I feel like the kind of God I believe in has taken an extended vacation.
Invisibility and institutions
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jimkenney12
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Or is exceedingly patient.
Maybe that’s true. On a human level hope and patience are also related.
I also wanted to say that the UN pointed out that, at this point, taking “disability” out of the wording would not help those vulnerable with chronic illnesses to be less at risk - they are included under same disability rights laws that have been ignored regardless of whether they identify as disabled or not.
But the word disability was used as a pivot point for expansion to those who are not dying. It was clear we were being used - it was right to bring it to peoples’ attention. It was a red flag that that would be the agenda. As disability also encompasses mental illness.
Disabled also refers to the impact of social prejudices on an oppressed group and is not simply about a medical condition if that makes more sense as to why the alarm.
Including it in the wording of the law allowed for misrepresentation of disability rights and misapplication of the Charter. It covertly named an entire group of specifically human rights protected people by comparing us with illness and disease.
Doesn’t change your sermon a great deal though, Jim. Thanks for reflecting on this issue more deeply.
I also wanted to say that the UN pointed out that, at this point, taking “disability” out of the wording would not help those vulnerable with chronic illnesses to be less at risk - they are included under same disability rights laws that have been ignored regardless of whether they identify as disabled or not.
But the word disability was used as a pivot point for expansion to those who are not dying. It was clear we were being used - it was right to bring it to peoples’ attention. It was a red flag that that would be the agenda. As disability also encompasses mental illness.
Disabled also refers to the impact of social prejudices on an oppressed group and is not simply about a medical condition if that makes more sense as to why the alarm.
Including it in the wording of the law allowed for misrepresentation of disability rights and misapplication of the Charter. It covertly named an entire group of specifically human rights protected people by comparing us with illness and disease.
Doesn’t change your sermon a great deal though, Jim. Thanks for reflecting on this issue more deeply.
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I think the hardest thing for me - it’s actually physically and emotionally felt as painful to think about - is that the general public has such a low opinion of disabled people that they actually readily assumed on our behalf that by and large we would prefer to die than to live - so they endangered our well being and our progress by granting us the “right” to die - when every disability rights expert and organization that represents disabled people said to the government and courts “no, we don’t want this ‘right’ - it deprioritizes everything we need to live and thrive.” And that the mindset that assumes we must rather die is so immovable it essentially said “oh don’t be silly of course ‘they’ (those subhumans) would rather have the option to die - how could they not?” Even the UN was alarmed but it didn’t change the mindset - and that completely ignores decades and decades of lives and life experiences and our battle to live and be included as equals.
It’s actually been traumatic and diminished mental health among the disabled community - putting us even more at risk - the passage of these laws alone. I feel exhausted and defeated.
It’s actually been traumatic and diminished mental health among the disabled community - putting us even more at risk - the passage of these laws alone. I feel exhausted and defeated.
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An old friend of mind had a favourite saying: the wheels of god grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine.
Why does the mainstream public really believe we wanted that right so badly that they singled us out? It’s because at a visceral level they are disgusted by disability and disabled people, afraid of being in our position and the inconvenience we pose to the status quo. Deep hate not compassion is at the root. It hurts. That is what we suffer the most.
Doesn’t feel that way to me. I never thought in my life that the government would tell me it’s ok if I want to ask my doctor to kill me because I’m disabled and my fellow citizens would support it. So where’s God in looking out for the disadvantaged today?
What estates? If people are choosing MAiD because they can’t afford adequate housing and necessary social and health supports - as Truchon’s case set a precedent for - there are no estate assets to be distributed. We’re talking about people living in poverty with no options. An oppressed population. Also, 70-90% of people with severe mental illness are unemployed. No, the inclusion in MAiD of disabled people who are not dying - and even with Bill C14 for those who were foreseeably but not imminently dying - is about saving costs not delivering monetary inheritances. It wasn’t really about those who had other choices because they had money. They just helped blaze this hell trail. It was more about saving money by the deaths of those who can more easily fall through the cracks and be stuck. It’s very callous. Eugenics by attrition, “too bad so sad”. The govt did a cost benefit analysis and inclusion in MAiD is cheaper than lived inclusion. That’s the ugly truth.
But in the event that families plant suggestions that coerce an elderly person because of inheritance. There is very little to no oversight, weak safeguards, no monthly reviews, and medical info is private. So it would be very hard to prove and a lot of existing systemic apathy to overcome.
It’s really creepy actually.
People have way too much trust in the process and very little skepticism.
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Every single case of a person who died by MAiD while they weren’t actively dying would first have to be acknowledged - which would involve releasing medical records to concerned party which can’t be done or would be very difficult to make happen. Then it would need to go before a judge or some costly system of adjudication to determine if there was an alterior motive (the alterior motive toward poor people is in the law itself - it’s systemic coercion - and so nobody is adjudicating those cases fyi ). Not going to happen. And if they would allocate money for that why not scrap MAiD for the non-dying since it’s a breach of our human rights anyway and dedicate that money to the support people need to live?
I’m tired of constantly being up against those defending how to prioritize keeping something that is a breach of international law as if it’s still a “both sides” argument. There is no justice as long as it’s still a “both sides” argument.
The argument needs to be directed at the govt for allowing this to happen and how they will apologize and make it right.
