Is God's Love Really Unconditional ? ---

[Jaebius]

What I really, really don't get? This particular brand of orthodox Christianity is all about the "parent" metaphor for god (there's a couple of churches I find myself in rather regularly where the phrase "Father God" is ubiquitous), but then the parent appears to be an abusive one.

Are you suggesting that God is an abusive parent Bette?

 

[Luce NDs]

Are physical Gods as patriarchs ... far behind essence-you'll gods in the spiritual paradigm that comes between the physical projections as spatial fallout? God love as a whisper in the winds ... a' bris of a different Hue ... humble-Eire?

Is that a put down for subtlety to support that big Sur ... blue sky country? God the airy metaphor is a wide open field .. and so many words it seems anon ending pilgrimage to unravel the broad-cloth perspective if you can cotton to the lass in blue Jinn's!

Can cool the brass Ayres ... hard nutz ... an axiom to put outlanders in a titter!

 

[BetteTheRed]

Are you suggesting that God is an abusive parent Bette?

I'm suggesting that if you cherry pick fairly randomly, you can identify some pretty psychopathic behaviour both performed by God and/or directed by God.

 

[chansen]

You don't think that sets up a huge cognitive dissonance? Worshipping a Deity to whom you feel morally superior?

No, I think belief in that sort of deity allows you to feel superior to others.

 

[Jaebius]

I'm suggesting that if you cherry pick fairly randomly, you can identify some pretty psychopathic behaviour both performed by God and/or directed by God.

No, I don't think so - and certainly not toward his children.

 

[GordW]

Are you suggesting that God is an abusive parent Bette?

SHe would hardly be the first to make that suggestion. I have more than once heard it made in regards to the theological position that GOd sent Jesus to be executed....

 

[Mendalla]

No, I don't think so - and certainly not toward his children.

So the folks drowned in the Flood or the Canaanites and others who died in the Hebrews' God-sanctioned wars were not God's children even though all trace back to Adam and Eve?

Not that I believe any of that literally, but if you apply the literalist paradigm.

 

[Jaebius]

So the folks drowned in the Flood or the Canaanites and others who died in the Hebrews' God-sanctioned wars were not God's children even though all trace back to Adam and Eve? Not that I believe any of that literally, but if you apply the literalist paradigm.

Yes - I believe that was the case Mendalla - they were not God's children. Of course, my take is that God was not being a psychopath in those situations. I see God as Sovereign King who has every right to judge humanity as best he sees fit.

http://www.gotquestions.org/all-God-children.html

 

[Mendalla]

If he was a human king who claimed the right to judge his neighbours and justified slaughtering them that way, we'd call him a tyrant.

 

[unsafe]

The Bible Message of the Gospels in my view is that God is motivated by Love ---- moved unconditionally to save His Creation from their sins by freely giving His Son to die and take what we rightly deserve for us -so we are free from the wrath that would be brought upon us on Judgement Day-

We have free will to reject God and God allows that rejection to be the person's own choice all the while still Loving His Creation in their rejection of Him ------God's Love initiates so to me that is what makes it unconditional -----If God's Love were conditional we would have to do something to earn it ------God freely gives us common Faith even in our sinful nature ----if Faith is needed to please God and He held Faith back from us --we would somehow have to find a way to get the Faith needed to even please God ------

Jesus laid down His Life for all people -----This surely is the ultimate for showing Unconditional Love -------

A very moving Video ------ see how to love unconditionally from a little girl as you watch the video.

 

[airclean33]

John MaCarthur false doctrines

Gods love is unconditional , the cross is a testament to that, would God tell you to love more that God himself can? yet we are told to Love our enemies,. God has respond to this world , His Grace is a testament to His unconditional Love, and By Faith you are saved, Not will be saved, not might be saved, or depending on your works NOOOO, Ye are Saved!

The Bible does not speak of God "having" love as if it is a substance or emotion, that is how MaCathur describes it which is false, the bible teaches that God IS Love, God is the Very Being of Love Itself.

You need to read through John 3: blackbelt. GOD has taken a step, But He wants you" to take a step, as well. 3: 16 You must believe.

 

[chansen]

Yeah, blackbelt. Read John 3:16 already.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Yeah, blackbelt. Read John 3:16 already.

All these yrs I must have missed it !

 

[Mendalla]

All these yrs I must have missed it !

I always thought it was the name of a football player or something.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is a mortal God a tyrant and an immortal god something else ... differences ... divine in nature but then some people don't believe in an essence you'all God that needs to filter out to good parts to recycle on earth for those that are more attached to real wealth ... causes them to loose soul ... God's mind?

Some one-way Christians can't differentiate ... from foot Ba'aL where the soul is kicked about! It is opposite the capital on the column ... bottom line ... sort of base?

 

[airclean33]

This is just my view -----

-God doesn't send us to Hell ---Sin has been dealt with -----we send ourselves there by not accepting Jesus who is the only one who can keep us from going to Hell -----that is my belief -----So it is not the sin that sends us there-- it is rejecting the offer which was given free to all people to reside in heaven ------The Blood of Jesus which covers all sin for all people -----We have a choice ----we choose our destiny

--Airclean--post-- Hi Luce I don't believe, I have ever seen you post better. Or my belief is truer . I think you got it " right on the head. GOD has given (us) ,the choice.

 

[blackbelt1961]

I always thought it was the name of a football player or something.

Stone Cold

 

[chansen]

This is just my view -----

-God doesn't send us to Hell ---Sin has been dealt with -----we send ourselves there by not accepting Jesus who is the only one who can keep us from going to Hell -----that is my belief -----So it is not the sin that sends us there-- it is rejecting the offer which was given free to all people to reside in heaven ------The Blood of Jesus which covers all sin for all people -----We have a choice ----we choose our destiny

--Airclean--post-- Hi Luce I don't believe, I have ever seen you post better. Or my belief is truer . I think you got it " right on the head. GOD has given (us) ,the choice.

You're agreeing with unsafe, not Luce. Suddenly, not so earth shattering.

 

[Luce NDs]

Sad that so many choose too hate their neighbour if they have diverse wisdom ...

God splatter as a shot in a dark place? The silver bullet formed as shekel ... a ringing in the visceral parts?

 

[Luce NDs]

You're agreeing with unsafe, not Luce. Suddenly, not so earth shattering.

Yah have to crack it a bit to get the hypo form ... subtle-tye? Thus the connecting grows with the second go at it ... Beta?