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RevJohn, I am interested by your comment regarding genetic markers.

I remember, a long time ago, a study on autism in geographical areas, such as Mountain View, California where you have a high rate of people who are tech-geeks. There was some suggestions that the tech-geeks marrying had a higher probability of children with autism. Do you in your reading of the material or study, know if there every was a correlation identified?

It stuck in my head in part because of a relationship that I was in both due to circumstances in life, as well as those that I know. I tried to see if I could find any references to it, but was unable to.
 
My husband saw this on the net yesterday: "want to get people to vaccinate - tell them measles has gluten in it" (apologies to people who have Celiac's disease or are genuinely allergic to gluten)
 
Pinga said:
I remember, a long time ago, a study on autism in geographical areas, such as Mountain View, California where you have a high rate of people who are tech-geeks. There was some suggestions that the tech-geeks marrying had a higher probability of children with autism. Do you in your reading of the material or study, know if there every was a correlation identified?
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The genetic fingerprint of Autism has been identified and genetics are recognized as the principle causal factor of Autism. It is something you are born with. Genetic studies have shown that the heritability of Autism is similar to the heritability of any genetic factor. What we don't know at present is what are the dominant and recessive factors of this particular sequence. So predictability is still being determined.

Tech-geeks are not tech-geeks because of biology. And if they are we haven't found the genetic markers to technical geekdom yet.

I would not expect that the predisposition towards Autism Spectrum Disorders is predictive based on occupation.

That said, if the parent population within a given industry or geography had a strong genetic predisposition towards Autism then breeding within that given industry or geography most likely increases the probability of off-spring with an ASD diagnosis. I mean, dad has brown hair and brown eyes and mom has brown hair and brown eyes so the odds that the kids are going to have brown hair and brown eyes is pretty high.

The presence of recessive genes will allow blond hair or blue eyes to be manifest without it being too shocking and there will be jokes about the milk-man perhaps but there will not be any real questions asked.
 
Hi Revjohn,

I used the word "tech geeks" ...coz I couldnt' figure out how to describe. Let me try harder.

At least 2 of the guys that I work with who are in the super technical areas self-identiy as in the autism spectrum. That is higher than in the say, financial , marketing or manufacturing areas that I worked in. They are quite successful in an area that allows them to function with some accomodations for interpersonal. There are a few more who don't self identify; however, others may say there is a similairity in their behaviour. In our place, a typical global company, the accommodation isn't always present. Some managers are less aware/understanding or able to accommodate due to team size. In the one case, the person has moved around until he finally landed in a company big enough to accommodate his gifts....and it is in California.

Now, if you put a lot of people who are successful based on the positive traits of their autism, then you may have a higher rate of people with autism marrying and having children.

(I think that is the gist of what the premise was)
 
Pinga said:
I used the word "tech geeks" ...coz I couldnt' figure out how to describe. Let me try harder.
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I get the premise. It is basic inheritance and the genetic transmission of the Autism gene.

Pinga said:
At least 2 of the guys that I work with who are in the super technical areas self-identiy as in the autism spectrum.
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Self-identification may or may not be valid but leaving that aside if we have a population of 100 50/50 male to female ratio and no genetic predisposition to Autism in the bunch then the children would not be expected to develop a tendency towards ASD. A population of 100 50/50 male to female where everyone has a genetic predisposition towards ASD then the children would always have a genetic predisposition towards ASD.

Pinga said:
Now, if you put a lot of people who are successful based on the positive traits of their autism, then you may have a higher rate of people with autism marrying and having children.
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I'm sure this phenomenon would have been looked at somewhere. I'm just not familiar with the studies that did this work. Quite frankly it wasn't a concern at the time and has not become a concern. Our daughter's are aware that they have a slightly elevated risk of having children on the Autism Spectrum how elevated? No clue really.
 
The Glenrose Hospital in Edmonton is doing a research study on siblings of autism (it's a great control group as socio economic status, parenting styles, ethnicity etc. all match the subjects) One early outcome of the study was the early identification of a number of the siblings as being on the automatism spectrum. There is a genetic component to autism but it's not the whole cause.
 
hi, revjohn, I probably used the words "self-identify" incorrectly. These are individuals who have shared that they have been diagnosed. (Ie, it isn't that they think they are, but, they have been confirmed as, and have advised their management as such, in the one case, at time of hire)
 
Its so interesting. I get the fear. Parents are freaful of many things

But it is odd that she is trusting of non science, not concerned about dangers of disease and distrustful of science.

Hard to use logic to combat an illogical argument.
 
Can anyone come up with an official study by independent scientists on the effectiveness of the MMR vaccines as opposed to the natural decline that was already occuring? Or any official studies that would have anything negative to say about our vaccine culture?

It is next to impossible to get an official view from the other side without encountering "unofficial sites" or those dominated by pro vaccinators. Balance is hard to find.
 
Lastpointe said:
Its so interesting. I get the fear. Parents are freaful of many things

But it is odd that she is trusting of non science, not concerned about dangers of disease and distrustful of science.

Hard to use logic to combat an illogical argument.
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Well choosing a less than well spoken young woman will win the debate everytime. Why didn't they invite the equivalent of "Dr. Paul", only on the other side of the debate?
 
Waterfall said:
Can anyone come up with an official study by independent scientists on the effectiveness of the MMR vaccines as opposed to the natural decline that was already occuring? Or any official studies that would have anything negative to say about our vaccine culture?
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What do you mean by independent scientists?
 
Any study that is not funded by/ Merck or associates......which would include the CDC
 
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As measles continues its ugly comeback, some tensions are running high... here in Canada, there are 6 confirmed cases in the country's largest city, Toronto;

  • One in ten Canadian children is growing up in poverty. In 2014, 36.9% of food bank users were children under the age of 18 (although they make up only 21% of the population).
  • One in FOUR Aboriginal children in Canada is growing up in poverty. In 2014, 13.6% of food bank users were Aboriginal (although they make up only 4% of the population).
  • The Aboriginal population carries a disproportionate burden of nutrition-related illness, including nutritional deficiencies, childhood obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
  • Food insecurity for Aboriginal children (and adults) living on and off-reserve ranges from 21% to 83%, compared to 3% to 9% for non-Aboriginal Canadians.
But ... not to worry ... malnutrition is not nearly as contagious or life threatening as measles ... and I am sure these poor children have been vaccinated against that ... in the event that anyone was planning an all-inclusive vacation to the canadian reservations (bring your own water) as an alternate to the trip you may have had to cancel to Disneyland because of the media/measles scare.
 
Waterfall said:
Can anyone come up with an official study by independent scientists on the effectiveness of the MMR vaccines as opposed to the natural decline that was already occuring? Or any official studies that would have anything negative to say about our vaccine culture?

It is next to impossible to get an official view from the other side without encountering "unofficial sites" or those http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...wIHQBA&usg=AFQjCNH8-gI41S-1E7C-B1zAYTCUMRxLpwdominated by pro vaccinators. Balance is hard to find.
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I found this study on google. It is a long read but it might be what you are looking for or maybe not. Okay that didn't go where I wanted it but hopefully you can still click on it.
 
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