I’m tired of constantly being up against those defending how to prioritize keeping something that is a breach of international law as if it’s still a “both sides” argument. There is no justice as long as it’s still a “both sides” argument.
The argument needs to be directed at the govt for allowing this to happen and how they will apologize and make it right.
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5.5 million Canadians have a mental illness. 15% of those with substance use disorders have co-occurring mental illness (I think the real number might actually be higher these days), 23-67% of homeless people have mental illness. 20-50% of the homeless population in major cities are Indigenous even though they make up .5% of the general population. Indigenous people have 3X higher rate of suicide than the general population. 70-90% of people who have a severe mental illness are unemployed (and it goes without saying that most unemployed people are poor). The risks of MAiD expansion are huge. There is an agenda and it’s not compassionate.
Supporters of this expansion and the govt have a lot to answer for. How selfish and callous to put so many vulnerable people at risk. Many people will die.
To paraphrase a quote I read from a psychiatrist “There may be someone out there with an incurable mental illness that can’t improve but I deplore you to prove to me that it’s the person in front of you.”
Supporters of this expansion and the govt have a lot to answer for. How selfish and callous to put so many vulnerable people at risk. Many people will die.
To paraphrase a quote I read from a psychiatrist “There may be someone out there with an incurable mental illness that can’t improve but I deplore you to prove to me that it’s the person in front of you.”
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*Implore ( but I personally deplore those trying to prove that the person in front of them can’t improve with proper support. Trying to prove that is callous and ignorant - I think that’s the point of what he was saying.)
Thus fine ends or Ste Fanny as it follows that there may really be a sleepy hollow as the US dries up ... soil shrinks!
There are some that see alien icons but deny them ... as the idealism of naivete takes over ... so dictated by those of blind nature to the signs!
The populace believes in the damn*st unbelievable things from the basically un read! Baffling hinderances ...
He/She is working through you Kimmio and you're doing an amazing job. Thankyou.
jimkenney12
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Kimmio I will remove your identifying information.
My comment about estates was to protect some other vulnerable people. Mendalla's comment about family members needing the assets ignores the reality that people can give stuff to their children while they are alive.
My comment about estates was to protect some other vulnerable people. Mendalla's comment about family members needing the assets ignores the reality that people can give stuff to their children while they are alive.
I have a question for you. If the mentally I'll all had a place to live and no one was homeless, what would keep someone from viewing that house or apartment as just a box or another prison? It doesnt seem like an hour or two of counselling each week ( if that was even possible) would be enough human contact to nurture someone's inherent need for love. How should that be dealt with? Because I think that part may be missing in the solution? A hug, a shoulder to cry on, etc....
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Unless they need them while they are alive. Forcing assets into a government trust solves nothing, IMHO, and likely would not survive a constitutional challenge. It needs to be a court decision based on the merits of each specific case, not a blanket political one, which was my actual suggestion.
Yes. People need love, support - but if life is consumed by housing instability it’s hard to maintain relationships. It’s a maslow’s hierarchy thing. And really, if I had no place to sleep and someone with means to help just offered me a hug - that might not be the nice thing they think it is.
Homes and hugs. And counselling. And other activities. A person needs things to look forward to. But they need a place to sleep first.
I have plenty of days when I’m happier without human contact. Or little of it. A ten minute chat with a neighbour is enough social time, often. Just being honest. When I was younger I needed to see friends everyday. Now I don’t. Sometimes when humans don’t understand your problems it’s better to just not talk to them because it’s tiring. Not everybody wants people around all the time they just want to know someone has their back in a crisis. Sometimes that’s more a loving thing than anything. To give space and solitude. And you’ll have their back - an unspoken mutual trust. But yeah we all need to have human contact sometimes. That said, lots of people managed through Covid. Some people still are. Sometimes it was a relief not to have to see some people much 
I mean…for real…wasn’t it a relief sometimes? And then, on the other hand it also made the overall mental health situation worse.
I mean…for real…wasn’t it a relief sometimes? And then, on the other hand it also made the overall mental health situation worse.
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Does this fringe on the concept of anonymity or isolationism reversed? Few can look at such information from both ends of the measure ... Demeter stick as related to Apollo and Adoni ... different words for the unseen mystery for differing times to stun the paradigm (considered by some as the norm or average) yet a sliding scale ...
I've been told the medium does not exist so as to support black and white concepts that ignore the red and yellow (these may symbolize blood-hunger and other ... thus psssst'd ... be silent when creeping up (Good Will Hunting)?
Imagine there could be an excess of bad Will under the Christian Son ... then all those weird and alien interpretations of myth, story and legend created to avoid literal -ism! The point of the medium is moving as a thinking medium ... despised by the well established!
Jah ... I know I am proud of being beyond what' sin humanity! It is said that bees and wasps have hive mentality ... and human's have Mob, or Mop mentality to make them wish to clean up on profiting at a great rate ... just for self limitation given they don't know better! Imagine this naivete within ...
A dose of hive stings ... a dose of inhumanity goes unnoticed ... the power of denial succeeds, leading us to wonder about the drive towards unknown! Does the unknown consume one's thoughts as fear erupts?
Its a stinger ...
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Thank you. But in all this these years since fears about it have been apparent, I don’t feel like I’ve reached enough people fast enough. Even though I bring it up with somebody everyday.He/She is working through you Kimmio and you're doing an amazing job. Thankyou.