, 618 votes (this was the rematch to a very close election previously).
Conservatives: They will be represented by Willem Bouma who is currently a Councillor for the County of Brant and an optometrist in the village of St. George, ON which is located in the County of Brant's north. According to reporting, he took the nomination in an extremely lopsided victory beating a former City of Brantford Councillor/Business Man Mark Littell and another Business Man Sulemon Khokar. I was aware that Bouma served on the County of Brant Council saw the signs in the various campaigns for the County. Mark Littell, I know slightly better since he served on the council of my home city. He served for one term before thinking he would challenge for the Mayor's chair. He was thumped and then was found to be in violation of the Elections Act and suspended from running for public office in the Province of Ontario. That ruling was overturned by a Province of Ontario Superior Court Justice less than a year after the initial suspension.
NDP: They will be represented by Alex Felsky who was roughly 5,000 votes behind MPP Levac in the last Provincial election. I know of Ms. Felsky better than Toor or Bouma. I am not a fan and would never vote for her. Ms. Felsky is currently a Trustee serving the Brant-Haldimand-Norfolk District School Board and a Business Woman. It looks like Ms. Felsky won the nomination by acclimation facing no contenders for the candidacy. That seems in line with my knowledge of the Brant riding NDP association.
Green: They have yet to announce who will represent them.
Libertarian: They will be represented by Rob Ferguson. This will be his second kick at the can. Mr. Ferguson managed to rake in 374 votes during the 2014 election. Mr. Ferguson owns a Marketing and Advertising business (not sure which one). Mr. Ferguson claims to be known throughout Ontario and North America as a family advocate that might well be true even though I have never heard of him. Mr. Ferguson is currently the Deputy Leader of the Ontario Libertarian Party. As of March 1, 2018 Mr. Ferguson was acquitted of an assault charge laid against him in a dispute over diabled priority seating on a nearly empty bus. In the words of presiding magistrate Justice Collette Good, "The whole dispute was over a turf war over seats on a bus." Mr. Ferguson represented himself over the course of the trial and intends launch a Human Rights Complaint against the City of Brantford for obstructing the case and denying him evidence and the Brantford Police for negligence.
None of the Above: Yes, apparently it is a legitimate political party and claims that all running under their banner are to be considered independants. This party will be represented by Nicholas Archer about whom I know precious little other than he is 23 and holds a Laboratory Technician Diploma and we went to the same High School. I might drop my daughters a line and see what they know about him since they would have been at the same high-school at the same time as Mr. Archer.
Ritafee
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Glad you got my point ... it is dumb and dumber to be talking about sex education and 'religious' protest of same ... these 'political leaders' do have other agenda's - besides getting a bunch of idiots to go over and over and over the sex-ed curriculum - like it even matters - if you put your kids in a public school - you will get what the indoctrination of the day is calling for. What else matters - oh right - whether or not our leaders do or do not deal drugs, whether they profess to be christian or not, and of course their sex lives - get a grip people - does not matter a whit what you talk about here - your leaders do not give a second thought to what you do or do not approve of. Voting for two seconds in an election ... way to go. You have fulfilled your obligation to your 'leaders' - and now you are no longer necessary to them. Dumb and dummer and dummer and dummer - just trying to participate in the conversation ... wanted to get down to the proper level of rhetoric in keeping with the narrative. I have no idea what the sex ed is teaching your children - my grandson seems to have gotten some good out of his - he has decided not to have sex at all - it all sounds 'too dangerous' to him ... hope he keeps that train of thought until he is sure of what he wants or does not want to do. And if I had young children of my own - with the technology available today - I would not put them in public school - period.
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Self discipline is very important at every age, especially the adults who claim it but are hard put to live it.
Young children need tools first they need to respect themselves, then learn some ways to manage, or discover
how to negotiate. Three years have don it in my presence and loved it when all the working out ended at peace with the other.
I have seen it and know it can work without much adults interference. 'Play' is time to practice the skills of being together and getting something accomplished. Whether it's play, or a task.
Was I surprised when it worked, yes. At least ho well it went over and was used in their times of group activity.
Children know their bodied more than we know their body. They live inside it and feel everything we do. They don't likely understand it all, or how what works and why, but that is the parents' needing to let them know as they discover themselves and others. They notice more than they can tell you even if they tried. It will come. But when a young child asks certain questions and we shy away, they will leave it be, for a time, then if you don't enlighten them, someone else will.
