Is God's Love Really Unconditional ? ---

[unsafe]

Is God's Love unconditional or are there certain conditions attached to His Love of His Creation -----

Very Short Video -----What are your thoughts on the views of John MaCarthur and R. C. Sproul----- the seriousness of the error of teaching that God's love is unconditional ------

They suggest that Preaching God's Love is Unconditional needs to be changed --------do you agree or disagree


God's Love is NOT "Unconditional"

 

[blackbelt1961]

John MaCarthur false doctrines

Gods love is unconditional , the cross is a testament to that, would God tell you to love more that God himself can? yet we are told to Love our enemies,. God has respond to this world , His Grace is a testament to His unconditional Love, and By Faith you are saved, Not will be saved, not might be saved, or depending on your works NOOOO, Ye are Saved!

The Bible does not speak of God "having" love as if it is a substance or emotion, that is how MaCathur describes it which is false, the bible teaches that God IS Love, God is the Very Being of Love Itself.

 

[blackbelt1961]

what a bad video , at 2:33 MaCarthur says God doesn't send the sin to hell, he sends the sinner

false teacher the whole bible is about Gods Love

 

[Luce NDs]

Unconditional visits to 'eLLe?

Only for those needing light in a dark space ... that's soul, Mon!

Leads to levitation when one become cognizant that life is a funny thing in the context of eternity ... causes giggles for those seeing beyond the mortal limitations ...

Helps me get through life ... as it does appear a queer thing ...

 

[Jaebius]

what a bad video , at 2:33 MaCarthur says God doesn't send the sin to hell, he sends the sinner

That was actually Sproul.

 

[blackbelt1961]

That was actually Sproul.

so thats who it is?, goes to show how much stock i put in them,

 

[unsafe]

We are sent to Hell for rejecting Jesus the Son ---the one person who can save us from Hell -----and if we reject Jesus the Son we reject God the Father -----

 

[Luce NDs]

Is Jesus ... de light showing through the smoke & mire in the po' flames? Air ... breathe ... the flames need Eire ...

 

[blackbelt1961]

which is also another reason why the Trinity makes sense, The essence of love in existence before the foundation of the world between Father, Son & Holy Spirit

 

[Luce NDs]

In essence a spiritual Eire?

 

[blackbelt1961]

We are sent to Hell for rejecting Jesus the Son ---the one person who can save us from Hell -----and if we reject Jesus the Son we reject God the Father -----

Im sorry I dont believe that , we are not sent to hell By God, we cannot reject that which we do not know , we are already separate , The love and grace of God is like a post sign God saying to Humanity , "Here I am, This way ! " your Going the wrong way!

Thus we put our selves there

 

[Jaebius]

We are sent to Hell for rejecting Jesus the Son ---the one person who can save us from Hell -----and if we reject Jesus the Son we reject God the Father -----

Okay, but that would be us rejecting God.

As for the question of God's love - that we can speak of unconditional love, a greater love than conditional love, suggests that it is the kind of love which God who is greater than we are has.

 

[Luce NDs]

Im sorry I dont believe that , we are not sent to hell By God, we cannot reject that which we do not know , we are already separate , The love and grace of God is like a post sign God saying to Humanity , "Here I am, This way ! " your Going the wrong way!

Thus we put our selves there

The advocate works ... self-supporting failure?

 

[unsafe]

This is just my view -----

-God doesn't send us to Hell ---Sin has been dealt with -----we send ourselves there by not accepting Jesus who is the only one who can keep us from going to Hell -----that is my belief -----So it is not the sin that sends us there-- it is rejecting the offer which was given free to all people to reside in heaven ------The Blood of Jesus which covers all sin for all people -----We have a choice ----we choose our destiny

John 3 GW

A Conversation with Nicodemus

Here is Jesus having a conversation with Nicodemus -----about being born from above -----

3 Jesus replied to Nicodemus, “I can guarantee this truth: No one can see God’s kingdom without being born from above.”

So how do we get born from above ------we accept Jesus -----it is a choice ----Jesus came to save all people ---we have a choice to accept or decline this offer so it is not God who sends us to Hell it is ourselves rejecting the offer to accept -----

Verses 16-21 --- 16 God loved the world this way: He gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.17 God sent his Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but to save the world.18 Those who believe in him won’t be condemned. But those who don’t believe are already condemned because they don’t believe in God’s only Son.

