Interventionist God or Non Interventionist God?

[Luce NDs]

Can earthy gods intervene for the great desire to hold controlling power (avarice) and induce torture?

Is this a Christian derivation as an alternate of the Amos' thing about justice, mercy, and humility? Comes after the hubris and the crack in the Geneva Convention .. a roué broken by many brutes (physical, mental and emotional). Is spiritual in polity an extreme emotion?

Omega'd and this going on right under out rite Tous sol ... underlying bruits invading the partisan subtle thoughts? Happens in waves ... when encountering gut wrenching hostilities by the less calm psyches ... these may approach pathological and be numb tuit ... thus unseen satyrs and metaphors ...

Leaves room for Shivas, chi vast and larger doubts in the dark and shades of a' freak NG outland! Abstract island as that of Mann offshore Ireland and connected by d' evils cause why/way?

An Image of The Illegal comes to mind ... mind being an imaginary organ where the phantom plays ... tah, tah de tah!

Fete steps on the ðin roof? Chaos prevails ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Is chaos predetermination of naute knowing navigation of the Shadowy Zae of light? Carry some levity when progressing into the determined to be unknowing ... the tree of knowledge and wisdom being evil ... theo Sophistic? That's a separate god ... out there according to Webster, Johnson, etc. de Lexis? Is a diction aria ... a literary device generally unknown ...

Wha' de eLLe! If condemned ... should one be Putin some rush intuit .. tres vite? That which supports the POTUS/Jaerd? I can scarcely contain myself ... thus the drippy running over ... something of the odd grail ... tild ded towards Cest fini ... NDs?

Poetic if you can't answer the test: "Myson, what did you learn out there?"

 

[airclean33]

All this talk about Vosper is kind of sickening . The filth you of the UNC have allowed into your church. Some here who I know believe in GOD, who turn around and say they don't believe in GODS Word The Bible. That to me , is just crazy. I give you this from GODS Word. I believe it applies to Vosper, and her church.This dose not mean I hate Vosper or those that follow her. I hope and pray they see the light and come out of the DARKNESS into the LIGHT.

6:14Do not be mismated with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and iniquity? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

2Co 6:15What accord has Christ with Be'lial? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

2Co 6:16What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will live in them and move among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Co 6:17Therefore come out from them, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean; then I will welcome you,

2Co 6:18and I will be a father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

 

[GeoFee]

Shall we just talk about the Christianity and leave the other religions for later, it's holy book is an incitement to violence, and if it is the word of god as so many believe, then it is being deployed for nefarious purposes by said god.

Hi Pavlos....

A quick survey of anthropological insight concerning religion will show that it is ubiquitous in human experience. Every human culture that has an extended history makes manifest story, song and symbolic action by which that culture has been shaped and preserved. Religion serves as the means for social cohesion. As with all other social structures religion may be employed to serve nefarious purpose.

I agree that the Christian holy book, in the company of other holy books, has been employed as an incitement to violence. I do not agree that the Christian holy book is the word of God. It is simply a narrative historical record of diverse peoples, in diverse locations, struggling with the issue of survival and flourishing. As such it must be critically engaged to distinguish between what helps and what hinders our common hope for human survival and flourishing.

Do you accept that any human society must have a clear sense of shared meaning and purpose if it is to survive and flourish?

George

 

[dreamerman]

All this talk about Vosper is kind of sickening . The filth you of the UNC have allowed into your church. Some here who I know believe in GOD, who turn around and say they don't believe in GODS Word The Bible. That to me , is just crazy. I give you this from GODS Word. I believe it applies to Vosper, and her church.This dose not mean I hate Vosper or those that follow her. I hope and pray they see the light and come out of the DARKNESS into the LIGHT.

6:14Do not be mismated with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and iniquity? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

2Co 6:15What accord has Christ with Be'lial? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

2Co 6:16What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will live in them and move among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Co 6:17Therefore come out from them, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean; then I will welcome you,

2Co 6:18and I will be a father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

You just called someone filth and in the same breath you say you don't hate them? I would not want to see what you would do or say to the person you hate.

