Uh, I said I don't think more needs to be done that isn't already being attempted to stop CP. I said that we need greater equality for people living with conditions like CP. I didn't say don't vaccinate. I was saying, in essence, don't forget there are other priorities.
I don't vaccinate my child because it's my right to determine which diseases come back
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Pinga
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Kimmio, I recommend you reread this post, and the posts related to it.
Why?
chansen
Had a point all along
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Jae, that was an excellent distillation of the main points a few of us have been trying to make. Thank you.
I think we should do what we can to limit them, yeah, but with CP so much is known and is being done - and it is not a disease. And having kids with disabilities is not the end of the world. That's the point I really want to make.
I am not me without my disability - I wouldn't have learned what I've learned - and you know - some people look at disability like any other natural biological process - like being born transgender, or gay or lesbian? Now, there are a lot of parents still horrified to learn that their kids are LGBT but there is also another side to it - because of social change not medical cures. We stopped trying to cure it and changed how we looked at it. It's the same with many disabilities and I think CP is one of them. It's not fatal. It is in very severe cases when someone needs help with basic body functions and is neglected. The neglect is the problem there. Neglect, lack of care about others, is the issue. That's what's dis-abling.
I am not me without my disability - I wouldn't have learned what I've learned - and you know - some people look at disability like any other natural biological process - like being born transgender, or gay or lesbian? Now, there are a lot of parents still horrified to learn that their kids are LGBT but there is also another side to it - because of social change not medical cures. We stopped trying to cure it and changed how we looked at it. It's the same with many disabilities and I think CP is one of them. It's not fatal. It is in very severe cases when someone needs help with basic body functions and is neglected. The neglect is the problem there. Neglect, lack of care about others, is the issue. That's what's dis-abling.
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Nobody wants to look at disability and see that there's something to be learned about how we think of each other and how we treat each other.
revsdd
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Back to vaccinations. Here in Niagara Region we have our first diagnosed case of measles since 1996. A 20 year old woman (unvaccinated, of course) who was recently in Toronto, must have been exposed and brought it back. They've identified everywhere she went and what times she went there - including the Niagara Falls Hospiral and a Niagara Falls Wal-Mart and are telling people who were in those places at the same time to be on the alert for symptoms. But, of course, how many people could have been in those places, been exposed and taken the virus elsewhere? Born in 1963, I'm thinking I was probably vaccinated (no reason I wouldn't have been) but don't know that 100%. My wife is pretty sure she was as well, but also has immune issues, so we wonder. Our daughter most certainly has been vaccinated. Probably twice actually. Once in China as a baby, and then re-vaccination was required when we brought her to Canada, because Canada doesn't trust Chinese vaccination records.
Set aside the discredited pseudo-science and get your kids vaccinated, people. For everybody's sake.
Set aside the discredited pseudo-science and get your kids vaccinated, people. For everybody's sake.
I am glad I have CP. That sounds bizarre to so many but I resent the idea that I shouldn't be.
RitaTG
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My goodness ..... we can get so obsessed with splitting the politically correct hairs that the importance of the real issue gets lost along the way. In my life were I to focus on how politically correct others are I would never get out of bed in the morning.
I go by heart ..... if there was no slight intended then I work hard to take none. Gentle informing and just a carefully bit of that is usually enough to help guide direction. I try to be careful to not make it too much so that the person is not drawn into explaining and defending. Leave it be after the gentle nudge no matter the awkward reply and soon a wonderful bit of change is in the air
I go by heart ..... if there was no slight intended then I work hard to take none. Gentle informing and just a carefully bit of that is usually enough to help guide direction. I try to be careful to not make it too much so that the person is not drawn into explaining and defending. Leave it be after the gentle nudge no matter the awkward reply and soon a wonderful bit of change is in the air
revsdd
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My goodness ..... we can get so obsessed with splitting the politically correct hairs that the importance of the real issue gets lost along the way. In my life were I to focus on how politically correct others are I would never get out of bed in the morning.
I go by heart ..... if there was no slight intended then I work hard to take none. Gentle informing and just a carefully bit of that is usually enough to help guide direction. I try to be careful to not make it too much so that the person is not drawn into explaining and defending. Leave it be after the gentle nudge no matter the awkward reply and soon a wonderful bit of change is in the air
I have found over the years that putting people on the defensive is usually a poor way of achieving the desired outcome.
Not accepted, included, equally. Socially, politically, economically - physically, mentally, spiritually.
RitaTG
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Good point ..... included equally ...... a more detailed version of accepted.....
It's different than "we accept that you exist you can stay...but...it's our world"
RitaTG
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When I read Jae's post it was this more comprehensive version of "accept" that I read into it.
Yes, I think you're probably right. I also think that's what Jae meant - but wanted to clarify or make that distinction because that's not what is always meant.
Tabitha
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Back to vaccinations- I had all the childhood diseases Chicken pox, measles mumps . Not fun.My sisters had them too.
