Is God's Love Really Unconditional ? ---

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If the Bible says, "The only equine animal God owns is a black horse," and Mr. Calvin writes, "The only equine animal God owns is a white horse," I'll believe the only equine animal God owns is a black horse, and not a white horse, zebra, donkey, nor ass.

However, I doubt Calvin or any writer would have contradicted a blatant statement of fact like that. Where contradictions are likely to be found is in areas where interpretation is needed. Not whether God's horse is black or white, but what it means theologically for God to have a white horse (or a black horse, or whatever).
 
However, I doubt Calvin or any writer would have contradicted a blatant statement of fact like that. Where contradictions are likely to be found is in areas where interpretation is needed. Not whether God's horse is black or white, but what it means theologically for God to have a white horse (or a black horse, or whatever).

Okay, but in the case at hand I was discussing with @airclean33 a rather clear matter - whether the Bible does or does not speak against the doctrine that (after the fall of humanity) all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory.
 
All fall short of the glory of God. I believe this means that God will not allow any but the redeemed to be in his presence, and so babies, too, need the Savior. Can you provide chapter and verse that says otherwise?
What kind of sin do babies commit jae? Would it be crying too much or pooping in their diapers? As for Hell it wouldn't be so bad without babies and all those stinky diapers smelling the joint up.;) So of course babies and kiddies need to have access to Hell or else all those grown ups might think their on vocation down there.:ROFLMAO:
 
What kind of sin do babies commit jae? Would it be crying too much or pooping in their diapers? As for Hell it wouldn't be so bad without babies and all those stinky diapers smelling the joint up.;) So of course babies and kiddies need to have access to Hell or else all those grown ups might think their on vocation down there.:ROFLMAO:
Babies are under the curse of original sin dreamerman. We're all born that way.
 
Babies are under the curse of original sin dreamerman. We're all born that way.
Well maybe you were born under that curse but I don't think everyone has to share your burden. Some of us were born under the curse of too much beauty but I wouldn't want to burden everyone with it.:cool:
 
Well maybe you were born under that curse but I don't think everyone has to share your burden. Some of us were born under the curse of too much beauty but I wouldn't want to burden everyone with it.:cool:
Do you believe people were born inherently good?
 
Well maybe you were born under that curse but I don't think everyone has to share your burden. Some of us were born under the curse of too much beauty but I wouldn't want to burden everyone with it.:cool:

I will take some if you are sharing. :sneaky: Always glad to help a friend take a load off.:cool:

Okay, but in the case at hand I was discussing with @airclean33 a rather clear matter - whether the Bible does or does not speak against the doctrine that (after the fall of humanity) all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory.

Fair enough. Though I am sure that someone, somewhere disagrees with that interpretation or at least with how it applies and works in the world. Even I accept that humans are fallible in the moral and spiritual spheres, I just don't trace that to some event or divine curse. I see it as the tension between our more instinctive, self preserving animal side, our egotistical self focussed side, and the rational, compassionate side that should rightly keep the other two in check.
 
Mendalla I don't think you want any of the beauty I have. Think Shrek ogre beauty.:eek: I keep my beauty on the inside.:whistle: Well sometimes anyway.
 
Do you believe people were born inherently good?
People have their problems but only in ignorance do we sin.

Religion has become so obsessed with our "sinful nature" that it has forgot about our own divinity. Thank Christ for a light in the dark.
 
People have their problems but only in ignorance do we sin.

Religion has become so obsessed with our "sinful nature" that it has forgot about our own divinity. Thank Christ for a light in the dark.

Thus the great demi urge to care not about knowing ... leads to cognizant dissonance ... that other chaos! Is naïveté high on the appeals stage? Are children taught not to relate ... to support competition ... this can go on and on without rest ...in extremes of logos ... war?

Kind of a heavenly collapse ... fallout as a flaw above?
 