 

[Pavlos Maros]

A quick survey of anthropological insight concerning religion will show that it is ubiquitous in human experience.

Only if you mean it is an occurrence that leaves an impression on someone. Not that it's a fact.

Every human culture that has an extended history makes manifest story, song and symbolic action by which that culture has been shaped and preserved.

Yes by religion.

Religion serves as the means for social cohesion.

No control.

As with all other social structures religion may be employed to serve nefarious purpose.

Not all social structures, some maybe. But with religion, it is used to control. Nefarious purpose comes hand in hand with that.

I agree that the Christian holy book, in the company of other holy books, has been employed as an incitement to violence.

It isn't simply employed as such. It is an incitement.

I do not agree that the Christian holy book is the word of God.

Neither do I, it could not possibly be.

It is simply a narrative historical record of diverse peoples, in diverse locations, struggling with the issue of survival and flourishing.

I wouldn't say it is an historical record, if that were true you could say the same of "a thousand and one nights" etc.. or any ancient book. It is only historical, in that it is an old book. But the stories therein are just stories. And please don't come back with they have a lot of good within, so does Aesops fables etc..

As such it must be critically engaged to distinguish between what helps and what hinders our common hope for human survival and flourishing.

However we could use any books of fiction for that. if we wanted to live our lives in a fantasy.

Do you accept that any human society must have a clear sense of shared meaning and purpose if it is to survive and flourish?

Not any society, but all humanity. As one society. Having different groups with different ideas on survival meaning and purpose is counter productive.

 

[airclean33]

You just called someone filth and in the same breath you say you don't hate them? I would not want to see what you would do or say to the person you hate.

--Hi Dreamerman-- I thought long and hard before I post as I did. There are many U.C.C here. As far as Vosper goes . We who are saved came in from that same darkness. The GOD I follow don't love me , any more than He Loves Vosper. Her and her church have a right to chose . As do you dreamerman. We are all made by the same cookie cuter, If you chose to rob banks, I would not go with you. Dose this mean I hate you? I would think it would be more hateful to stand by and watch you hurt your self" and others as well.

 

[GeoFee]

"Having different groups with different ideas on survival meaning and purpose is counter productive." Pavlos

Wonderful. We have found a small bit of common ground.

It seems to follow that we have a common concern for the well being of the water and air. This concern ought to regulate our behaviour specific to any action having outcomes affecting water and air. Such regulation will require dedicated means to maintain a code of conduct rooted in a basic attitude of respect. Ideally such regulation will be freely chosen and practiced. Even a superficial reading of history will show that coercive means work against and not for our evolution as a as species.

Do you agree that no advantage follows where ideas serve to divide human being into competing factions?

Thinking of that let me consider your statement: "Yes by religion."

Are you suggesting that the concept religion motivated persons and communities to tell stories, sing songs and express symbolic actions?

George

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Do you accept that any human society must have a clear sense of shared meaning and purpose if it is to survive and flourish?

Not any society, but all humanity. As one society. Having different groups with different ideas on survival meaning and purpose is counter productive"

Pavlos

Wonderful. We have found a small bit of common ground.

There fixed it for you. Note the bold (Don't quote mine, use the entire quote. it is misleading.) And not quite, not when you read the entire quote.

It seems to follow that we have a common concern for the well being of the water and air.

Anybody that doesn't must be an imbecile. Or a religious zealot that wants to bring about armageddon.

This concern ought to regulate our behaviour specific to any action having outcomes affecting water and air. Such regulation will require dedicated means to maintain a code of conduct rooted in a basic attitude of respect. Ideally such regulation will be freely chosen and practiced.

You've lost me, this makes no sense. Destroying water and air, has equal effect on the victim and the perpetrator.