I was vaccinated against polio but the "live" vaccine was too alive. I got polio from it. I was 18 months old and so sick that my mother tells me I couldn't roll over in bed. I have a pretty great recovery. You would not know I had it to meet me. I do have a residual left side weakness. It shows up in precise swim strokes-and I need to concentrate on it more. Currently I'm noticing my left foot having a tendency to turn in and I wonder about post polio syndrome-that's where the over used muscles (due to others being weak) are affected by the greater load they carry and begin to wear out.
As for vaccinations -we need to make it easier for parents to get their kids vaccinated. Easier access-convenient locations, extended hours , and drop ins available. When my kids were young we were attending health clinic weekly for speech therapy. Hours were different than hours for vaccinations, making life with 3 little one, and a shared family car more complicated.
I was vaccinated against polio but the "live" vaccine was too alive. I got polio from it. I was 18 months old and so sick that my mother tells me I couldn't roll over in bed. I have a pretty great recovery. You would not know I had it to meet me. I do have a residual left side weakness. It shows up in precise swim strokes-and I need to concentrate on it more. Currently I'm noticing my left foot having a tendency to turn in and I wonder about post polio syndrome-that's where the over used muscles (due to others being weak) are affected by the greater load they carry and begin to wear out.
As for vaccinations -we need to make it easier for parents to get their kids vaccinated. Easier access-convenient locations, extended hours , and drop ins available. When my kids were young we were attending health clinic weekly for speech therapy. Hours were different than hours for vaccinations, making life with 3 little one, and a shared family car more complicated.
Routine immunization: adults born before 1970 are generally presumed to have acquired natural immunity to measles; however, some of these individuals may be susceptible.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cig-gci/p04-meas-roug-eng.php#ru
Ritafee
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Within the mainstream medical and scientific community there is an unassailable pseudo-truth that vaccines are safe and effective, whether administered individually or in combination.
Within the vaccine injured children and autism movements there is also an unchallenged belief that vaccines are effective but not always safe. In this case, vaccine-injured children or adult family members were simply one of the rare cases where they received a hot lot vaccine or possessed biomolecular abnormalities, such as mitochondria dysfunction, and suffered the consequences. Even many parents with two children developing neurological complications after vaccination, will continue to follow the recommended vaccine schedule.
Any medical physician, scientist, nurse, public health advocate, politician, or journalist who questions the myth of vaccine safety and efficacy are often immediately attacked, ridiculed, and designated a conspirator. In fact, the pro-vaccine propaganda machine sends forth articulate doctors and university scientists to engage in ad hominin personal attacks against vaccine dissenters.
However, what if all of these individuals and their organizations, their shadow lobbying foundations and think tanks, are wrong? What if the vaccine paradigm itself is flawed? What if vaccines have never been soundly confirmed to be safe and effective? What if the CDC, vaccine manufacturers, and the leading vaccine advocates knew of these discrepancies and contradictions, yet intentionally ignored them against the public interests and the well being of the American population?
After several decades of studying the scientific literature regarding vaccines, following the money trails, and interviewing many dozens of toxicologists, immunologists, research physicians, pediatricians, and medical journalists the vaccine paradigm can now be accurately deconstructed with real independent science.
- See more at: http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/did-2...e-vaccine-establishment/#sthash.6rC3Gkrf.dpuf
Within the vaccine injured children and autism movements there is also an unchallenged belief that vaccines are effective but not always safe. In this case, vaccine-injured children or adult family members were simply one of the rare cases where they received a hot lot vaccine or possessed biomolecular abnormalities, such as mitochondria dysfunction, and suffered the consequences. Even many parents with two children developing neurological complications after vaccination, will continue to follow the recommended vaccine schedule.
Any medical physician, scientist, nurse, public health advocate, politician, or journalist who questions the myth of vaccine safety and efficacy are often immediately attacked, ridiculed, and designated a conspirator. In fact, the pro-vaccine propaganda machine sends forth articulate doctors and university scientists to engage in ad hominin personal attacks against vaccine dissenters.
However, what if all of these individuals and their organizations, their shadow lobbying foundations and think tanks, are wrong? What if the vaccine paradigm itself is flawed? What if vaccines have never been soundly confirmed to be safe and effective? What if the CDC, vaccine manufacturers, and the leading vaccine advocates knew of these discrepancies and contradictions, yet intentionally ignored them against the public interests and the well being of the American population?
After several decades of studying the scientific literature regarding vaccines, following the money trails, and interviewing many dozens of toxicologists, immunologists, research physicians, pediatricians, and medical journalists the vaccine paradigm can now be accurately deconstructed with real independent science.
- See more at: http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/did-2...e-vaccine-establishment/#sthash.6rC3Gkrf.dpuf
BetteTheRed
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Absolutely, check out that web site. Full of medical-type advice. Go look at the contributors. The first one (CEO, writes articles in all categories), has a B.A. from the Moody Bible Institute (and an MA in Applied Linguistics).
It doesn't get better. Not an MD in the bunch.
It doesn't get better. Not an MD in the bunch.