Sexuality is to be enjoyed I believe, we are made for joy in many aspects of our life. Truth about who we are will come out
and it best to accept who we are to be healthy as whole created beings.
As for Political Parties, the strange call these days is to win. Win what/ Votes... why? Whoever gets into power is supposed to be servants of the people. Not gougers, or for rich, or for anything but all the people. So many are left out, God will not
leave anyone out. But that love is unconditional and humans find it very hard to do that. But it is the example we need to be living to keep this world from self destruction.
Stuff and money need to bow to human needs and shared to make a democratic, as even as possible society.
All the matters such as education, social media, and all the rhetoric passed back and forth boils down to
serving the public as best they can without prejudice and any other dark matters getting in the way.
I would like to see debates done fairly with no bad mouthing anyone, any other party, and just take that time
to speak only about themselves, their own party and their own plans to follow through. How else does know who to vote for
if they are busy attacking anything. Now that calls for self discipline doesn't it?
All that time wasted about others when they could be heralding their position and their own cause.
I am always surprised they don't get it... it is their time and they use it up being against, instead of being for.
The constituents are not idle, or uninformed, they are seeking those who are supporting them in some way.
Forget the other parties, they speak for themselves.
That by the way, were the rules of debate a while ago and we got more out of that night of information to vote from
that ever before. People left with a balanced approach. Now some will drop this idea like a hot potato, but it what we need to get back to. Some balance and information. If you start bad mouthing, a warning, then cut off, till next round.
Sounds like school and that is silly to think we cannot control our speak. It is what we want it to be, and so it can be improved. Balances make for a peaceable outcome. Then matters can solved and resolved.... Maybe heaven forbid, forgiven.
Now that would bring more peace to this world and interrupt the assaults on human beings.
Peace be with you.... and pass it on.
Young children need tools first they need to respect themselves, then learn some ways to manage, or discover
how to negotiate. Three years have don it in my presence and loved it when all the working out ended at peace with the other.
I have seen it and know it can work without much adults interference. 'Play' is time to practice the skills of being together and getting something accomplished. Whether it's play, or a task.
Was I surprised when it worked, yes. At least ho well it went over and was used in their times of group activity.
Children know their bodied more than we know their body. They live inside it and feel everything we do. They don't likely understand it all, or how what works and why, but that is the parents' needing to let them know as they discover themselves and others. They notice more than they can tell you even if they tried. It will come. But when a young child asks certain questions and we shy away, they will leave it be, for a time, then if you don't enlighten them, someone else will.
Sexuality is to be enjoyed I believe, we are made for joy in many aspects of our life. Truth about who we are will come out
and it best to accept who we are to be healthy as whole created beings.
As for Political Parties, the strange call these days is to win. Win what/ Votes... why? Whoever gets into power is supposed to be servants of the people. Not gougers, or for rich, or for anything but all the people. So many are left out, God will not
leave anyone out. But that love is unconditional and humans find it very hard to do that. But it is the example we need to be living to keep this world from self destruction.
Stuff and money need to bow to human needs and shared to make a democratic, as even as possible society.
All the matters such as education, social media, and all the rhetoric passed back and forth boils down to
serving the public as best they can without prejudice and any other dark matters getting in the way.
I would like to see debates done fairly with no bad mouthing anyone, any other party, and just take that time
to speak only about themselves, their own party and their own plans to follow through. How else does know who to vote for
if they are busy attacking anything. Now that calls for self discipline doesn't it?
All that time wasted about others when they could be heralding their position and their own cause.
I am always surprised they don't get it... it is their time and they use it up being against, instead of being for.
The constituents are not idle, or uninformed, they are seeking those who are supporting them in some way.
Forget the other parties, they speak for themselves.
That by the way, were the rules of debate a while ago and we got more out of that night of information to vote from
that ever before. People left with a balanced approach. Now some will drop this idea like a hot potato, but it what we need to get back to. Some balance and information. If you start bad mouthing, a warning, then cut off, till next round.
Sounds like school and that is silly to think we cannot control our speak. It is what we want it to be, and so it can be improved. Balances make for a peaceable outcome. Then matters can solved and resolved.... Maybe heaven forbid, forgiven.
Now that would bring more peace to this world and interrupt the assaults on human beings.
Peace be with you.... and pass it on.