Even a superficial reading of history will show that coercive means work against and not for our evolution as a as species.

Hence why it is a sorry history of religion.

Do you agree that no advantage follows where ideas serve to divide human being into competing factions?

Truly, it would be in humanities best interest to eradicate religion and religious ideals.

Thinking of that let me consider your statement: "Yes by religion."

Are you suggesting that the concept religion motivated persons and communities to tell stories, sing songs and express symbolic actions?

No not motivated, inculcated, indoctrinated, forced, brainwashed. Never motivated. Although to the victim of brainwashing, etc. He/she will think it is motivational. it would be pretty useless brainwashing if they knew they had been brainwashed wouldn't it.
Stockholm syndrome comes to mind.

 

[Luce NDs]

All this talk about Vosper is kind of sickening . The filth you of the UNC have allowed into your church. Some here who I know believe in GOD, who turn around and say they don't believe in GODS Word The Bible. That to me , is just crazy. I give you this from GODS Word. I believe it applies to Vosper, and her church.This dose not mean I hate Vosper or those that follow her. I hope and pray they see the light and come out of the DARKNESS into the LIGHT.

6:14Do not be mismated with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and iniquity? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

2Co 6:15What accord has Christ with Be'lial? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

2Co 6:16What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will live in them and move among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Co 6:17Therefore come out from them, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean; then I will welcome you,

2Co 6:18and I will be a father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

Is Gods word just another world in the devilish eternal stuff that the overly emotional cannot resolve in the conflicts of their intelligence that leave them with irresolvable fears, angers and hates? Thank God this fire has another's IDe tuit! Achur, or aç*hare of ache ... Teresa 've Avalon, the overly comfortable will not stretch to know anything of the eternal that's out there ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Hi Pavlos....

A quick survey of anthropological insight concerning religion will show that it is ubiquitous in human experience. Every human culture that has an extended history makes manifest story, song and symbolic action by which that culture has been shaped and preserved. Religion serves as the means for social cohesion. As with all other social structures religion may be employed to serve nefarious purpose.

I agree that the Christian holy book, in the company of other holy books, has been employed as an incitement to violence. I do not agree that the Christian holy book is the word of God. It is simply a narrative historical record of diverse peoples, in diverse locations, struggling with the issue of survival and flourishing. As such it must be critically engaged to distinguish between what helps and what hinders our common hope for human survival and flourishing.

Do you accept that any human society must have a clear sense of shared meaning and purpose if it is to survive and flourish?

George

Ubiquitous; a manifest, incarnate urge to reach out into the eternal surroundings to experience knowledge of God as thinly spread to suit the paradigm of mankind that "would rather not know God" (as everything he doesn't know). Is that the opposing side of staid and true according to status quo about the crisis of Great Escape from sol ... an abstract, imaginary zone as hangup between black and white? eternal surroundings ... does this relate to a hu-edge environment that could turn on mortals?

To the ultimate conservative should this be ignored as contrary to thoughts about hard places; metaphorical elimination as Skye Piscine ... and aria hooks, Muse 'Que sometimes gets me but as Cohen stated ... there are contraries that like the strange lyre IHX in po' ethics ... that hole dug for the post (Newton's 4th coming law on gravitas)? There are depressive myths about confinement and building fences ... lighter motes as meted out as floaters on Eire, Breh-dan-Shole! Where the mole es' Q deales out that hidden shock as in that Painting by Botticelli in Italia ...

Many of the status quo shut out Dante from his passion for iconography ... word images ... Pix? Some get nun ...

 

[dreamerman]

--Hi Dreamerman-- I thought long and hard before I post as I did. There are many U.C.C here. As far as Vosper goes . We who are saved came in from that same darkness. The GOD I follow don't love me , any more than He Loves Vosper. Her and her church have a right to chose . As do you dreamerman. We are all made by the same cookie cuter, If you chose to rob banks, I would not go with you. Dose this mean I hate you? I would think it would be more hateful to stand by and watch you hurt your self" and others as well.