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Babies are under the curse of original sin dreamerman. We're all born that way.
Airclean-- Yes Jae I agree all are born in sinful flesh.
Rom 8:3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

The man Jesus , had to learn. So The Spirit of The Messiah was teaching Him through life. As He Himself said . I do only what the father tells me.
I truly Believe GOD has the power to do what He wants. As said in the last scripture , I sent you. HE is a GOD of LOVE. The Jews believe that a child has no sin put on them . Till they become of age of understanding 12-13. I agree, Many think Human kind are but animal decedents. A animal acts on instinct.
I believe a Humankind has come from GOD, and is capable of much, much more. When I was a child" , I acted as a( child"). Now I have grow up. It is time" I put away Childish things. and when Jesus was twelve He went to the temple" to teach" of His Heavily Father".
 
Airclean-- Yes Jae I agree all are born in sinful flesh.
Rom 8:3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

The man Jesus , had to learn. So The Spirit of The Messiah was teaching Him through life. As He Himself said . I do only what the father tells me.
I truly Believe GOD has the power to do what He wants. As said in the last scripture , I sent you. HE is a GOD of LOVE. The Jews believe that a child has no sin put on them . Till they become of age of understanding 12-13. I agree, Many think Human kind are but animal decedents. A animal acts on instinct.
I believe a Humankind has come from GOD, and is capable of much, much more. When I was a child" , I acted as a( child"). Now I have grow up. It is time" I put away Childish things. and when Jesus was twelve He went to the temple" to teach" of His Heavily Father".

Are you saying that god's children should learn and then some stoics have simply confined themselves in one directive and not sense of all the other directions?

Some medium should be required to separate the chaotic rush encountered as love alone without a par 've clues (Q'luçe)? Some might related mother of Jesus and grandmother of god as the same mate to the wind called Maria ... an accrued singularity about all people as Ephraim of sole? (that's an old word for complex singularity ... resembles the women in my life ... nothing simple there). Maybe I've struck on the cause of powerful ranting men denying women? Anyone know McPherson's Rant?

It's in Voices United ... but perhaps this is something else virtually unknown ...
 
This is how I view ---the age of accountability

I agree we are all born with a sin nature but we are not born with sin committed ----- here is the thing ------this is what God says ------verse 39 says this -----Your children, who are still too young to know right from wrong, will enter the land—the children you said would be seized by your enemies. I will give the land to them, and they will occupy it.40 But as for you people, turn around and go back into the desert on the road to the Gulf of Aqaba.’

Deuteronomy 1---this is the whole verse
TheLordPunishes Israel(G)

34 (H)“The Lord heard your complaints and became angry, and so he solemnly declared,35 ‘Not one of you from this evil generation will enter the fertile land that I promised to give your ancestors.36 Only Caleb son of Jephunneh will enter it. He has remained faithful to me, and I will give him and his descendants the land that he has explored.’37 Because of you theLordalso became angry with me and said, ‘Not even you, Moses, will enter the land.38 But strengthen the determination of your helper, Joshua son of Nun. He will lead Israel to occupy the land.’
39 “Then the Lord said to all of us, ‘Your children, who are still too young to know right from wrong, will enter the land—the children you said would be seized by your enemies. I will give the land to them, and they will occupy it.40 But as for you people, turn around and go back into the desert on the road to the Gulf of Aqaba.’
41 “You replied, ‘Moses, we have sinned against theLord. But now we will attack, just as the Lord our God commanded us.’ Then each one of you got ready to fight, thinking it would be easy to invade the hill country.
42 “But theLordsaid to me, ‘Warn them not to attack, for I will not be with them, and their enemies will defeat them.’43 I told you what theLordhad said, but you paid no attention. You rebelled against him, and in your pride you marched into the hill country.44 Then the Amorites who lived in those hills came out against you like a swarm of bees. They chased you as far as Hormah and defeated you there in the hill country of Edom.45 So you cried out to the Lord for help, but he would not listen to you or pay any attention to you.