19 This is why people are condemned: The light came into the world. Yet, people loved the dark rather than the light because their actions were evil.20 People who do what is wrong hate the light and don’t come to the light. They don’t want their actions to be exposed.21 But people who do what is true come to the light so that the things they do for God may be clearly seen.

also verses 35-36---35 The Father loves his Son and has put everything in his power.36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, he will see God’s constant anger.”

I personally would take Anger here ---as righteous anger -----Him giving us His Son and we rejecting the gift ------

 

[chansen]

We are sent to Hell for rejecting Jesus the Son ---the one person who can save us from Hell -----and if we reject Jesus the Son we reject God the Father -----

Done and done.

 

[Luce NDs]

This is just my view -----

-God doesn't send us to Hell ---Sin has been dealt with -----we send ourselves there by not accepting Jesus who is the only one who can keep us from going to Hell -----that is my belief -----So it is not the sin that sends us there-- it is rejecting the offer which was given free to all people to reside in heaven ------The Blood of Jesus which covers all sin for all people -----We have a choice ----we choose our destiny

The reason or rationale for wee folks arriving here in the dark and rye states? There are those stoics that believe in love and irrational drives only (blind pas Zions) a singularity in deus of a place that allows two Pans for mental balance ... an Eire thing in Celtic aspiration about ghosts and spiritual up comings ... leading on to de deuce meant for deduction .. a life of immersion in stinky goings on? The inspiration for PEW ... back seat in the church for silent drivers of gossip about love without concern for the thought out process ... yetistill beyond us? Some thing in the history to draw from or druid? All that is left is the primal power of emotion ... driving people to ask what de eL ... or a dell down in GEO Gaia ... nifty vale ... often veiled for mystery ... as people adhering to physical stuff don't care for RIFTs ... too wholly ... the ho-leias laid out! Accounts for the flowers placed round your head in some receiving Pacific Islands ... use caution ... even some missionary sorts got sucked into native sub cultures ... goings on in the dark?

Many people worship not knowing ... metaphorically the unknown or alternate conscience? Subconsciously growing as a dark bloom in idiom (dark word as impressed, inscribed or pressed in relief)?

Talk about shady goings on in the lane ... or eM lain out rye! Saw a young lass in the post office yesterday with nothing on but Jeans and a bra ... and it wasn't that warm out ... did attract some heated response though ... advertising for unknowns and unconscious baiting? Fine thing to observe but ne touche pas ... it could be fragile territory, open to break down ...neurological collapse? What follows that? Nothing ... often the bait falls off the hook Eire ... as the mental and emotional attachments we not as powerful as the physical attractiveness ... creating an ugly incident ... no lasting beauty! Put some thought into 'Ur and she'll known how to close des hell !

 

[BetteTheRed]

If God's love is NOT unconditional, then God isn't even as moral as most parents, who instinctively offer unconditional love to their infants.

If you have been a parent, and loved unconditionally, how/why would you expect less from the god you purport to worship?

What I really, really don't get? This particular brand of orthodox Christianity is all about the "parent" metaphor for god (there's a couple of churches I find myself in rather regularly where the phrase "Father God" is ubiquitous), but then the parent appears to be an abusive one.

 

[chansen]

Because you really like the idea of feeling superior.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Because you really like the idea of feeling superior.

You don't think that sets up a huge cognitive dissonance? Worshipping a Deity to whom you feel morally superior?

 

[Luce NDs]

That's mankind ... hell bent towards superiority and not inclined to lessor stages of supporting the mystery of understanding ... a sublime thingy ... odd attribute of a divined God ... one within and one off there in determinate space ... haute Eire than you can imagine ... dissonance the sounding out 've adepts? Give eM a blast girl watch eM bust out and rant ...

Thus we get the axiom about break a leg ... extends to Ahab who really lost it chasing the white whale as superior stage to an elephant in the hills of Rome ... Hannah Belle Lee? The poetics go on poly misunderstood ...

Comparatively numb in Nous?