Thanks for letting me know I have a choice aircleen. Sometimes I forget I have a choice. I am not impressed in the least at the god you choose to worship so I say no thank you to that choice.

I am glad you won't rob a bank. I also choose not to rob a bank go figure eh. Anyway we seldom agree on religious matters but I won't call your beliefs filth. Potentially dangerous maybe.

 

[chansen]

I think of airclean's beliefs as unsafe.

 

[Waterfall]

To the atheists, just out of curiousity, do you find less fundamentalist believers in God less threatening? Is a belief in God more acceptable and understandable when it's closer to secularism and doesn't include the supernatural? Just trying to understand.

 

[Luce NDs]

I think of airclean's beliefs as unsafe.

Word plying nonsense or just nun in the regards (observation) of metaphor in god plae? That's de Ramah a habit in repletion of cycles for those that don't get out much ... habitual restrictions? Dark, Jets of Rahab ... the ghost inde Wahl ... many hoots ... perhaps toute la monde? Is the earth a baffling barrier to the inquisitive ? The Greater Wall that defies the house of cards ... some have no power of regarding the mind as part of an abstract solution ... thus the enigma goest on ... sort of common to flighty winds pneuma's ...

 

[airclean33]

I think of airclean's beliefs as unsafe.

As I also believe your a Dreamer--Man

 

[Luce NDs]

As I also believe your a Dreamer--Man

A great Republican attitude in wall building with gods alternate thoughts ... then hoo said the status quo institutionalized sol can get beyond mortal entrainment? Open topped in tents (ankh) as shields to observe what's out there as piece of mind beyond those that have nun ... the Trump card building to what ... unstable heights ... thus hoes ... where Runes of Semitic cognizance find inner piece ... when you are aware of the shafts of alternate ergs! Conflicting energy to those dark clouds of fear ... fuzzy lambs or black sheets of reins with blinders ... string pluck Ayres?

 

[GeoFee]

Hi Pavlos,

Very generous of you to persist.

"All humanity must have a clear sense of shared meaning and purpose if it is to survive and flourish?"

I take it that shared meaning and purpose is essential if we are to stand in a right relationship with the air and water, a right relationship with our own biological being. My experience with history indicates that the problem facing human being, you and I, is the failure to achieve shared meaning and purpose. You seem to recognize this problem and offer a solution, "Truly, it would be in humanities best interest to eradicate religion and religious ideals."

This seems to present the non religious thinker/actor as superior and the religious thinker/actor as inferior. Further, it seems to imply that your non religious disposition opens to the possibility of eradication for those who disagree with you. This seems quite like many accounts taken from the Bible. In the earliest documents there is a persistent inclination to consider difference as offensive. This inclination has been carried forward into our own time.

You are aware that some religious folk look with great excitement to the day in which God will eradicate those who hold any opinion or express any action not conformed to their religious understanding. Noticing this, fully aware that I may be missing something, it seems your desire for the eradication of those who you do not agree with is not all that different.

George

 

[Pavlos Maros]

To the atheists, just out of curiousity, do you find less fundamentalist believers in God less threatening?

To me there are no "less fundamentalists". If they believe they are doing it for the right reasons, they will do unthinkable things.

Is a belief in God more acceptable and understandable when it's closer to secularism and doesn't include the supernatural?

No. It still remains just as dangerous. See previous answer.

 

[BetteTheRed]

To me there are no "less fundamentalists". If they believe they are doing it for the right reasons, they will do unthinkable things.

You'll need to unpack this. Right now, I think it's saying that every person who subscribes to any religion has the capacity for the greatest of evil. (But that's assuming that I've guessed right about who the various "they"s are for a start.)

I cannot see the correlation between the two categories. It's analogous to saying that all people who like to watch pink bunnies on television also eat peanut butter.

No. It still remains just as dangerous. See previous answer.

I be trying.