So it seems to me that God shows His Mercy where the child is not aware of right and wrong --------good and evil ------we are born with the nature to sin but we have to be aware of right and wrong actions -----

1Peter 2 scripture below ----So here we see newborn babies described as pure -----it doesn't mean they are not fallen ---it to me means that are sinless in their actions -----you cannot commit a sin where there is no law ----- babies and young children have no knowledge of laws and obeying them -----it is iniquity that is passed on ---the sin nature not the sin the parent or ancestor did but the Character of the sin ------we are innocent until we act ----Cain killed his brother --God didn't charge him with sin as there was no Law against murder -----God wasn't pleased about his actions but no transgression was committed and God protected him -------

The Living Stone and the Holy Nation
2 Rid yourselves, then, of all evil; no more lying or hypocrisy or jealousy or insulting language.2 Be like newborn babies, always thirsty for the pure spiritual milk, so that by drinking it you may grow up and be saved.


Paul made and unusual statement in Romans 7 that he was alive once without The Law ---was he referring to his infancy ??????

Rom 7:9…For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


Babies and young children because of their lack of knowledge I believe are deemed innocent ---innocence is lost when guilt is acknowledged through enlightenment to God -----accountability comes not by age in my view but by knowledge of God and that could be why there is no age given in the Bible ----some believe the age is 12 as that is when Jesus was found in the temple -----some believe it is the age when confirmation happens ---etc ----

It is not how we view the accountability ---it is how God views it ------and regardless what we believe about how we are born ----what matters is how God sees the baby ---infant --young child when they pass on -----we will only continue to speculate ----until we see babies and infants and young children in heaven for ourselves -------Then we will know the real Truth ---
 
That aura of going by the book ... what if some man redacted some of it to suit some royal opinion? Would that cause some humour in the royal court as long as the royal jester didn't appear to laugh at the monarch ... this isn't real possibility is it ... like an in carnate permutation that would cause the royal worries?
 
Are you saying that god's children should learn and then some stoics have simply confined themselves in one directive and not sense of all the other directions?

Some medium should be required to separate the chaotic rush encountered as love alone without a par 've clues (Q'luçe)? Some might related mother of Jesus and grandmother of god as the same mate to the wind called Maria ... an accrued singularity about all people as Ephraim of sole? (that's an old word for complex singularity ... resembles the women in my life ... nothing simple there). Maybe I've struck on the cause of powerful ranting men denying women? Anyone know McPherson's Rant?

It's in Voices United ... but perhaps this is something else virtually unknown ...
--Ya
 
Is God's Love unconditional or are there certain conditions attached to His Love of His Creation -----

Very Short Video -----What are your thoughts on the views of John MaCarthur and R. C. Sproul----- the seriousness of the error of teaching that God's love is unconditional ------

They suggest that Preaching God's Love is Unconditional needs to be changed --------do you agree or disagree


God's Love is NOT "Unconditional"


megaultrawesome thread, @unsafe , top drawer -- food to knock those of us who believe a certain way out of their mental rocker :3
 
megaultrawesome thread, @unsafe , top drawer -- food to knock those of us who believe a certain way out of their mental rocker :3

Is that denied, or exclusive beyond normal ... a deus of a choice if dealing with free BS that southern fundamentalists deny as promotional lift to the I'z ... four bottom lines should one look humbly down? In the squeeze thei 'z pop out ...

God can be rearranged ... but BS is more difficult ... after the passion burns the non-organic thought organ ... it relates to incarnate and tautology (logic as ill taut, or Luce)! Those words bi god should be researched ... they contain some of everything! Something to ponder or mentally process as if soulful?

What is the soul is pickled, preserved or saved ... not to be utilized ? A scheme for authorities benefit? Yet, we remain non-inquisitional ... when some flames should be ignited ... by some primal spark!

One more than the trinity as a triad ... gotta be evil when dealing with trés Gaels ... verily is say! Do wit with virtue ...
 
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